Traffic court

[stunner5000pt]

ok .. here is what happened..

I was going 86 in a 50 zone - the zone had just changed from a 60 and the police office walked into the street and waved me over.

I'm fighting this tommorrow. - give me some tips people...

at what time did you get caught and what street?

[juiceboxxx]

at what time did you get caught and what street?

lawrence & allen rd....

time = i dont know

what does this have to do with anything bro?

[stunner5000pt]

lawrence & allen rd....

time = i dont know

what does this have to do with anything bro?

so that i wont speed the next time im in the area at that ttime

i ahve already amrked some areas that are 'high risk' at certain times of day

for example while on the 400 i ALWAYS drive with cruise control on, or at 110 km/h, if i am driving on it at any time past 8 pm.

[63190]

ok .. here is what happened..

I was going 86 in a 50 zone - the zone had just changed from a 60 and the police office walked into the street and waved me over.

I'm fighting this tommorrow. - give me some tips people...

A fool for a client and nave for a lawyer. You SHOULD have hired your self a lawyer. I always do and always win. I haven't had a ticket go on my record for about five to six years now. It's only $60 USD. There's some other guy who charges $50 in town, don't know any one that's tried him yet though.

[juiceboxxx]

A fool for a client and nave for a lawyer. You SHOULD have hired your self a lawyer. I always do and always win. I haven't had a ticket go on my record for about five to six years now. It's only $60 USD. There's some other guy who charges $50 in town, don't know any one that's tried him yet though.

it always works

[zimmy]

unfortunately i don't know canada's legal systems...but i'm sure they are similar. If it were me... I would have asked the cop to see the gun on the spot...but if you didn't do that , it's ok. There are a bunch of maintenances that are supposed to be done to those guns. They are supposed to be calibrated by x amount of times and they have to have documentation to prove it. I'd request those and when they can't come up with it, they have to dismiss it. Over here, they enver find that sh*t on time. But i'd rather just not go to court personally and would opt for deferred adjudification if i could. In th eUS... it doesn't go on your record if you maintain a guilt free record in the probation time period... (guilt free is the key... you can get another ticket... and get deffferred on that one too... because a defferred is not a verdict of guilty). N e way... like i said... i don't know your laws , but i hope some of that helped.

[zimmy]

btw...if you are wondering why i know so much bout that ... i have a heavy foot... past 5 years.

ZiMmY 34
Traffic courts 1

(i slept in on turning in my paper work after probation on that one so it went on my record)

[OSTIE]

Its different for every state, or country for that matter... but when I got busted for speeding 25mph over...

I saw the judge, he said he would change the charge to "Disobeying traffic signals/officer" which is a lesser charge, ALOT less of a fine... but same points... i took it... it was over a $100 difference, BUT! i should have taken the speeding ticket, because little did i know that insurance companies charge more for a disobeying charge than a speeding ticket.... i realized its all a big ploy...

Ya i saved over a hundred dollars, but when finding insurance for my "Sports" car ( a 98 acura gsr) I ended up payin 80$ more per month than I woulud have if Id had just takin the speeding ticket....

Moral is... before u try to change ur ticket, find out what long term penalities u may face

[BEER WHORE]

fukc the police.....

[Mizfit]

thank u fgor some of your responses..i have my notes.

As per hiring a lawyer Juiceboxx - $1500, which is what a good reputatble one costs to gaurantee a win, seems a bit too much in my eyes, espcially since most people i spoke with have said the cop doesn't always show up. - but u still pay it.

If you search the web you can find alot of ifomration - so we shall see...

[juiceboxxx]

thank u fgor some of your responses..i have my notes.

As per hiring a lawyer Juiceboxx - $1500, which is what a good reputatble one costs to gaurantee a win, seems a bit too much in my eyes, espcially since most people i spoke with have said the cop doesn't always show up. - but u still pay it.

If you search the web you can find alot of ifomration - so we shall see...

well $1500 is way too too much.

I never said pay that much. I said it only cost around $200-400 for a good enough agent. A good enough agent is someone whom will make sure you get 0 points on the 4 point ticket that you recieved will lower your fine and most importantly has connections, buddies, friends etc...( whom are the cops who issued you the ticket)they also know the crown, the judge etc in most cases. Now these connections will give him the help that your agent needs to either get a really good deal for you or completly drop the ticket if he can.

You saying it cost $1500 for them to gurante you a win and cancel your ticket..... well DUHHH.... what you expect?... they have to pay the cops days pay to not attend court then that have to pay the crown and then the agent of yours so there for that $1500 payments go's towards 3 different people who each end up walking away with $500 each so to them "its a okay deal" to satisfy them.. it's not like your paying $1500 all to your agent.

P.S: I'm sure they also give a little piece of the pie to someone working at the minstry of transportation whom is in charge of adding ticket fines to your abstract. So that gurante involves 4 people helping you out...see the picture?

I personally would never get a gurante for a ticket unless its a serious offense such as drinking and driving or racing which have serious charges attached to them if convicted or even jail time. Also for driving without insurance.

once you pay your agent fee of $200-400 like I said over and over again, if the agent is decent (which I told you I can refer you to a good ex cop agent) he will most likly drop your ticket anyway or AT THE LEAST HE WILL TAKE AWAY YOUR POINTS + LOWER YOUR FINE FOR THE TICKET which is something much harder to do by your self. This will save your insurance going sky high.

As for the cop not showing up welll...........20% of the time they wont show up and 80% they will. Meaning by getting an agent your planning ahead already. "Your preparing your self for worse case scenario". Better to pay up a little, be safe rather then sorry.

What if the cop shows up ? then what you going to say to him? "ohh sirr I was hoping you didn't show up"? well guess what no matter what you say more then likly you will lose.......mehhh just trying to help you out..(not like I work for an agent or something)

go with your plan like how my cousin and so many friends did but dont say I didnt told you so when you get 4 points.

I'm not saying if you go to court and give the judge a good excuse that you will loose...though I'm saying you have a way better chance winning with an agent.

[Mizfit]

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/cars/tickets/

CBC MARKETPLACE: YOUR CAR » SPEEDING TICKETS
Wheeling and dealing: Fighting a speeding ticket
Broadcast: January 30, 2005
Scene of cars driving on a road.

Every day across Canada, thousands of motorists are pulled over for speeding.

Every day across Canada, thousands of motorists are pulled over for speeding. Along with the ticket, the offending drivers have options: pay the fine, plead guilty with an explanation, or plead not guilty and ask for a trial.

Most of make the same choice: we pay the fine. After all, if the police nabbed you, chances are there’s not much you can say in your defence: you were speeding.

But it turns out there’s plenty you can do, according to the people who enforce these tickets – both police officers and prosecutors. Those we spoke with say paying the fine shouldn’t automatically be your first move – even if you are caught in the act.

Speeding enforcers like police constable Kent Hagerman wonder why speeders are slow to fight: “Obviously, if people choose to fight their speeding tickets, there’s always a chance that they might win, for whatever reason. So if you have the time … I don’t see why you wouldn’t.”
Dominic Bonomo

Dominic Bonomo makes his living with his wheels, ploughing snow in the winter, landscaping in the summer.

That’s just how Dominic Bonomo sees it. He’s a seasoned driver who makes his living with his wheels, ploughing snow in the winter, landscaping in the summer. “You have nothing to lose,” he says of fighting a ticket. “Take it to court.”

We catch up with Bonomo as he’s heading to court to fight a speeding ticket – his third in a year. Dominic is worried another conviction will drive up his insurance rates.

“I have two trucks, I have a landscaping company. And for those two trucks, insurance-wise, I’m paying $460 a month for both vehicles,” he says. If he loses his ticket fight, he could see his insurance rise to about $1,100 per month.

Bonomo’s strategy is one of the oldest in the books: play peek-a-boo with the police officer who gave him the ticket and hope the officer’s a no-show in court.

“It’s a 50-50 chance really,” he says. “If the officer doesn’t show up, they drop the ticket and it’s like it never happened. So why would you not take that chance, right?”

In the end though, Bonomo’s strategy goes out the window when the officer shows up at court. Bonomo faces being slapped with $135 fine and a three-point demerit hit. But he has one more trick up his sleeve.

“I did cut a deal,” says Bonomo. “I knew it was going to happen before even going to court. I had spoken to the officer... The officer reassured me that it would be reduced.”
An officer points his radar gun at passing traffic.

If a driver is dinged with more than one or two convictions, they’ll likely see their insurance rates jump.

So Bonomo copped a deal. He doesn’t lose and demerit points, and his fine is reduced to $42 from $135. And while the move saved him $90, it doesn’t clear him from the insurance problem since he has another conviction on his record.

Insurance companies don’t care about fines or demerit points. They care about driving convictions on your record. Pleading guilty to a lesser fine, like Bonomo did, is still counted as a conviction – as is the case when motorists just pay the fine.

If a driver is dinged with more than one or two convictions, they’ll likely see their insurance rates jump. But if your record is relatively clean, you might want to try to cut a deal.

The 'first appearance centre'

In Calgary, there’s all kinds of wheeling and dealing going on. Police hand out about 500,000 traffic tickets every year. In 2003, fines skyrocketed, going up an average of 300 per cent. That has Calgary’s drivers in a fighting mood.
Richard Parken

Crown prosecutor Richard Parken helped set up the "First Appearance Centre" system, unique to Alberta and Ontario.

Many of those drivers end up at what’s called a “First Appearance Centre.” Speeders and traffic lawbreakers can make a date with a prosecutor and ask for a deal, or “early resolution” as it's officially called. Nine times out of 10, they’ll get one – with no need to go to court.

“The Crown doesn’t look at this as a deal,” says Richard Parken, the Crown prosecutor who helped set up the system. “But any way you do look at it, that’s what it is.”

First appearance centres, unique to Alberta and Ontario, were created to save regular courts time and costs. “If a person takes the opportunity to plead guilty without putting the court to the necessity of conducting a trial, then that person should be given some consideration in mitigation to his sentence,” explains Parken.

MORE: Interview with Richard Parken »

Parken insists drivers shouldn’t feel guilty about appearing at the centre and trying to get a deal for an offence – even when they’re clearly guilty. “I actually encourage people to do that,” he says. “This is just one avenue by which you can address a problem that you have relating to your driving.”

That said, Parken doesn’t go out of his way to let people know about that: “We don’t advertise in a newspaper or on television or anything...

“It would be a little expensive, for one thing. People who are charged with offences, be they provincial or criminal, are expected to do something about it themselves. If you get a ticket, you make an inquiry."
A truck dashboard.

Don’t automatically reach for your chequebook the next time the long arm of the law points his radar at you.

That inquiry might include calling a paralegal – someone, often a former police officer, who helps speeding motorists fight their tickets. It'll cost you about $300 or $400 for an average ticket, and according to Parken, the average person could do just as good a job:

“The resolution that the paralegal might get from the First Appearance Centre or from the court, if it goes that far, would be no different from a resolution that you could obtain yourself, if you had the time to do it yourself.”

Lesson learned? Don’t automatically reach for your chequebook the next time the long arm of the law points the radar at you.

[juiceboxxx]

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/cars/tickets/

CBC MARKETPLACE: YOUR CAR » SPEEDING TICKETS
Wheeling and dealing: Fighting a speeding ticket
Broadcast: January 30, 2005
Scene of cars driving on a road.

Every day across Canada, thousands of motorists are pulled over for speeding.

Every day across Canada, thousands of motorists are pulled over for speeding. Along with the ticket, the offending drivers have options: pay the fine, plead guilty with an explanation, or plead not guilty and ask for a trial.

Most of make the same choice: we pay the fine. After all, if the police nabbed you, chances are there’s not much you can say in your defence: you were speeding.

But it turns out there’s plenty you can do, according to the people who enforce these tickets – both police officers and prosecutors. Those we spoke with say paying the fine shouldn’t automatically be your first move – even if you are caught in the act.

Speeding enforcers like police constable Kent Hagerman wonder why speeders are slow to fight: “Obviously, if people choose to fight their speeding tickets, there’s always a chance that they might win, for whatever reason. So if you have the time … I don’t see why you wouldn’t.”
Dominic Bonomo

Dominic Bonomo makes his living with his wheels, ploughing snow in the winter, landscaping in the summer.

That’s just how Dominic Bonomo sees it. He’s a seasoned driver who makes his living with his wheels, ploughing snow in the winter, landscaping in the summer. “You have nothing to lose,” he says of fighting a ticket. “Take it to court.”

We catch up with Bonomo as he’s heading to court to fight a speeding ticket – his third in a year. Dominic is worried another conviction will drive up his insurance rates.

“I have two trucks, I have a landscaping company. And for those two trucks, insurance-wise, I’m paying $460 a month for both vehicles,” he says. If he loses his ticket fight, he could see his insurance rise to about $1,100 per month.

Bonomo’s strategy is one of the oldest in the books: play peek-a-boo with the police officer who gave him the ticket and hope the officer’s a no-show in court.

“It’s a 50-50 chance really,” he says. “If the officer doesn’t show up, they drop the ticket and it’s like it never happened. So why would you not take that chance, right?”

In the end though, Bonomo’s strategy goes out the window when the officer shows up at court. Bonomo faces being slapped with $135 fine and a three-point demerit hit. But he has one more trick up his sleeve.

“I did cut a deal,” says Bonomo. “I knew it was going to happen before even going to court. I had spoken to the officer... The officer reassured me that it would be reduced.”
An officer points his radar gun at passing traffic.

If a driver is dinged with more than one or two convictions, they’ll likely see their insurance rates jump.

So Bonomo copped a deal. He doesn’t lose and demerit points, and his fine is reduced to $42 from $135. And while the move saved him $90, it doesn’t clear him from the insurance problem since he has another conviction on his record.

Insurance companies don’t care about fines or demerit points. They care about driving convictions on your record. Pleading guilty to a lesser fine, like Bonomo did, is still counted as a conviction – as is the case when motorists just pay the fine.

If a driver is dinged with more than one or two convictions, they’ll likely see their insurance rates jump. But if your record is relatively clean, you might want to try to cut a deal.

The 'first appearance centre'

In Calgary, there’s all kinds of wheeling and dealing going on. Police hand out about 500,000 traffic tickets every year. In 2003, fines skyrocketed, going up an average of 300 per cent. That has Calgary’s drivers in a fighting mood.
Richard Parken

Crown prosecutor Richard Parken helped set up the "First Appearance Centre" system, unique to Alberta and Ontario.

Many of those drivers end up at what’s called a “First Appearance Centre.” Speeders and traffic lawbreakers can make a date with a prosecutor and ask for a deal, or “early resolution” as it's officially called. Nine times out of 10, they’ll get one – with no need to go to court.

“The Crown doesn’t look at this as a deal,” says Richard Parken, the Crown prosecutor who helped set up the system. “But any way you do look at it, that’s what it is.”

First appearance centres, unique to Alberta and Ontario, were created to save regular courts time and costs. “If a person takes the opportunity to plead guilty without putting the court to the necessity of conducting a trial, then that person should be given some consideration in mitigation to his sentence,” explains Parken.

MORE: Interview with Richard Parken »

Parken insists drivers shouldn’t feel guilty about appearing at the centre and trying to get a deal for an offence – even when they’re clearly guilty. “I actually encourage people to do that,” he says. “This is just one avenue by which you can address a problem that you have relating to your driving.”

That said, Parken doesn’t go out of his way to let people know about that: “We don’t advertise in a newspaper or on television or anything...

“It would be a little expensive, for one thing. People who are charged with offences, be they provincial or criminal, are expected to do something about it themselves. If you get a ticket, you make an inquiry."
A truck dashboard.

Don’t automatically reach for your chequebook the next time the long arm of the law points his radar at you.

That inquiry might include calling a paralegal – someone, often a former police officer, who helps speeding motorists fight their tickets. It'll cost you about $300 or $400 for an average ticket, and according to Parken, the average person could do just as good a job:

“The resolution that the paralegal might get from the First Appearance Centre or from the court, if it goes that far, would be no different from a resolution that you could obtain yourself, if you had the time to do it yourself.”

Lesson learned? Don’t automatically reach for your chequebook the next time the long arm of the law points the radar at you.

duhh what kind of idiot would? You should ALWAYS fight every ticket.

[Mizfit]

This also happened

Q: I have sent my request to the prosecutor's office to obtain a full disclosure, but I haven't yet received any replies. What can I do?

A: You can raise this at the time of the trial, and move for a dismissal due to lack of disclosure. If the prosecution give you the disclosure in court, at least ask the court for an adjournment because you need time to prepare for a full answer to the charge based on the information you just obtained. Remember if you asked for disclosure just one week before the trial, of course you are not going to get a response, since this has to be done much earlier.

[Mizfit]

My levels of defense

The first defense im gonna use is the fact my original court date was 14 months after the incident which under section 11b, of the cdn charter of rights is sn unreasonable time for a trial to occur.


If that doesnt work
I also requested a disclosure and never recevied it - again a no no

Then i ask if the gun was calbirated and if it is up to date, then if the officer was trained to use it.

I will ask if he wears glasses and if he wore them on that date

Radars pick up fast moving objects, but do not pin point which object ommitted the speed, it usally picks up bigger objecyts as well - is he positve that it was my car and not the bus that was moving quite a bit faster than myself to the left.

I got more but i gotta run..

wish me luck

[Mizfit]

update -

the cop was an ass, he wrote down the wrong speed on my ticket,

and his creditbility was put into question

[juiceboxxx]

update -

the cop was an ass, he wrote down the wrong speed on my ticket,

and his creditbility was put into question

well that was a retard cop.......how can you put down the wrong speed when it displayed the speed at which you were driving at on the radar ?

so does this mean you won?

[Mizfit]

well that was a retard cop.......how can you put down the wrong speed when it displayed the speed at which you were driving at on the radar ?

so does this mean you won?

lesser fine.. it was ****ed up..

I guess the only way to win if the officer shows up, regardless of how stupid he is .. is to buy them off

[juiceboxxx]

lesser fine.. it was ****ed up..

I guess the only way to win if the officer shows up, regardless of how stupid he is .. is to buy them off

okay forget the fine who cares thats a one time payment.....so you got convicted as well congrats....

did you get any points?

[Mizfit]

okay forget the fine who cares thats a one time payment.....so you got convicted as well congrats....

did you get any points?

yup a few - but the lady from ex copper said because my record is clean and i have no more tickets - my insurance should be fine.. apprently with insurance it's more about how many tickets you get.

I've only had a lot of parking tickets..

Got my car totaled twice.. but that is another story

[63190]

Bump for up dates. $1500 sounds like a lot. Any one know what that translates to in USD? Never heard any one claim that kind of dough would make a ticket go away. Some lady I met today told me she gets her's taken care of for $35. I was like WTF?! Gimme his number!

[Mizfit]

Bump for up dates. $1500 sounds like a lot. Any one know what that translates to in USD? Never heard any one claim that kind of dough would make a ticket go away. Some lady I met today told me she gets her's taken care of for $35. I was like WTF?! Gimme his number!

if you pay 500 - they do not guarantee dismissal, but to get a gauaranteed dismisal - you gotta pay..

[juiceboxxx]

Bump for up dates. $1500 sounds like a lot. Any one know what that translates to in USD? Never heard any one claim that kind of dough would make a ticket go away. Some lady I met today told me she gets her's taken care of for $35. I was like WTF?! Gimme his number!

um.....yeahhhhh........riiiighhht.........


it just costs a minimum of aproximently $200 just to hire a basic agent lol...

tell her...."your agent is proabably a high school kid trying to represent you in court"

[63190]

um.....yeahhhhh........riiiighhht.........


it just costs a minimum of aproximently $200 just to hire a basic agent lol...

tell her...."your agent is proabably a high school kid trying to represent you in court"

You're Canadian, I'm American. Check out Location.

[juiceboxxx]

You're Canadian, I'm American. Check out Location.

so not like you live in Africa. our agent fee would be a little more then yours not much as your saying.

you saying the lady said for $35 U.S that you can get your ticket droped?
meaning the agent can gurantee it? WooooW..

the lady is talkin smack bro thats too impossible..no agent would risk getting fired over $35 U.S