To the DIET drinkers... and the rest aswell

[DNoMac]

For some reason I can't highlight the important part, but read the last few sentences of the study

[DNoMac]

This is from an older thread I started. For those of you who use Sucralose (Conclusion is in the last few sentences):

Pine Court, Fairbourne, Cobham, Surrey KT11 2BT, UK.

Two tolerance studies were conducted in healthy human adult volunteers. The first study was an ascending dose study conducted in eight subjects, in which sucralose was administered at doses of 1, 2. 5, 5 and 10mg/kg at 48-hour intervals and followed by daily dosing at 2mg/kg for 3 days and 5mg/kg for 4 days. In the second study, subjects consumed either sucralose (n=77) or fructose (50g/day) (n=31) twice daily in single blind fashion. Sucralose dosage levels were 125mg/day for weeks 1-3, 250mg/day during weeks 4-7, and 500mg/day during weeks 8-12. No adverse experiences or clinically detectable effects were attributable to sucralose in either study. Similarly, haematology, serum biochemistry, urinalysis and EKG tracings were unaffected by sucralose administration. In the 13-week study, serial slit lamp ophthalmologic examination performed in a random subset of the study groups revealed no changes. Fasting and 2-hour post-dosing blood sucralose concentrations obtained daily during week 12 of the study revealed no rising trend for blood sucralose. Sucralose was well tolerated by human volunteers in single doses up to 10mg/kg/day and repeated doses increasing to 5mg/kg/day for 13 weeks. Based on these studies and the extensive animal safety database, there is no indication that adverse effects on human health would occur from frequent or long-term exposure to sucralose at the maximum anticipated levels of intake.

[ascendant]

Well your concerns to you are valid to others they are not. Basically if we do not agree with your views we are stupid, clueless and/or just are not bright enough to care based on your first sentence above.

you may have misinterpreted what i said. i did not mean any offense by my post. as far as my concerns being valid, i agree that is a matter of opinion. all i was saying is that those with an opposing view have a severe lack of credibility behind their claims and are simply not looking into this matter before posting. i'm just requesting that people research before they end up posting an uninformed post. it's not about stupidity at all, it's simply about researching. like i've already stated, every single study ever done on aspartame has indicated severe health risks, no matter what the doseage. many people seem to keep overlooking that fact and keep saying this is just all hype.

Come on bro you and 90+% of the people on this site stick all kinds of other chemicals into our bodies and you are not saying anything about that. Is Tren, VAR, DBOL, DROL, HCG, all good for you or does it have some sort of side effect (other than growing big)? It can have an effect on blood lipid profile and cause heart disease if you do not keep things in check and with adbuse or none proper use of PCT it could cause more problems than a diet coke every will. What about eating fried foods? What about Pickles that have been proven to be carcinogenic, what about those here that smoke pot? what about those that drink alcohol is that good for you? what about all those things?

well in regards to gear, though they have potential sides, as long as you don't use orals (which i personally don't), the sides are very easy to keep under control for most people. the issue with aspartame is there is no preventative steps to keep you from getting the sides from it. as far as gear causing more problems than aspartame ever could, i completely disagree. diet coke has caused numerous documented serious health effects in people, and that's just from those who were able to correlate the symptoms to the aspartame, let alone those who didn't know the cause. so, we're only seeing a small percentage of those negatively affected by it. as far as pot and alcohol, people are well aware of the consequences of it's consumption. aspartame has not had enough media coverage as of yet to make people as aware of it. if people know something is bad for them and still choose to do it, so be it. i just want people aware of it and not thinking it's safe.

i know many of you have stated about how you haven't had any problems from aspartame, but as i've already stated, there may simply be issues you're used to that you aren't relating to the aspartame. additionally, how many people you know who smoke who are in good health? you know smoking causes lung cancer, emphysema, increases risk for heart disease, etc, yet you don't run into someone everyday who it has done that to. but nonetheless, you still know what it can potentially do to someone.

i, in looking out for other peoples health, am always discussing aspartame and asking my clients if they consume it. in doing so, i have talked to at least 30 people who directly related health issues to their aspartame consumption. i heard things ranging from headaches, stomach aches, depression, anxiety attacks, vision problems, and even one about serious psychological damage. all incidences were directly connected to aspartame either from the subsiding of the symptoms after the discontinued consumption of aspartame or the symptoms began occuring shortly after the aspartame consumption (typically within that following year). i'm not just talking based on research from medical claims from biochemists, which should be credible enough, but from actual peoples experiences with it. i'll admit there was only those approx 30 people out of probably 100+ that i talked to about it, but that's pretty bad numbers nonetheless.

Dude it is great you are trying to put your side and thoughts here but don't preach to people that don't want to be preached to. If you have an idea post it but don't get mad when everyone does not agree with you.

~Old

didn't get mad bro. just frustrated that people are posting before researching. i can't get mad at you guys simply for disagreeing. i just can't believe people are blowing it off without looking into it. maybe the people concerned about what we consume have just cried wolf on so many things in the past that many of you have become numb to their claims. but these claims are coming from very credible sources, have been for a long time, and you don't need to be a biochemist to simply see what chems are in the aspartame and research what those chems do to your body.

all i asked was that if people are going to mock the claims to have some evidence as to be able to discredit them. so far, there's been plenty on this thread to indicate aspartames risks, but none whatsoever to indicate it's safety other than people who are still alright having consumed it for however long. however as already stated, that's nothing more than saying you've smoked for x years and are fine. it confirms nothing. i'd just like to see some credible evidence either showing it's safety or discrediting the risks of aspartame from those people, that's all.

[SwoleCat]

When do you guys find the time to train with numerous posts the size of War and Peace?


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[Mizfit]

When do you guys find the time to train with numerous posts the size of War and Peace?


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Maybe they don't look like u

[SwoleCat]

Maybe they don't look like u

Left u a note on myspace!

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[ascendant]

When do you guys find the time to train with numerous posts the size of War and Peace?


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i'm a damn fast typer. took several comp courses in hs and been using comps ever since.

when it's time to train, the comp goes bye-bye.

[freakinhuge]

Everything is bad if you have too much of it. You have to make your own choices. If you like drinking diet soda then drink it, if not then don't. You have o do what makes you happy.

[ascendant]

Everything is bad if you have too much of it. You have to make your own choices. If you like drinking diet soda then drink it, if not then don't. You have o do what makes you happy.

this isn't just bad if you have too much, it's bad if you have ANY. it cummulatively builds up in your body. there are sensible risks and nonsensible risks. IMO, aspartame is a nonsensible risk.

as far as what makes me happy, not intentionally putting things into my body that is a clear health risk makes me happy. it doesn't take that much work to do so and the improvement in the quality of life is unbelievable.

though this of course is not just related to aspartame, i avoid most processed foods, eat pretty good, and avoid chlorinated water and several other carcinogens. since my minor lifestyle change, i have not once gotten sick, have more energy, improved memory, improved mood, among several other positive health traits. avoiding certain toxic substances, such as aspartame, can certainly improve the quality of your life. it's not just about avoiding health risks, it's about living better.

[Ziggywizz]

http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/adverse.txt

real people with the real problems.. they are not doing any propaganda..


let me ask. how many things are nowdays beeing discovered as health hazards were 10 years ago they are harmless???

[Panzerfaust]

Drinking a Diet Cherry Coke right now..**** it!

[*Narkissos*]

if they put something with minute amounts of arsenic on the market, would you same people taking aspartame take arsenic as well? they're both toxins, so why not? use your heads guys,

Don't insult my intelligence.

The relative toxicity cannot be compared

That's like not popping Vitamin C because you saw a study that said high doses of vitamin C coupled with a high Iron intake convert Vitamin C to a pro-oxidative agent.. instead of an anti-oxidant.. ergo Vitamin C supplementation is bad.

Ergo.. vitamin c= arsenic.

It is simply not the case... If i'm healthy and i drink something containing asparteme will i die? Heck will i feel sick? Not if i don't have underlying conditions which make the metabolism and elimination of the compound and by-product impossible.

Can the same be said about arsenic? No... Hell no!

Narkissos

[*Narkissos*]

I made light of my views in my first post on page one.. Truthfully threads like this piss me off.

Threads where usually intelligent people decide to insult my intelligence.

I'm guessing that the anti-asparteme walk around with a vitamin C/E; selenium; pycnogel, quercitin IV hooked up to their arms huh?

To prevent all the chemical environmental estrogens.. the benzenes etc. from 'getting 'em'.



Narkissos

[Ziggywizz]

Narkissos i,m sorry if my post seem stupid to you but my english is not the best... but let me ask you. do you believe aspartame CAN be toxic or is it harmless to you ?

[zimmy]

Zigg...why does it matter to you if he believes it or anyone else for that matter? Not attacking man...just curious. I dun't know about you...but my opinions don't require confirmation from others.

[Ziggywizz]

its just that i dont get what the discussion is about. all i,m saying is that it can be toxic and wanted to post it here so someone could get the info and be their own jugde. but it seems people here dont want to hear that it CAN be toxic and all they do act cool and try to be funny. i,m not preaching anything.. just saying it can damage ones health if your tolerance levels are low, like mine was...

[beuleux]

ascendant u talk a good fight bro u ever considered starting a pressure group? ur conviction has prompted me to look into this deeper myself, thanks man

[kloter1]

bs...

[taiboxa]

dood u have to like eat ur body weight in aspartame every day to get any complications from it

[ascendant]

Don't insult my intelligence.

The relative toxicity cannot be compared

That's like not popping Vitamin C because you saw a study that said high doses of vitamin C coupled with a high Iron intake convert Vitamin C to a pro-oxidative agent.. instead of an anti-oxidant.. ergo Vitamin C supplementation is bad.

Ergo.. vitamin c= arsenic.

It is simply not the case... If i'm healthy and i drink something containing asparteme will i die? Heck will i feel sick? Not if i don't have underlying conditions which make the metabolism and elimination of the compound and by-product impossible.

Can the same be said about arsenic? No... Hell no!

Narkissos

nark, i never meant to insult your intelligence and never directed that at you. it was moreso just a wise-ass remark, not at all meant to be offensive.

if you just read through all my posts in this thread, you'll see why i have the stance i have on this issue. i have very valid reasons as to why i'm strongly against aspartame, not just from what i read, but from so many people i've talked to about it that have had issues related to it's consumption.

if you're in a profession that gives you the opportunity to talk to lots of people and you can bring up aspartame in conversation, if you'd like further confirmation of my claims just do so and you'll see how many people have had issues related to aspartame.

i agree that you can drink products with aspartame and you won't "die" or most likely won't get sick. however, again i must relate the issue to cigarettes, in which you'd experience the same thing. people smoke for 50+ years sometimes and swear it's not harming them. but then they end up with lung cancer or worse, emphysema, in which case they basically slowly suffocate to death over the course of several years.

bro, the only reason i push this matter is cause i'm trying to look out for you guys. i know, without any doubt in my mind, that this stuff is toxic. like i said, just research the chems that are in it and you'll see what they do to your body.

most likely with our metabolisms and how healthy we eat, we can get away with aspartame consumption. however, what about those around us? our family, friends, and other loved ones? without letting others at least know of the potential dangers, i can't help but feel guilty for leaving them in the dark. also, even with the metabolisms we have, all it takes is an adverse affect from an excitotoxin on our neural pathways to mess us up. as i said, i just don't think it's worth the risk.

oh, and about arsenic, it is in cigarettes in small quantities, so we are able to consume it without any immediate side-effects. i'm not sure about how our body elminates it from our system, but just trying to say toxins don't always have an immediate effect on us.

again nark, i apologize for offending you for my prior statements but once again i assure you no offense was meant. as ziggy keeps saying, i just find too many people making a joke out of it and it really bothers me.

[Stumbo]

When do you guys find the time to train with numerous posts the size of War and Peace?


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Lol, exactly what I was thinking.

Ill say the exact same thing I do when people claim steroids are bad..

Where are all the bodies? Show me, and I will believe.

[Warrior]

Supraphysiological amounts of anabolic steroids, growth hormone, insulin and other performance drugs can lead to health risks. But in moderation they can successfully lead to major body composition changes for the better - with minimal risks (as demonstarted over 20,000 times on this board alone). Same with stuff like aspartame... in moderation it can avoid health issues from excessive sugar intake. Too much may lead toxicity - but so will many dietary minerals or OTC medications.