honest opinion please

[Andorious]

my chest has always been my strongest point. haha, i barely worked it out at all on my previous cycles. the one im on right now is basically the only cycle ive done where ive been hitting my chest hard.

i know that neglecting muscle groups while on is a serious mistake though. il never do that again

but i do appreciate it man. in my eyes, i will always be scrawny. its cool to have my bros tell me otherwise

wow, uve got a lot of size in ur tri's in tht first set of pics, esp. the one after two months of training naturally. i suspect u may assume ur chest is ur strong point possibly cause the tri's really back it up in terms of the weight u can throw around. ur chest is headed in the right direction but i still feel like for tri's overpower ur chest. ur forearms as well look small in comparison to ur bi's and tri's, is it just a bad angle or do they need some work?

[Tren Bull]

wow, uve got a lot of size in ur tri's in tht first set of pics, esp. the one after two months of training naturally. i suspect u may assume ur chest is ur strong point possibly cause the tri's really back it up in terms of the weight u can throw around. ur chest is headed in the right direction but i still feel like for tri's overpower ur chest. ur forearms as well look small in comparison to ur bi's and tri's, is it just a bad angle or do they need some work?

actually, my tris look good cause ive been really focusing on them for the last 2 years... maybe longer. my chest has always been my strongest muscle group by far. most of the size i got on my chest is from incline flys at all different angles.

i suppose my tris have passed up my chest by now, but thats cause i kinda neglected my chest up until a few months ago. haha, i hadnt done flat bench in over 3 years. eventually it occured to me that its stupid to neglect any muscle group. my chest is a genetic strong point, and i intend to take full advantage of that.

thanks for complimenting my tris though. thats been a top priority for a long time. now if i could only get some more mass on my biceps...

[IBdmfkr]

Tren, post up your diet in the Diet forum and let's have a look. Take no offense but something has to be missing whether it be diet/training or rest. Reason I say this is because of the "look" of your body, similar to many of my friends who go to the gym everyday and lift, but then drink/party everyweekend yet still juice cycle after cycle making small improvements.
Usually comes down to the fact that they eat ok occasionally but not for a significant amount of time to see results. Not accusing but rather want to help you transform your physique into what I know it could be.
Your build isn't bad, but you could/should have much more dense muscle on your frame with 6cycles under your belt.

JMO, hope you take this as constructive rather than an insult.

[Tren Bull]

Tren, post up your diet in the Diet forum and let's have a look. Take no offense but something has to be missing whether it be diet/training or rest. Reason I say this is because of the "look" of your body, similar to many of my friends who go to the gym everyday and lift, but then drink/party everyweekend yet still juice cycle after cycle making small improvements.
Usually comes down to the fact that they eat ok occasionally but not for a significant amount of time to see results. Not accusing but rather want to help you transform your physique into what I know it could be.
Your build isn't bad, but you could/should have much more dense muscle on your frame with 6cycles under your belt.

JMO, hope you take this as constructive rather than an insult.

nah, i dont take offense bro. you know your sh_t, and id be glad to get your input on my routine

[IBdmfkr]

PM me or post it up.. let's get started! We'll try and find the weak/missing link in there somewhere

[chest6]

Looks good..but not what I would expect from 6 cycles. Maybe the diet is lacking. I agree with Ibdmfkr..post that diet up. I know you talk sometimes about drinking and what not..maybe that has something to do with it? Time to really focus on the diet...

[scriptfactory]

Looks good..but not what I would expect from 6 cycles. Maybe the diet is lacking. I agree with Ibdmfkr..post that diet up. I know you talk sometimes about drinking and what not..maybe that has something to do with it? Time to really focus on the diet...

Those are not the results from 6 cycles. Those are the results from poor dieting. I don't think you look like you weigh 230lbs, either. I mean, you probably do weigh that much but it doesn't LOOK like you do.

My honest opinion? Don't go on another cycle until you get your diet in order. Drugs don't do you any good if you aren't eating correctly. You should probably try a different type of diet for a month. If you were on a standard low fat diet try something high fat like carb cycling or keto. If you were on a high fat diet try something low fat. Good luck, man!

[Tren Bull]

Those are not the results from 6 cycles. Those are the results from poor dieting.

you're so right. benching 350 and having 18 inch arms is the result of eating junk food and nothing else huh?

[rake922]

the first pic i took around january at 200 pounds. the second pic is after 2 months of training naturally (at about the same weight). im currently on a heavy cycle, and il post updated pics soon.

in the mean time, i was wondering what you bros think of my natural progress

Like many of the others, I would have never imagined you're on a 6th cycle based on those pics. I'm sorry if you take umbrage to that.

What age did you start anabolics? And what were your height/ weight then compared to today?

[Tren Bull]

Like many of the others, I would have never imagined you're on a 6th cycle based on those pics. I'm sorry if you take umbrage to that.

What age did you start anabolics? And what were your height/ weight then compared to today?

i started taking gear at 20 years old. i weighed about 170 at the time. i am now 230

[Tren Bull]

btw, i could try to list off excuses as to why im not bigger, but i dont feel like trying to explain it to you. im sure you would tell me im full of sh_t and i got no idea what im doing anyway.

lets put it this way, i must be doing something right if i managed to make noticable gains during 2 months of training naturally

[*Alex*]

btw, i could try to list off excuses as to why im not bigger, but i dont feel like trying to explain it to you. im sure you would tell me im full of sh_t and i got no idea what im doing anyway.

lets put it this way, i must be doing something right if i managed to make noticable gains during 2 months of training naturally

good for you tren, keep up good work.

[Tren Bull]

good for you tren, keep up good work.

thanks bro. i will continue to give it everything i got

[IBdmfkr]

Just keep making gains bro and eventually like all of us you'll reach your goal. I was only trying to help you get there faster.. hope you didn't take offense. Ur a good bro.

[Tren Bull]

Just keep making gains bro and eventually like all of us you'll reach your goal. I was only trying to help you get there faster.. hope you didn't take offense. Ur a good bro.

oh dont trip bro, im not pissed at you. im just feelin a little irritated cause people at work were pissing me off.

haha, im sure all this dbol im on isnt helping my outlook on things either.

[IBdmfkr]

well lets just go scrap under the old maple tree.. 5o'clock eh?

[Tren Bull]

well lets just go scrap under the old maple tree.. 5o'clock eh?

haha yea that sounds like a good idea. woman love guys that get into fights

[Tren Bull]

btw, i think the best place to fight at would be downtown chico at 10 pm on a friday night. right in front of all those drunk teenagers...

they're sure to jump in. then it would escalate into an all out brawl

[Liftnainez]

tren if you dont mind can you post your training split.. what does your chest/tri routine look like? thanks bro

[pepperoni]

I expected alot better results from someone who has done 6 cycles and gives out advice regularly on the board. Clearly something is missing or something is off with your diet and/or training because it looks like you could have gotten where you are naturally.

[flyguy7]

bro you're 230 now, but with a hell of a lot of fat to drop. As for the tris people are talking about, i just think you're pushing your arm against your body. I think you need to stay off the cycles for a while, bulking up more isn't really what you need, and i'd be interested in your training and diet as well. This isn't meant to flame you, though i'm sure it sounds like it, but you did say you wanted honesty haha. But with 11,000 posts of advice and 5 (going on 6) cycles under your belt, i just expect more.

[Tren Bull]

with 11,000 posts of advice and 5 (going on 6) cycles under your belt, i just expect more.

me too. its fu_kin annoying to be hitting up eod and part of the time ed injections of prop, enanthate and deca, to not gain anywhere nearly what you thought you were gonna gain.

[Tren Bull]

bro you're 230 now, but with a hell of a lot of fat to drop. As for the tris people are talking about, i just think you're pushing your arm against your body

gee, thats not insulting or anything

[Tren Bull]

Clearly something is missing or something is off with your diet and/or training because it looks like you could have gotten where you are naturally.

i admit, my diet is not 100% flawless, but its not totally fu_ked up... i mean, i did manage to make noticable progress naturally over the course of 2-3 months.

and btw, i will not be holding off on the aas... why would I? cause some of you think i should be bigger?

[bigbouncinballs]

back... legs. let's see em homey

[guest589745]

I wouldnt be liftin 5 days in a row man. WHy not do this:

mon-chest/front delts
tue-lats/traps
wed-off
thu-legs/low back
fri-bis/tris/forearms
sat-off
sun-off

I love this routine, I can get a MUCH better pump in my arms and use more weight, they already look bigger after 3 weeks.

That IMO can be one of the best routines if you do it right (sets/reps etc)

[Tren Bull]

I wouldnt be liftin 5 days in a row man. WHy not do this:

mon-chest/front delts
tue-lats/traps
wed-off
thu-legs/low back
fri-bis/tris/forearms
sat-off
sun-off

I love this routine, I can get a MUCH better pump in my arms and use more weight, they already look bigger after 3 weeks.

That IMO can be one of the best routines if you do it right (sets/reps etc)

haha, thats practically the same routine im doing right now. i agree, its pretty effective

[beuleux]

I wouldnt be liftin 5 days in a row man. WHy not do this:

mon-chest/front delts
tue-lats/traps
wed-off
thu-legs/low back
fri-bis/tris/forearms
sat-off
sun-off

I love this routine, I can get a MUCH better pump in my arms and use more weight, they already look bigger after 3 weeks.

That IMO can be one of the best routines if you do it right (sets/reps etc)

No abs or side/rear delts?

[guest589745]

No abs or side/rear delts?

My bad.

I do abs with legs and one other day whenever I feel like it but by themselves.

Rear delts usually get hit when I do my back but you can throw in some exercises, 1-2 no more IMO. I have shoudler probs too might I add.

[Tren Bull]

My bad.

I do abs with legs and one other day whenever I feel like it but by themselves.

Rear delts usually get hit when I do my back but you can throw in some exercises, 1-2 no more IMO. I have shoudler probs too might I add.

cant forget the rear delts. i started hitting them first on back day.

[juiceboxxx]

Diet needs work of course but still I see big size. Arms + chest lookign very huge. I cant seee legs but I'd start hitting the forearm a bit too. The thing is most people like to bulk then cut. You just want to continue bulking and it makes it harder for us to see you look more ripped but big at the same time cuz you dont want to cut yet.

your goal is 19" arms I believe You will get it. Do as you wish cuz its your body!

I would cut if I were you though and get a nice tan too you bum

[Tren Bull]

and get a nice tan too you bum

yea i agree

[juiceboxxx]

yea i agree

trust me bro tanning does wonders

[Tren Bull]

Diet needs work of course but still I see big size. Arms + chest lookign very huge. I cant seee legs but I'd start hitting the forearm a bit too. The thing is most people like to bulk then cut. You just want to continue bulking and it makes it harder for us to see you look more ripped but big at the same time cuz you dont want to cut yet.

your goal is 19" arms I believe You will get it. Do as you wish cuz its your body!

imo my chest is my strongest point. everything else needs major improvement, including my forarms. i swear though, my forarms are so damn stubborn... they're even worse than my biceps.

anyway, i suppose im greedy for the gains and size, which i am not willing to sacrafice. i do however at least try to cut while not on cycle. what i really need to do is get my arms up to at least 21 inches with the same proportionate build everywhere, then il hit up the heavy tbol/winni cutting cycles

[juiceboxxx]

imo my chest is my strongest point. everything else needs major improvement, including my forarms. i swear though, my forarms are so damn stubborn... they're even worse than my biceps.

anyway, i suppose im greedy for the gains and size, which i am not willing to sacrafice. i do however at least try to cut while not on cycle. what i really need to do is get my arms up to at least 21 inches with the same proportionate build everywhere, then il hit up the heavy tbol/winni cutting cycles

yes do cardio and cutting meal plans while not on cycle.Make sure to take the time on = time off breaks so your body can recover too..

21 inch? is hugge and along hard way to go. Dont keep on cycling till you get it bro. its like me saying i will keep cycling heavy cycles till i begin to look like jay cutler (=20 stright cycles).

Trust me your arms look good and big and they match your body size so I think you should stick to serious cutting by following the meal plan exactly and not cheating one bit and you will be very pleased with your overall look after this cycle.

Cant keep cycling bro one after another iis a big no no you know that but your just a stubborn fuk

[Tren Bull]

yes do cardio and cutting meal plans while not on cycle.Make sure to take the time on = time off breaks so your body can recover too..

21 inch? is hugge and along hard way to go. Dont keep on cycling till you get it bro. its like me saying i will keep cycling heavy cycles till i begin to look like jay cutler (=20 stright cycles).

Trust me your arms look good and big and they match your body size so I think you should stick to serious cutting by following the meal plan exactly and not cheating one bit and you will be very pleased with your overall look after this cycle.

Cant keep cycling bro one after another iis a big no no you know that but your just a stubborn fuk

come on bro, i know better than to take numerous cycles one after another with no recovery time... i dont have any hcg, so if i did that, id lose my nuts forever. thats not what i want to happen to me. the plan is to cycle twice a year for 10 weeks at a time. once in the summer and once during christmas break. maybe il get impatient and take cycles during the school year too. problem is it makes me so lethargic, im afraid id fail out of college if i was always that tired

[guest589745]

As long as you dont have any existing injuriess and are dedicated, you have a lot of potential. Yer bigger than most guys as of now too. You aint small or nothin.

Pose better and take more pics

[Tren Bull]

As long as you dont have any existing injuriess and are dedicated, you have a lot of potential. Yer bigger than most guys as of now too. You aint small or nothin.

Pose better and take more pics

thanks bro, i appreciate that. its fu_kin irritating to bust your ass in the gym for over 10 years to have to listen to some guy tell you that you're small and you dont know what you're doing.

i swear, everyone is so quick to acuise other people of not knowing what they are doing

[juiceboxxx]

thanks bro, i appreciate that. its fu_kin irritating to bust your ass in the gym for over 10 years to have to listen to some guy tell you that you're small and you dont know what you're doing.

i swear, everyone is so quick to acuise other people of not knowing what they are doing

welcome to earth

[guest589745]

Oh dude, you are NOT small lol. Thats obvious. Just post better pics that really show you.

The things that hold people back IMO are dedication/nutrition/injuries

I happen to have some re-occuring injuries which are hurting my results big time. I AM getting results but, not the results I was used to when I was bigger than I am now. GH is gonna be mandatory for me eventually.