For me as I mentioned It was my first jab back on steroids, as a rule little as possible makes more sense, more don't awes mean bigger quicker.. I found that a little for joint works well, as a compound on its own for growth...crap works well with other compounds. A friend who introduced me to the thaught of Decca as a drug to ease joint pain, he made the comment that 100mg is good but take test with as you mentioned HPTA shutdown can happen. I take 50mg decca 50mg and 50mg T400, doesn't seem a lot but results are great. Perhaps I should make a log?