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    Children of Palestinian Officer Killed

    GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Hamas gunmen killed three young children of a senior Palestinian intelligence officer Monday, pumping dozens of bullets into their car on a street crowded with schoolchildren -- an unprecedented attack that could ignite widespread factional fighting.

    In Monday's attack, the children's car was riddled with some 60 bullets by gunmen driving in two vehicles, Palestinian security officials said. Its seats, school bags and a small plastic bag with a sandwich in it were splattered with blood.
    "The killers knew Baha was not in the car because he never drove his children to school. They couldn't get to him to kill him, so they killed his children instead," the Palestinian official said.



    IMO:
    So Hamas has gone from targeting Israeli kids to targeting Palestinian kids, I wonder if Mohammed will give them 72 virgins for this heroic act. Maybe name a street or shopping mall after them........


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    Quote Originally Posted by singern
    GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Hamas gunmen killed three young children of a senior Palestinian intelligence officer Monday, pumping dozens of bullets into their car on a street crowded with schoolchildren -- an unprecedented attack that could ignite widespread factional fighting.

    IMO:
    So Hamas has gone from targeting Israeli kids to targeting Palestinian kids, I wonder if Mohammed will give them 72 virgins for this heroic act. Maybe name a street or shopping mall after them........
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    I don't understand why you would post the story, let alone add your comments.

    This conflict can never be ended until facts on the ground are dealt with in reality and stark truthfulness.

    It's possible Hamas did this, but it makes absolutely no sense and Hamas has denied they were involved. Such an act would certainly draw Fatah and Hamas into even more animosity and divisiveness. Israel certainly would have a vested interest in drawing the two sides into further discord and armed conflict and who can rule out the Metsada in carrying out the attack as Israel would have a lot to gain?

    Hamas has never intentionally fired upon Israeli children -- show me one incident where children were intentionally targeted. I can show many where the IDF intentionally targeted children, never mind the 'official' explanation of the army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecivon
    I don't understand why you would post the story, let alone add your comments.

    This conflict can never be ended until facts on the ground are dealt with in reality and stark truthfulness.

    It's possible Hamas did this, but it makes absolutely no sense and Hamas has denied they were involved. Such an act would certainly draw Fatah and Hamas into even more animosity and divisiveness. Israel certainly would have a vested interest in drawing the two sides into further discord and armed conflict and who can rule out the Metsada in carrying out the attack as Israel would have a lot to gain?

    Hamas has never intentionally fired upon Israeli children -- show me one incident where children were intentionally targeted. I can show many where the IDF intentionally targeted children, never mind the 'official' explanation of the army.
    Sorry that just doesnt make sence, Israel evacuated gaza, we no longer have a vested interest there, nor would we want to, every pole taken here be it public or political shows this. Hamas however has a great deal to lose since Abbas has called for early elections. Hamas made alot of promises they cannot keep, and with the international hold on funds due to current government make up, you can be sure Hamas will not see another government job other than jamitor at the court house.

    One thing Israel does want is peace, this I can tell you as I live here. The ability to send my kids to school and not worry about them, the ability to travel, and enjoy simple things in life. This is what we want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singern
    Sorry that just doesnt make sence, Israel evacuated gaza, we no longer have a vested interest there, nor would we want to, every pole taken here be it public or political shows this. Hamas however has a great deal to lose since Abbas has called for early elections. Hamas made alot of promises they cannot keep, and with the international hold on funds due to current government make up, you can be sure Hamas will not see another government job other than jamitor at the court house.

    One thing Israel does want is peace, this I can tell you as I live here. The ability to send my kids to school and not worry about them, the ability to travel, and enjoy simple things in life. This is what we want.
    Israels stills controls Gazas airspace and sea access and the border along with Egypt. If there was no "vested interest" they would not control Gaza's sea access and airspace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpeepants
    Israels stills controls Gazas airspace and sea access and the border along with Egypt. If there was no "vested interest" they would not control Gaza's sea access and airspace.


    Gaza is located on the Egypt border, weapons, and drugs smuggling tunnels are found every single day, terrorists cross the soft border every day.
    It is imperative that Israel control that border for the most obvious of reasons, however we have no interest or gain by being inside Gaza.

    If you knew for a fact that terrorists were coming into the USA from Canada, I assure you the US military would be on that border like ugly on Nasrala.

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    Hamas gunmen fire on Fatah protesters

    And so it continues,
    Here is how Hamas treats those who dare protest the terrorist organization.



    Hamas gunmen fire on Fatah protesters


    Hamas gunmen opened fire on demonstrators from the rival Fatah movement in the southern Gaza Strip on Tuesday, wounding four people in the first factional violence following the deaths of three children in a drive-by shooting, officials said.

    The demonstration was organized to protest the deaths of the children, whose car was riddled with bullets as they drove to school Monday morning. Fatah officials have accused Hamas of being behind the shooting. The children's father is an intelligence officer and Fatah loyalist who is considered an enemy of Hamas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singern
    Gaza is located on the Egypt border, weapons, and drugs smuggling tunnels are found every single day, terrorists cross the soft border every day.
    It is imperative that Israel control that border for the most obvious of reasons, however we have no interest or gain by being inside Gaza.

    If you knew for a fact that terrorists were coming into the USA from Canada, I assure you the US military would be on that border like ugly on Nasrala.
    My point is that Israel still has great controll of Gaza and with the withdrawal last year, most, not all, of it's citizens are out of the reach of missle fire. Also closing the border makes it harder for Palestinians to sell there goods to the outside and the westbank and go fishing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singern
    Israel evacuated gaza, .
    lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.S.N.
    lol.
    Fact, not one Israeli lives inside Gaza. Even the military had withdrawn until the recent military incursions into Gaza due to militant attacks, and constant rocket fire at Israeli towns.

    You have an opinion, lets here it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singern
    Fact, not one Israeli lives inside Gaza. Even the military had withdrawn until the recent military incursions into Gaza due to militant attacks, and constant rocket fire at Israeli towns.

    You have an opinion, lets here it.
    Okay that's basically true Singern, but please detail what the IDF has subjected the Gaza population to on a daily and nightly basis since the disengagement and settlement withdrawal -- even in the absence of Kassim fire.

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    i dont see how anyone can argue with my foreign policy after hearing crap like this..... nuke the entire middle east and start over. one big do over.

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    post the source when pasting an article, otherwise it could be made up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snrfmaster
    post the source when pasting an article, otherwise it could be made up

    This was on the front page of every news site on the planet, wont be hard to find.

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    The story is real. here's what I got from yahoo.

    Deaths of 3 children threaten Gaza peace By MARK LAVIE, Associated Press Writer
    1 hour, 8 minutes ago

    JERUSALEM - By threatening to ignite a Palestinian civil war, the killing of three children in the Gaza Strip on Monday has jeopardized Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's efforts to restart long-stalled peace talks.

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    As violence between the two main Palestinian factions has intensified, hopes are fading for a Palestinian national unity government — seen as a precondition for renewed negotiations with Israel. Olmert is offering the Palestinians far-reaching concessions and a state of their own if they choose the path of peace talks.

    "It's one of those situations where all Israel can do is wait it out," said Shmuel Sandler, a professor of political science at Bar Ilan University outside Tel Aviv.

    The apparent target of the drive-by shooting in Gaza City was Baha Balousheh, a top Palestinian security officer and Fatah loyalist. He blamed the rival Hamas, although the Islamic movement denied responsibility and denounced the killings.

    Balousheh's three children — 3-year-old Salam, 6-year-old Ahmed and 9-year-old Osama — were in the family car on their way to school when gunmen opened fire from two vehicles. The three were killed along with their driver. Doctors said one of the boys was hit by 10 bullets to the head.

    Since January elections in which the radical Hamas ousted Fatah, the traditional dominant force in Palestinian politics, there have been periodic flare-ups of violence between the two sides.

    The West, labeling Hamas a terror group, cut off aid to the Palestinian government in March, insisting it must recognize Israel, renounce violence and accept previous peace pacts.

    Hamas refuses to take any of those steps, so President Mahmoud Abbas, a moderate who was elected separately, has been trying to create a new government with his Fatah party and Hamas in joint control — to no avail.

    Another round of violence, triggered by the killing of the children, would contribute to the "chaos that dominates the Gaza scene," said Ron Pundak, director of the Peres Peace Center and one of the authors of the first Israel-Palestinian partial peace agreement in 1993.

    In a Nov. 27 policy speech, Olmert appealed to the Palestinians to accept the international conditions and re-enter peace negotiations. If they do, they "will be able to establish an independent and viable Palestinian state, with territorial contiguity in Judea and Samaria, a state with full sovereignty and defined borders," Olmert said, referring to the West Bank by its biblical name.

    But Israeli observers said that's unlikely if the internal Palestinian violence continues and the Hamas-led government does not moderate its policies or allow installation of a new, more moderate government.

    Analyst Dore Gold, who served as an adviser to former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, said that despite Olmert's offers, the Palestinians are not ready for peace talks.

    "Until there is orderly government that takes seriously the security commitments the Palestinians undertook in the past and recognizes Israel's right to exist, negotiations might make nice photo opportunities, but would yield no positive results whatsoever," he said.

    However, Pundak said Israel and the West can still save the situation by giving the Palestinians some hope, "not just a declaration of two states, but a clear picture of where it's going — and secondly, a feeling of a quick economic boost."

    Then, Pundak said, the Palestinians would take steps to stabilize their internal situation. "When the Palestinians feel it is in their interest, they know how to control the situation. The current cease-fire is an example," he said, referring to a two-week-old truce that has ended five months of Israel-Palestinian violence in Gaza.

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