Update on Resveratrol

[Swifto]

Personally, I just think its a selling point.

[Property of Steroid.com]

I think it's interesting that the success of myogenx is based solely on rodent studies, yet the rodent studies you posted on resveratrol don't pertain to its effects in humans. Am I the only one not following this logic? If human studies are so important, where are the ones for fadogia agrestis?

Throughout this thread, I've said that results in people are really what we should be looking at. Fadogia was used for decades in Nigeria in Folk medicine and it worked. Drinking wine is responsible for the "French Paradox" ...meaning it has been credited with helping offset cardiovascular disease for literally hundreds of years in France.

Studies on rodents are what they are, but the evidence in real life are that all of the ingredients in my products were working in the real world long before they were put into rats and under a microscope.

You know why people use letro to get rid of gyno? Because of a RODENT study I put out there (yes, I was the first to put that study out and on the boards)...and it worked...but I knew it would work because it already had in me.

[K.Biz]

Damn this is a battle going on. The real question is has anyone used cyogenx yet?

[Property of Steroid.com]

Damn this is a battle going on. The real question is has anyone used cyogenx yet?

We've sold some bottles, yes. I haven't kept up really, though...we probably should do some kind of marketing campaign soon, I think.

[donniebrasco]

Also...I don't take the kinds of doses you take...I take like 25mgs of Anavar per day, and thats one of the only oral steroids I take. It's in Caps at that dose from my HRT company.

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but yet in the anavar profile..... Personally, I’d use 100mgs/day if I were ever going to try this stuff, any less than 20 is a waste

[donniebrasco]

^^^^^ not that it bothers me, but i have used lots of your info while researching and gone by your guidelines......

[Property of Steroid.com]

but yet in the anavar profile..... Personally, I’d use 100mgs/day if I were ever going to try this stuff, any less than 20 is a waste

That was written 2 years ago...

And I have used it at 100mgs a day. That profile was written before I got everything for free, and had to actually pay for steroids.

Then I got everything for free, and used tons...

NOw I use HRT companies, and pay for my gear, and have to use what I get prescribed, to stay legal. In my case, that's 25mgs of 'Var with 100mgs EOD of prop.

If I could use any amount of Anavar, legally, it would still be 100mgs ED. I stand by those comments, but right now, my situation (to stay legal) is that I can not use the dosages I probably would if I could just do whatever I want.

[ginkobulloba]

Any update on cyogenx? Do we have any human blood tests confirming the improvement in lipid profiles? Surely someone has done this. If it works, I'd be willing to give it a try.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Haven't gotten bloodwork from anyone. People seem to like the products a lot, though, from feedback I've gotten.

However, there's several studies speculating about how resveratrol works, both of which I had access to prior to coming out with the CyoGenX product. One is called "Resveratrol: A Preconditioning Agent" (from UCONN) and the other is called "Relationship Mechanisms, Bioavailability, and preclinical chemopreventitive efficiency: A conundrum".

Neither dispute the efficacy of Resveratrol (as that's not really an issue in the scientific community), but rather, they speculate on how it works so well.

[Random]

I will be using some very soon...bloodwork before and after too

CD

[Swifto]

Haven't gotten bloodwork from anyone. People seem to like the products a lot, though, from feedback I've gotten.

However, there's several studies speculating about how resveratrol works, both of which I had access to prior to coming out with the CyoGenX product. One is called "Resveratrol: A Preconditioning Agent" (from UCONN) and the other is called "Relationship Mechanisms, Bioavailability, and preclinical chemopreventitive efficiency: A conundrum".

Neither dispute the efficacy of Resveratrol (as that's not really an issue in the scientific community), but rather, they speculate on how it works so well.

Ha Ha.

Even when scientists state it is. Yeah, sure its not an issue.

[ginkobulloba]

I will be using some very soon...bloodwork before and after too

CD

Are you going to be using it coming off a cycle? Taking anything else along with it, red yeast rice, niacin, etc?

[Property of Steroid.com]

Ha Ha.

Even when scientists state it is. Yeah, sure its not an issue.

Ha ha? You should read the studies I posted.

As a side note, I always wonder why people who are not professionals in my industry often think they have relevant opinions or know more than those who are professionals. Doesn't it stand to reason that if one knew more than a professional in this industry, one would actually be a professional in the industry?

It's like when Greg Kovacs said he was baically the strongest man in the world, then never broke a single record ...everyone knew he was full of shit.

[Swifto]

Ha ha? You should read the studies I posted.

As a side note, I always wonder why people who are not professionals in my industry often think they have relevant opinions or know more than those who are professionals. Doesn't it stand to reason that if one knew more than a professional in this industry, one would actually be a professional in the industry?

It's like when Greg Kovacs said he was baically the strongest man in the world, then never broke a single record ...everyone knew he was full of shit.

Your not even a "member of the scientific community" yourself. You have ZERO qualifications in the scientific community, yet, like to believe your something, how can I put this, special.

I'm no "professional in the industry", so what? It doesnt mean I cant dispute your claims. Or are we about to all witness your ego again.

Truth is, there are studies for and against Resveratrol. I'd say more against its use in supplements, your argue for. Well....You would. Its one of the main ingredients in your latest "supplement", CyoGenX.

[Swifto]

Its simple.

You believe Anthony Roberts, or whatever your name is. Someone thats constantly made his goals clear, whatever the consequnces. Someone that openly admits he's bias and in it for the money.

Or, Johan Auwerx, a professor of medicine at the Institute of Genetics and Molecular and Cellular Biology in Strasbourg, France, aswell as other scientists.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Unfortunately, you've not got the technical nor logical ability, nor credentials in this industry to justify my time in really explaining to you why you're wrong again.

[Swifto]

Unfortunately, you've not got the technical nor logical ability, nor credentials in this industry to justify my time in really explaining to you why you're wrong again.

Or I'd have to pay $200 and hour, right?

How did I know your ego was around the corner...?

We'll just leave it then...As I'm not paying $200.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Or I'd have to pay $200 and hour, right?

How did I know your ego was around the corner...?

We'll just leave it then...As I'm not paying $200.

Actually, I can't take any more clients. I'm too busy, and $200/hour is a ton of money for people to pay, and it's not really enough to justify my time.

I'm likely going to close consultations soon, or at least limit them.

As for getting an ego like mine, just have the #1 ranked steroid reference book on Amazon.com for 2 straight years. It's not hard.

(For me, anyway.)

[Swifto]

Actually, I can't take any more clients. I'm too busy, and $200/hour is a ton of money for people to pay, and it's not really enough to justify my time.

I'm likely going to close consultations soon, or at least limit them.

As for getting an ego like mine, just have the #1 ranked steroid reference book on Amazon.com for 2 straight years. It's not hard.

(For me, anyway.)

$200 isnt enough. Jeez....

As for your ego. You had that before you wrote a book with Brian. Remember SwoleCats post(s)?

Anyway. I'm going back to helping where I can. Obviously I'm not qualified to enter into dialogue with such tainted individual in this field and the "scientific community".

And you go back to pushing your products.

Have a good day Anthony (Tony).

[Property of Steroid.com]

I will be using some very soon...bloodwork before and after too

CD

Now that I think about it...i don't know if bloodwork is going to show what we need. Estrogen should go down a bit (if you were using just AAS, then AAS + Cyo, and got bloodwork from those seperate times)....but since some of the components in Cyo act as SERMs, and one elevates free test, I wonder what we're going to see that's useful.

If you get bloodwork while on nothing, then while on Nolv, your estrogen will have gone up on Nolv (not down) even though your estrogenic side would effects go down.

[Property of Steroid.com]

I will be using some very soon...bloodwork before and after too

CD

Now that I think about it...i don't know if bloodwork is going to show what we need. Estrogen should go down a bit (if you were using just AAS, then AAS + Cyo, and got bloodwork from those seperate times)....but since some of the components in Cyo act as SERMs, and one elevates free test, I wonder what we're going to see that's useful.

If you get bloodwork while on nothing, then while on Nolv, your estrogen will have gone up on Nolv (not down) even though your estrogenic side would effects go down.

[Random]

^^^hmm i was more interested in its effect on joints, and cholesterol...your thoughts?

CD

[ginkobulloba]

Yeah, that's what I was interested in, the cholesterol.

[Random]

Last i checked bb.com didnt have it

CD

[Property of Steroid.com]

ive been hearing alot of bad shit about thie roberts character.. rumors dont get spread from anywhere.. sum shit is going on..

Rumours often say more about the person spreading them than they do about the person they're talking about.

[Swifto]

ive been hearing alot of bad shit about thie roberts character.. rumors dont get spread from anywhere.. sum shit is going on..

Strange that isnt it.

[vitor]

I guess the question becomes, why use money on cyogenx instead of (for example)aromasin, for increasing T-levels? lowering estrogen? Because it "might" improve joint health and cholesterol?

Alot of AAS users or natrual trainers already take cholestrol and joint supplements anyway(including me)...So unless cyogenx proves to be much more effective than them I see little reasen to spend money on a less affective anti-e than what ime using now...

Myogenx seems to offer people more imo, as it might increase T-levels (without being supressive) form another pathway that an anti-estrogen will. That makes myo a bit unique, rather than cyo which seems to yust replace what we already have available in a less effective manner imo...

[goose]

Good post as always buddy To be honest Im looking forward to MR roberts fat loss product,as the Rumour it will have the same mechanism as DNP.Also with this product you will be able to see the results and how good the product is.So it will be all eyes on me.Going to be great for this genre.

I guess the question becomes, why use money on cyogenx instead of (for example)aromasin, for increasing T-levels? lowering estrogen? Because it "might" improve joint health and cholesterol?

Alot of AAS users or natrual trainers already take cholestrol and joint supplements anyway(including me)...So unless cyogenx proves to be much more effective than them I see little reasen to spend money on a less affective anti-e than what ime using now...

Myogenx seems to offer people more imo, as it might increase T-levels (without being supressive) form another pathway that an anti-estrogen will. That makes myo a bit unique, rather than cyo which seems to yust replace what we already have available in a less effective manner imo...

[Random]

^^^ Goose i was thinking the same thing...when will that be released Anthony?

CD

[Property of Steroid.com]

I guess the question becomes, why use money on cyogenx instead of (for example)aromasin, for increasing T-levels? lowering estrogen? Because it "might" improve joint health and cholesterol?

Alot of AAS users or natrual trainers already take cholestrol and joint supplements anyway(including me)...So unless cyogenx proves to be much more effective than them I see little reasen to spend money on a less affective anti-e than what ime using now...
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Well that's the point...something that will help with estrogen and also be good as an anti-oxidant, for joints, lipids, the prostate, cholesterol, etc...

Look at it the other way:

What if you have the choice between a vitamin and a vitamin that helps with estrogen? All things being equal, you'd choose the second one; so since you're using stuff that the Cyo does anyway, but won't help with estrogen, it makes sense to switch to the Cyo.

[vitor]

Well that's the point...something that will help with estrogen and also be good as an anti-oxidant, for joints, lipids, the prostate, cholesterol, etc...

Look at it the other way:

What if you have the choice between a vitamin and a vitamin that helps with estrogen? All things being equal, you'd choose the second one; so since you're using stuff that the Cyo does anyway, but won't help with estrogen, it makes sense to switch to the Cyo.

Ok,
Do you know when your fat-loss supplement will be available?
Any idea how effective it will be, compared to other things like DNP, T3, clen etc?

[Swifto]

Well that's the point...something that will help with estrogen and also be good as an anti-oxidant, for joints, lipids, the prostate, cholesterol, etc...

Look at it the other way:

What if you have the choice between a vitamin and a vitamin that helps with estrogen? All things being equal, you'd choose the second one; so since you're using stuff that the Cyo does anyway, but won't help with estrogen, it makes sense to switch to the Cyo.

Except the price of the two, right? Vitimins arnt priced the same as CyoGenX are they. Bad logic Anthony.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Except the price of the two, right? Vitimins arnt priced the same as CyoGenX are they. Bad logic Anthony.

I suspect that if he uses a lot of vitamins (or even a decent amount) to counteract the bad effects of AAS, and he dumps them all to use Cyo instead, that it would be about the same price.

I'm assuming he buys it for like $30 or so from BB.com though. He can dump some of the joint support stuff, cholesterol stuff, anti-oxidants, etc...which would likely add up to about the same as Cyo.

As for "bad logic"...I actually have a degree in Philosophy, where I specialized in logic. I assure you that between you and I, there is no chance that my logical abilities would be the lesser of the two.

[Property of Steroid.com]

lol, your logic is so great you've run over 4g of juice in a week, only weigh 200lbs and are on HRT at the age of 30.

I run under a gram now, and when I ran 4g/week, I was about 225lbs at 5'7". That's bigger than people who win local BB'ing shows here. Now, I prefer HRT doses and being able to do what I do legally...but I could get myself back to normal, I think...probably without any PCT, if my last bloodwork is any indication.

Also...I have to think you have an ulterior motive coming here...you came here, claimed to have "heard rumours" about me, and then started trolling me as soon as you signed up.

Not really what a new member/newb does, I think. I mean...when I was a newb, I didn't sign up to a board where someone wrote a book and start talking shit on them, when they're active there.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Ok,
Do you know when your fat-loss supplement will be available?
Any idea how effective it will be, compared to other things like DNP, T3, clen etc?

No idea. I need to start working on getting an ingredient in it besides the main one (which is a mitochondrial uncoupler, and not in anything else on the 'market now).

Since I'm writing for (and editing) a new magazine, most of my time is being taken up with that now...I'll be done with it Friday, and it'll be on news stands next month, then I'll work on the fat burner.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Please point to the post where I claimed to have "heard rumours" about you.

Just because I'm new here doesn't mean I haven't been on other boards, and know enough about you to have formed an opinion.

Sorry...someone else in this thread with a couple posts said that...

But as you clearly said in this last post, you have been on other boards and heard things about me, and you have formed an opinion without knowing me.

You've heard other people say stuff about me, and that's where your opinion comes from. That's a bit silly, isn't it?

When it comes to writing about steroids, who are the top 1-2 guys in the world? Not to be a dick, but don't you think that being pretty successful at this game makes me a bit of a target? Now add to that fact the fact that I'm a total ****...

But you should still form your opinion about me from interaction with me, since you have the chance.

Hell...I've heard rumours about everyone in this industry, but since I actually know them...I have formed my own opinion.

[Swifto]

lol, your logic is so great you've run over 4g of juice in a week, only weigh 200lbs and are on HRT at the age of 30.

I love it.

[Swifto]

I run under a gram now, and when I ran 4g/week, I was about 225lbs at 5'7". That's bigger than people who win local BB'ing shows here. Now, I prefer HRT doses and being able to do what I do legally...but I could get myself back to normal, I think...probably without any PCT, if my last bloodwork is any indication.

Also...I have to think you have an ulterior motive coming here...you came here, claimed to have "heard rumours" about me, and then started trolling me as soon as you signed up.

Not really what a new member/newb does, I think. I mean...when I was a newb, I didn't sign up to a board where someone wrote a book and start talking shit on them, when they're active there.

You mean their not the newb that you love. They ones that doesnt ask questions, thinks your the best thing since sliced bread and will buy all your products without researching them, you for that matter. And again...Wont doubt your opinoin. You'de love that wouldnt you. What an ideal world.

It seems more and more "newbs" are seeing the light. Excellent.

[Property of Steroid.com]

You mean their not the newb that you love. They ones that doesnt ask questions, thinks your the best thing since sliced bread and will buy all your products without researching them, you for that matter. And again...Wont doubt your opinoin. You'de love that wouldnt you. What an ideal world.

It seems more and more "newbs" are seeing the light. Excellent.

I suppose you're right. My sales increase monthly, for everything I produce.

Give it a rest. You're a "monitor" on steroid.com. Don't get it twisted...you don't even have any powers on the site...you have to report people to get something done. I was a Mod, and left that position because it's beneath me...you'll never even make it that far. Give it a rest.

[Adam F]

Anthony Dont Worry about it Bro. Fruns has a habit of barging in into threads being argumentive providing no useful information to the orginial poster. 23 useless posts and counting. Welcome to AR I know we need the post whore count to go up. Im sure you will be useful there.