No getting gains??

[rabidsquirrel]

maybe but youd think he gey some kind of gains. iknow a guy at the gym runs deca along and makes good gains. but anything is posibably

[reppedout1]

eat eat eat bro!!..try to have 6-7 meals spread out during the day,your body maximizes eah meal better that way,lots of steak,chicken breasts,sweet potatoes etc.gotta eat big to get big.pregnant chicks have to eat for 2 people and if your like me ya want to be the size of 2 people lol!...repped

[sitries]

your gear is fake. It sounds as though its just massively underdosed! hence ur still shutdown but uv had no gains. You would definately gain somwthing on that diet and dosage of gear.. probably at least 6-7pounds so far. eating more you would of doubled that weight gain at least.

[godkilla]

this is a shot in the dark, but i think your cycle is backwardz and it is screwing you up, your only doin 500mg a week of sust. to me which is a complete waste due to sust is to shot esters and 2 long so right there 1/2 that dose is thrown in the garbage cause 2 shots a week dont work for short esters, then your at 600mg a week on deca your nat test is down way down, thats why you force feed to eat, i bet you force to train also, you say u feel your nuts shrinking so its got to be workin, its not the sust. workin its the deca takin your natural test imo.which i think is takin your drive. my rule of thumb with sust is what ever you use with deca double that in test example being 300deca/600test. i like to run sust. like this 1 250mg shot a day for 3 weeks then 1000mg aweek for 7 more weeks with what ever im stacking it with. its heavy but your are getting the full amount out of the short esters and frontloading for the long esters, oh and get some vials man cause i always here things about those sachets

there is so much wrong with this statement i dont even know where to begin....... sust is a waste if your not shooting it ed and "1/2 that dose is thrown in the garbage"?! "deca is taking your nat test" . take twice as much sust as deca?! then you tell him to take almost 2grams of sust a week for 3 weeks and then back it down to a gram a week?! giving advice is one thing, but it snds to me like you just made this shit up on the spot.

[S431M7]

Yeah bro I get it. However, you said, "You need to workout a little more than average at least four to five days a week." Thats b.s. You dont grow more by going to the gym more. Do u get it?

you can workout daily if u would like but make sure u rotate or change your workout activities. For instance if u do squats, deadlife and leg press today; tomorrow switch to something else, say, biceps, miltary press and bench press. Everry day different exercise till u will lower your workout days to a mimimum of 3 days a week.

[domeyeahaigh]

BSN true mass...use this religously.

[domeyeahaigh]

Shit man, eat your dinner, have 3 scoops of true mass and also before bed..have fun gaining weight and strength.

[Second2None]

there is so much wrong with this statement i dont even know where to begin....... sust is a waste if your not shooting it ed and "1/2 that dose is thrown in the garbage"?! "deca is taking your nat test" . take twice as much sust as deca?! then you tell him to take almost 2grams of sust a week for 3 weeks and then back it down to a gram a week?! giving advice is one thing, but it snds to me like you just made this shit up on the spot.

lets step this out stop me when im wrong
1.does deca shut down nat. test.?

2.does susta have 2 short estes and 2 long?(4 of them): testosterone propionate - 30 mg, testosterone phenylpropionate - 60 mg, testosterone isocaproate - 60mg, and testosterone decanoate -100 mg.

3.Do the math double each of those compounds and that is enough per week on 500mg aweek. That is 60mg a WEEK, thats a low avg. for a day

4. 1750mg a week is a high dose for 1 compound but divde that into 4, that sound alittle bit more better to me

5. run prop by itself 30mg a week monday and friday and let me know how it works out

6.I never advised him "hey do it like this", i said this is what works for me
does this make sence now?:

[briancb1]

I think all that needs to be said, has been said.

[Johny-too-small]

you can workout daily if u would like

Again, I disagree. You cant grow until your CNS has recovered first. JMO.

[S431M7]

Yes, u can grow provided u read all the details I have given not the half-statement u quoted above.

[pr0digy9daniel]

Eat much much more, 4000-5000+ Calories if you need to, and I donno about sus but at those doses u should be making massive gains, if that was enanthate it would definately be... Make sure your gear is real too... If your not sure, try another source or get a lab test...

[Aussiemuscle]

have sourced checked with another memebr who has used same 20ml satchels and I have had blood test with GP and my balls are size raisens so am guess its ok

hey mate do your self a favour and throw that shit in the bin just like i did a week ago and save that scar tissue for some real gear i just finished a cycle
week 1-4 50mg diana
week 1-10 400mg deca
week 1-12 500mg sus
week 12-15 1000mg sus
i gained seven kilos in the first four weeks (dianabol) and the rest of the time i got jack shit i kept sticking a pin in my arse thinkin it was gonna kick in soon untill week 15 when i knew i was just kidding myself and threw it in the bin the diana was definaletly legit but as for the injectables ****en frog shit i didnt want to believe i had been scammed i was told by another member these advanced scammers are selectively scamming people "giving legit orals fake injectables real to some fake to others"would love to get my hands on that faggots neck i have since then ordered from **** and thats the only place i will order from from now on

[sms]

so if my nuts are raisens and Im not stacking on the pounds are theses advanced scammers the problem??

[Aussiemuscle]

so if my nuts are raisens and Im not stacking on the pounds are theses advanced scammers the problem??

was speaking to a member of another board and he told me he used them and got no gains at all so he had his blood work done and the doc said that his test was up slightly but nowhere near what it should be if he was taking the dose he was taking so i would assume it was extremely underdosed so maybe you have some underdosed gear too underdosed to give you gains but enough in there to shrink your balls get your blood work done mate

[pr0digy9daniel]

You are assuming that because your nuts are raisons that your gear is working, which is by no means a sound line of reasoning. Perhaps your test has virtually nothing in it but sterile oil and your deca is quite underdosed. Eitheer way, I would simply find another source and stop wasting my time and money on a cycle that isnt working. Food, whey and gym bills are expensive and id rather not put the work in for no results... Get some good gear and eat like a monster and get yourself some quality 10-15 pounds... If u doubt me, goto a lab and tell me your stuff is not underdosed. If you are getting those kind of doses of those steroids into your body, you will be gaining weight like mad...

[sms]

yeah I have had 2 bad experiences with 2 diff underground satchel labs i def have been advancd scammed! after getting source check from a memeber here I thought it would be legit but I am trainaing hard andnot gaining am absolutely shattered ! lost alot of money and have soar ass, as well as nuts like raisens so not happy! :-( and no decent source!

[Booz]

nothing wrong with his dosages at all mate,there is nothing set in stone that says test has to be ran higher at all.............
its his diet he is not eating nearly enough............
saying that how is your head?have you any issues that are affecting you at all?
any depression?are you stressed about anything?
if you are not focussed 100% your gear will do diddly squat.............

[bor]

nothing wrong with his dosages at all mate,there is nothing set in stone that says test has to be ran higher at all.............
its his diet he is not eating nearly enough............
saying that how is your head?have you any issues that are affecting you at all?
any depression?are you stressed about anything?
if you are not focussed 100% your gear will do diddly squat.............

agreed, i tried to comment on his diet, no response, and yes stress will fvck you up

[sms]

Bor,

I appreciatte the comment on my diet and am def going to jam some more calories in to me! am just a little concerned that the gear is underdosed and now have herd some bad feedback with the satchels and my strength isnt going throught the roof so am little confused ! I have been eatin more and have put on 2 kg in last week so I will keep up the calories! I figured at start maybe it was the letro and I was using too much and cuuting my gains due to that but I am only taking it 3 times wk at 0.02 but now am not so sure!

late last yr I did small cycle vet injectables deca50 drive and spectriol with liquidex at much lower doses and put on 5-6 kg in 6 wks and was feeling good but with satchel gear dont feel the same :-( guess I am little stressed as Im not growing

[sms]

I look at the twekas to the diet and will follow them and see how I go only prob I have is am in aust and no domestic source here without paying over the top prices howwever form past exp it maybe better to pay more for vet than sachets Im thinkin

[briancb1]

I look at the twekas to the diet and will follow them and see how I go only prob I have is am in aust and no domestic source here without paying over the top prices howwever form past exp it maybe better to pay more for vet than sachets Im thinkin

Its worth the extra $$ to get quality gear than to deal with non-sense and underdosed/bunk gear.... IMO you get what you pay for don't be cheap!

[sms]

I am agreeing with this from my bad experience! :-( unfortunately

[Second2None]

nothing wrong with his dosages at all mate,there is nothing set in stone that says test has to be ran higher at all.............
its his diet he is not eating nearly enough............
saying that how is your head?have you any issues that are affecting you at all?
any depression?are you stressed about anything?
if you are not focussed 100% your gear will do diddly squat.............

i agree with this, good post

[KrishnaConciousness]

bro your definatly not eating enough... my maintaining is almost twice that.... and what the hell is wit the skim milk... and tuna... eat some fats try whole milk and steaks... eat some chinese food... get some pizza... eat lots of carbs and up ur fats... eat eat eat eat... that is you problem

I agree. Try to eat more(especially during the day) Maybe more before and after your workout. Add some Potatoes- Fries or whole ones

[Ir0n]

this is a shot in the dark, but i think your cycle is backwardz and it is screwing you up, your only doin 500mg a week of sust. to me which is a complete waste due to sust is to shot esters and 2 long so right there 1/2 that dose is thrown in the garbage cause 2 shots a week dont work for short esters, then your at 600mg a week on deca your nat test is down way down, thats why you force feed to eat, i bet you force to train also, you say u feel your nuts shrinking so its got to be workin, its not the sust. workin its the deca takin your natural test imo.which i think is takin your drive. my rule of thumb with sust is what ever you use with deca double that in test example being 300deca/600test. i like to run sust. like this 1 250mg shot a day for 3 weeks then 1000mg aweek for 7 more weeks with what ever im stacking it with. its heavy but your are getting the full amount out of the short esters and frontloading for the long esters, oh and get some vials man cause i always here things about those sachets

Well noticed and good point.