19 y/o, Natural 215 lbs., More pics to come

[SDis623]

ur back is massive for being natural.. my advice would be stiff leg deads for ur lower back and calves seem to be lacking a little compared for ur upper legs

Very good advice, never really noticed the stiff leg deads.... hmmm verrry interesting !! Yeah Calves need work agreed. What would be your advice size wise on calves?

[Bradly1234]

calves tend to be that muscle that comes easy or hard, it really depends on the person. start 2x a week donkey calf raises and standing calf raises with a smith machine, use a step under your feet to get the whole range of motion.

[SDis623]

calves tend to be that muscle that comes easy or hard, it really depends on the person. start 2x a week donkey calf raises and standing calf raises with a smith machine, use a step under your feet to get the whole range of motion.

Well have to see how that goes next leg day. thanks for the heads up on those. i guess i would say my calves are the harder ones to gain

[SDis623]

Finally can update my picture. i have been working vigorously at my diet and training tweaking some things around a bit and here is how it is going!!

[Bradly1234]

also high weight high reps

[SDis623]

Need some recommendations, maybe someone can respond , i need some help!!!

[SDis623]

My Thread is dieing :-(

[lovinglife]

keep up the hard work

[SDis623]

as you can see... hopefuly the bloat is going to be gone forever!... critque at your will. it has been about a month since i last updated!!!

[BigGuy5420]

dude my chest does the exact same thing as yours. there are a few things that can help tighten your chest. be in the cold so your nipples are hard..............but seriously, do HIIT cardio for your upper body(ie punch a punching bag for 45 seconds then for 15 seconds go all out, then 45 about 50% then 15 sec all out. do this for 15-20 intervals about 3 times a week. Im telling you it will help lean out your chest. HIIT cardio is the only type that will actually create more ATP in your mitochondria not only creating a faster metabolism all day, but there are also studies out that it burns a higher percentage of adipose tissue in the area of exhaustion. so when you punch try to focus on using your chest muscle.

[SDis623]

dude my chest does the exact same thing as yours. there are a few things that can help tighten your chest. be in the cold so your nipples are hard..............but seriously, do HIIT cardio for your upper body(ie punch a punching bag for 45 seconds then for 15 seconds go all out, then 45 about 50% then 15 sec all out. do this for 15-20 intervals about 3 times a week. Im telling you it will help lean out your chest. HIIT cardio is the only type that will actually create more ATP in your mitochondria not only creating a faster metabolism all day, but there are also studies out that it burns a higher percentage of adipose tissue in the area of exhaustion. so when you punch try to focus on using your chest muscle.

Really??? Ive never tried an HIIT cardio before. it bothers me it is not as tight as i want it to be. maybe even once my bf keeps lowering ill take a look again at how it looks... agreed hard nips takes away the puffyness. i need to look into HIIT training

[BigGuy5420]

yea and there are other forms of upper body HIIT cardio, punching the bag is only one, if you dont have access to a bag you can do it in a pool,(hopefully one in your back yard because it might look a little weird). Or even do it on a elliptical(w/ handles) with the resistance on high and when you are going all out focus on pressing the handles away from you with your chest. just be creative and try to think about it.

[BigGuy5420]

oh yeah and dont worry, the average person wont notice "hints of gyno" so dont get caught up about it. we are our own worst critics.

[SDis623]

nice man yeah i dont have to worry about being in the cold because its already a high of ten today. ill try the eliptical when i get up to the gym. ive always been looking around to tighten my chest up. the mass is there now its just time to tighten up. im hoping with your advice plus my cut in april ill see better results this time around!

[Timm1704]

look great dude, especially for your age, great back and traps. Get better leg pics taken, they look like they are nice and thick, but the angle of the shot is bad and makes your calfs look non-existent. Find C-Binos gyno guide, somewhere in the stickys, think its the AAS forum

[SDis623]

look great dude, especially for your age, great back and traps. Get better leg pics taken, they look like they are nice and thick, but the angle of the shot is bad and makes your calfs look non-existent. Find C-Binos gyno guide, somewhere in the stickys, think its the AAS forum

Wow Timm that clears it up a ton. ill have to look for posts of people who have tried a reverse gyno and had success... Seeing as I have not run any anabolics yet i am also wondering will it have the same affect on pubesant gyno??? Ok let me go get you some leg pics!

[SDis623]

Still not as good as i wanted them!!! oh well tell me if they are ok

[Timm1704]

here you go http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

[SDis623]

Timm these are taken with a cell phone as you can tell.... looks like i need to upgrade to a webcam.... these arent doing me any justice

[Timm1704]

looking very good dude, ul be a true beast within afew years. A friend of mine used arimidex, 1mg ED for afew weeks and within days of using, his gyno (which was from AAS, and alot worse than yours) cleared right up! Obviously it will very likely come back if and when he cycles again, or if there is some kind of hormonal shift in his body, but, did the trick and we were both amazed.

As for how to treat pubesal gyno, i would imagine it would be the same way as steroid-related, as really it is exactly the same cause (higher estrogen levels)

[SDis623]

So what do you think then. Arimidex or Letro which shuts down estrogen harder 90 some almost 100% shutdown. What do you think Timm...

[perfectbeast2001]

looking good there buddy...

[SDis623]

looking good there buddy...

Hey thanks man... do you have any good advice for me with this topic?!

[SDis623]

Or anyone else have input... I dont know how many people out there have tried to get rid of puberty gyno without surgery...

[yamaha145]

like the back and traps.
good job, keep up the hard work!

[chaosmarley]

hemroid cream is also used to get fat kids into the military rub all over mid section and wrap with plastic and sleep over night and you can lose 3 inches of water

[rmcfar]

i think letro will be a bit too powerful in your case man. Shutting your estrogen off completely is not a great idea. Also letro has some pretty nasty sides.

Try what timm said and get some arimidex, its not nearly as harsh on your body.

[SDis623]

finally some input! i am 100% agreeing with you. i have been reading. if this works i will have few to thank :-) rm timm