Fist time D-bol and Winny

[Dave1622]

Anyways Thanks for the Advice Dupa95
I But I don’t think someone who looks like they have more than 30%BF and decide to do a DBOL cycle is the type of person I want advice from about Lean MASS

[Amorphic]

Anyways Thanks for the Advice Dupa95
I But I don’t think someone who looks like they have more than 30%BF and decide to do a DBOL cycle is the type of person I want advice from about Lean MASS

yeah because he really has 30% bf

[Johny-too-small]

Anyways Thanks for the Advice Dupa95
I But I don’t think someone who looks like they have more than 30%BF and decide to do a DBOL cycle is the type of person I want advice from about Lean MASS

Why dont you post some pics, newb?
Show some respect.

[BodyByAAS]

Dbols and winny???

[DSM4Life]

Now run back to the drawing board. We will all meet back here in another 2 years to check on your status.

[Dave1622]

I will post pics when done

All I'm saying is I'm not the one with 30% + BF going on other peoples forms and bashing them just to sound like I know what I’m talking about with little comments like "" need to do more reading or newb only 33 postings"

If you wanna Help PLZ good or bad no problem
Just asking for explanations

And running winny with DBOL will lower my water retention

[DSM4Life]

I will post pics when done

All I'm saying is I'm not the one with 30% + BF going on other peoples forms and bashing them just to sound like I know what I’m talking about with little comments like "" need to do more reading or newb only 33 postings"

If you wanna Help PLZ good or bad no problem
Just asking for explanations

And running winny with DBOL will lower my water retention

Whats you age ? stats ? cycle experience ?

[Dave1622]

Stats
25 years old
5’11
190 lbs
33’’ Waist
17’’ Arms
BF% is around 12- 13

[DSM4Life]

Stats
25 years old
5’11
190 lbs
33’’ Waist
17’’ Arms
BF% is around 12- 13

cycle experience ?

[Dave1622]

3 years ago did Winny
Last year did Clen (Didn’t really do much for me better results with ECA)
And since found the best way to lose weight is Diet and been really trying hard to lose weight and I did, I was 215 and now 190

And now I really just want to have a nice lean shape don’t care about being big
The thing is like I said a pro trainer gave me all the info and recommended I do Winny and Dbol

[legobricks]

Most pro trainers are garbage anyways. There are a lot of old school trainers that go by old school ways which have been proven to be not as effective as the ways to run gear today. Traiining and diet have kept the same but the usage of AAS and other hormones have def. changed. We are NOT going to spell out your diet for you but I will provide a link that will give you a diet for gaining lean mass that you can use and tweak it to your liking.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=39010

If you search thru the diet forum youll def. find that there is lots of advice on how to diet, cutting, gaining lean mass, or all out bulking. I understand you want to gain lean mass. Dbol contratry to what your "pro-trainer" said is normally used for bulking. You will most likely blow up like a water balloon unless you have proper ancilleries on hand while on this cycle. Have you read up on AI's and SERMS? Have you also read up on PCT? If so you would know that 1 shot of HCG is not sufficient at all for bringing you back to normal. Check out this link for PCT.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=255196

Now if you were here reading, reading, and doing more reading then you would already know where to find these links and how to run a proper cycle and PCT. You will gain more out of a 12 week test cycle then out of the cycle you proposed. If you are dead set on gaining lean mass you could go with Test pProp as you dont gain much water weight at all and its a fast acting AAS that will start working for you pretty quick. I would not really listen to your "pro trainer" as you have stated because he may not know how to do things the right way. All of us are giving you advice from personal experience that has been tried and proven. Blowing us off will not get you anywhere so listen, ask questions, suck information and most of all be polite as we are happy to give advice to someone who is willing to learn and listen.

[Dave1622]

Thanks man appreciate it

I haven’t started yet and really wanted to get some feedback on what you all think
I do respect the people like you a lot for your honesty

I will do some more reading
Thanks

[RANA]

Holy shit, I can't believe this shit. Oh my post count also went up by one

[Atomini]

[RANA]

I agree

[kostakv]

????

[kostakv]

oh haha got me a little worried there

[kostakv]

thought i was a guru on these steroid things for a second