Shoulder, dont know whats wrong!

[RoaringMad Mac]

Boxer I am in the same boat as you sorta, Mine is on the left shoulder. I went and did the first xrays this morning and I am waiting to do the MRI. From what the Dr. told me I have IArthritis and bone spurs from the first look. I had a choice to start off with Rehab but I told him I had already been down that route and he understood telling me my next option was to go in orthoscopic. and shave away the bone spurs and some of the arthritis.


I will see how far this goes, I imagine I will have to have the surgery.

barondumonde,

Thanks for posting that advice. I have heard that over the years that inflammitories are not the answer. Just to get this correct you are saying that after the surgery to not do the icing they want you to do or take inflammetory type medications. Right. Heat and light exercise is the key here as I am to understand it.

[barondumonde]

Boxer I am in the same boat as you sorta, Mine is on the left shoulder. I went and did the first xrays this morning and I am waiting to do the MRI. From what the Dr. told me I have IArthritis and bone spurs from the first look. I had a choice to start off with Rehab but I told him I had already been down that route and he understood telling me my next option was to go in orthoscopic. and shave away the bone spurs and some of the arthritis.


I will see how far this goes, I imagine I will have to have the surgery.

barondumonde,

Thanks for posting that advice. I have heard that over the years that inflammitories are not the answer. Just to get this correct you are saying that after the surgery to not do the icing they want you to do or take inflammetory type medications. Right. Heat and light exercise is the key here as I am to understand it.

Well, personally I wouldn't go through surgery unless I were about to die, or unless I was in so much pain that I would feel killing myself.

As I don't know that much about what will happen after surgery, I am going to refrain from making any suggestions as to the use of ICE or anti-inflammatories after surgery. But here are a few things that I do know:

1. ICE reduces bloodflow to the area, and healing can only take place if the essential immune system cells, microphages, fibroblasts, and other important components reach the area. So one would want that blood flow be increased (therefore, you would need to apply heat), NOT diminished (which is what ICE does).
2. Anti-inflammatories get rid of the inflammation in the area, but inflammation is the body's way of getting essential healing factors into a joint, as joints don't have very good blood flow. Therefore, taking anti-inflammatories actually reduces healing because anti-inflammatories don't allow the healing to occur.
3. Inflammation is not Inflammation, which is not the same as Inflammation. What do I mean by this? --There are different kinds of inflammation. Some actually do damage to your tissues, and others are beneficial. Most athletic joint injuries result in positive inflammation. The bad kinds of inflammation usually result from bowel disorders and hormonal imbalances.

[So why do doctors prescribe ICE and anti-inflammatories? Because they've been trained to "reduce pain" and give patients quick fixes to try and reduce symptoms. ICE and anti-inflammatories reduce the pain that accompanies inflammation, but reduce healing. Guess what happens to all those joints eventually?

That's right--they get so ****ed over that doctors then move onto giving cortisone shots, which further **** your joints up even though the pain will be reduced for a few months, and then you have to come in again for another shot, and another, until your joints are so ****ed over that you have arthritis, your muscles around the area begin to tighten up to try and stabilize the joint, and your orthopod begins talking about surgery for a joint replacement.]

And why don't your joints heal? --because of their shitty blood flow. Whereas muscles heal in something like a few days to a few weeks, joint repair is a multi-phase process that takes MONTHS, and even YEARS. This is because joints have SHITTY bloodflow. The inflammation that results from a joint injury is your body trying to get in there and get the repair process going. Often times, the joint will never fully heal at all--every sprained an ankle? have you ever wondered why your ankle keeps getting sprained even after the ankle has "healed?" -- Because your ankle never fully healed in the first place!

SO WHAT DOES THIS LEAVE US WITH? Well, first off, it made me really depressed over the last few years because I learned all this when it was too late. The best you can do is light exercise, heat, nutrition, good hormones (HGH will help), and good sleep. Now, wait a good many months/years until it heals.

[boxer08]

Ive still got my anti-inflammatories which i choose not to use, but iv'e got a funny feeling that they are soon going to give me a cortisone shot. Should i avoid this aslo. Its just annoying me that the doctor just wants to give pain relivers and nsaid rather than getting down to the bottom of them problem then treat it.

[boxer08]

I cant even get an mri i might be having a x-ray i will find tommorow from the phsyio. Did the dotor find that out by looking at the x-ray results.

[RoaringMad Mac]

From what he was able to tell from the xrays that what he told me. The MRI he said is just for looking deeper into the soft tissue and making a better judgement on what I needed.