Dick Cheney "So?"

[thegodfather]

Actually, Cheney is exactly right on this. He wasn't very tactful but he's still right. The founding fathers of the United States warned against a pure democracy. The U.S. was not founded to be a democracy...it was founded to be a constitutional republic. The words democracy weren't even found in a presidential speech until the 1920's. True leadership does not mean following the whims of the masses. In fact, the term democrat was originally a slang term meaning "follows the whims of the ignorant masses." Leadership often means making tough decisions....even unpopular ones.

also referred to as the "tyranny of the majority..." and I believe it was Aristotle who referred to Democracy as a "mob rule."

[pumpd4lif]

Now... are you the leader? Are you going to change the WORLD? Because to me looks like you are just another talker...

...talk is cheap.. do something and stop bragging about it. You are telling me that I just sit here, but you are no different... you started it, well then there MUST be a plan!

Where is the plan captain? You gotta have it at least half way ready? Do you? What is the plan of attack sir?!

I didn't say that I gave in, I just need a leader...

sry my friend u are proving nothing by being negative,and yes
i am doing my part as there is a march in dc in june and me and my wife plan to be there...It all has to happen some were!Now that i have told u a little of what i am doing what is it that you are doing besides being negative?I really dont understand ur negative behavior,do u need guidance,or u just arent sure how to help urself?I cant understand why u would have such a piss poor atitude,there are plenty of people out there doing there part on what they believe in and i am going to do as much as i can to help or better anybody around me.

[CSAR]

Although I dislike our POTUS and VPOTUS and disagree with the largely falsified reasons for invading Iraq, as a Gulf vet with lots of buds in the special ops community over there now, I hope we get the country relatively stabilized (100% may be unattainable) with the Iraqis able to govern themselves. My friends have their complaints, but all are enjoying themselves doing what they were trained to do. To a man, they all say they want to stay and get things sorted out as best they can before pulling out. And in complete honesty, I wish I were over there with them.

[Panzerfaust]

Although I dislike our POTUS and VPOTUS and disagree with the largely falsified reasons for invading Iraq, as a Gulf vet with lots of buds in the special ops community over there now, I hope we get the country relatively stabilized (100% may be unattainable) with the Iraqis able to govern themselves. My friends have their complaints, but all are enjoying themselves doing what they were trained to do. To a man, they all say they want to stay and get things sorted out as best they can before pulling out. And in complete honesty, I wish I were over there with them.

They only think this way because they have no chocie and they need to feel justified for being there. It is a complete farce and even worse if they believe that shithole can be stabilized.

It's a damn shame our boys are being sent there to die for a lie. Oh and $$$$$

[Atomini]

im packin my bags. who's wit me ?? i know atomini is goin to the netherlands and murilo is goin to germany. im goin to brazil

I'd like to actually go to Mars or somewhere where I can live by myself with NOBODY to bug me and tell me what I can and can't do, but you know, can't do that yet lol. So i'll settle for the Netherlands for now.

[CSAR]

Well, that's not entirely fair Murilo, because several of them re-upped after a tour or multiple tours. They had a choice to get out and go make some serious $$$ working for the PMCs, which some did. Bottom line is, they love what they do and they're happy. Most guys at the higher end of the spectrum could care less whether or not the "war" is a lie. They're like pit bulls, happiest when fighting. Keep in mind that I'm talking about guys who are professional warriors and not the "I didn't sign up for this" type of guy. Just my opinion, but anyone who joins the military without knowing what the military does is naive.

I definitely agree w/ you on the whole "Our government is fvcked. Cheney is a POS". No argument there, but I'll diverge on the military side of things.


“I consider myself blessed with the best things a man could hope for. My childhood is something I’ll always treasure. My family is the reason I’m the person I am today. They supported and cared for me in the best way possible.”

“The Navy, although I sacrificed personal freedom and many other things, I got just as much as I gave. My time in the Teams was special. For all the times I was cold, wet, tired, sore, scared, hungry and angry, I had a blast. The bad was balanced equally with the good.”

“All the times spent in the company of my teammates was when I felt the closest to the men I had the privilege to work with. I loved being a SEAL. If I died doing something for the Teams, then I died doing what made me happy. Very few people have the luxury of that.”

Neil Roberts

[goodcents]

Yeah that was a really good program, We all view lincoln as some sort of civil rights all people equal kind of guy but he certainly had some extreme tactics to get what he wanted done.

Another history buffWhen lincoln was getting his ass handed to him then he becomes the great freer of menHe reminds me of bush, first he declares himself dictator (sp?) declares war for one cause and then pops up another cause when that one didn't fly. History hides the liesHonest abe

[MuscleScience]

Another history buffWhen lincoln was getting his ass handed to him then he becomes the great freer of menHe reminds me of bush, first he declares himself dictator (sp?) declares war for one cause and then pops up another cause when that one didn't fly. History hides the liesHonest abe

Yeah man I am a history nut, I have a pretty nice home library of books. It makes it so easy to talk about modern day politics and world events if you have a firm grasp of history. You can almost tell the future if you know the past. Because practically everyone forgets history and most seem that it has no relevance to today.

This is one of my favorite quotes about history.

"History is a vast early warning system."

Norman Cousins

[Lexed]

He is just mad at the world because his name is dick

[goodcents]

Yeah man I am a history nut, I have a pretty nice home library of books. It makes it so easy to talk about modern day politics and world events if you have a firm grasp of history. You can almost tell the future if you know the past. Because practically everyone forgets history and most seem that it has no relevance to today.

This is one of my favorite quotes about history.

"History is a vast early warning system."

Norman Cousins

History channel watcher? I get them on netflix now since they rape me for cable where I live

[MuscleScience]

History channel watcher? I get them on netflix now since they rape me for cable where I live

Every night, I also watch a lot of PBS when they have specials on. Like when they had Ken Burns Civil War.