!! NOLVADEX Killed my Cycle !!

[gangers]

lets see if ive got this right use 6 oxo during cycle and use nolva after cycle.

is that right?????

[Elias]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880
have a look at this...i really thinks its helpful

[roid_rage]

I dont see how 10 mg. nolva would kill your cycle... more likely it was your gear, food or training...

[Kratos]

Total crap, someone sold you fake gear most likely. Estrogen is way over rated. I use letro like every cycle.

[roid_rage]

Total crap, someone sold you fake gear most likely. Estrogen is way over rated. I use letro like every cycle.

hell yeah... I rather 100.000 times lose some gains, than being walking with a couple of tits... **** it...

[mistergodbody]

LOL the gear isnt fake! its a guy we all know>>>> shop !! I doubt his stuff is fake....

[gixxerboy1]

LOL the gear isnt fake! its a guy we all know>>>> ' !! I doubt his stuff is fake....

edit where you got it from. And that really doesnt mean anything

[mistergodbody]

gixxerboy1....i shouldn't think of 'you know who' as reputable?? i edited it my last post.....he's always come through great...and all of my friend blow up from all his products...but this time around i might have overdone it with the nolva. ONEEEEE thing i left out...i hope you guys dont flip....is that i was also doing adex .25mg EOD ....did i overdo it???

[BloodyBillAnderson]

gixxerboy1....i shouldn't think of 'you know who' as reputable?? i edited it my last post.....he's always come through great...and all of my friend blow up from all his products...but this time around i might have overdone it with the nolva. ONEEEEE thing i left out...i hope you guys dont flip....is that i was also doing adex .25mg EOD ....did i overdo it???

I am using 700mg test and 400mg deca a week and i add .25mcg adex from day 1. it has been 4 weeks and no sides yet. on a previous short cycle I got tender nips so I say better safe than sorry

[MASTER]

Ive never done a cycle without nolva (or some kind of ai) throughout and probably never will. Nolva is a serm, not some kind of ultra catabolic super villain. You either have a rubbish diet or underdosed/fake gear.

[mistergodbody]

with all due respect MastaAce, since you've never done a cycle without nolvadex then you really can't tell the difference on a cycle with nolvadex and doing a cycle without nolvadex.....correct? My diet was on point and the gear is legit...I've seen great gains on a cycle without nolvadex....this is the first cycle that i did nolva throughout the whole cycle....and i saw a big difference. But i mentioned before that i was also doing arimidex .25mg EOD. So, im thinkin with taking both during a cycle it was overkill.

[MASTER]

With all due respect I also had no problems with gains on any cycle, but yes change to an ai if you like. You may have noticed I didnt say i had never done a cycle without nolva, I said id never done one without nolva or an ai. Perhaps I shouldve been more specific and said ive never done a cycle without an anti-e.

[mistergodbody]

do you think going nolva 10mgs ED and arimidex .25mgs EOD was overkill? Don't get me wrong I looked good and dry...no water retention but I feel it took away from my pumps ...and my muscles wouldnt feel as swollen.

[one8nine]

users finally started listening to the experienced guys

my pct
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

[dirtyvegas]

Dude that pisses me off, everyone and there momma on this site and tons others were sayin take nolva, take nolva, @10mg ed DURING cylce and bump it to 30-60mg ed if it got real bad and if that didnt work they suggested Letro or a dex. That could possibly explain my whole problem on my 2nd cycle and i couldnt figure out for hell what the problem was. still got some small lump but it receded alot and is not noticable, but if freakin hurts like hell. considering the doc next.

[dirtyvegas]

I was thinkin everyone on everysite sayin the same thing must be true,so i fugured thats how all this is done, and i went with it. In such a short period of time everything flipped upside down. **** that sucks

[one8nine]

that sucks maybe do some research on your own next time instead of asking a lot of people just repeating information
by my own research i found out letro is best medically
plus logic dictates why would you block estrogen from attaching when you can prevent its creation? plus letro has an impact on pgr
nolva hinders gains on cycle because its too catabolic, it prevents breakdown of uscle to the point it cant rebuild bigger