Transgender..

[Tock]

Excellent post thank you. Some people (Like Amorphic) are in denial that there are absolutes and also...Right and wrong.

The #1 unforgivable sin is pushing one's own opinion of Religious Absolutes on other people who do not share those opinions.
The #2 unforgivable sin is forcing those religious opinions on someone else.

[Johnny_Rotten]

DSM,

don't accuse me of being 'that guy' who claims not to hate gay people just because i have a gay friend.

I've always stuck up for gay people, i live in a small town & one time a couple of my friends wanted to bash this gay guy simply cos he was gay. I told them if they touched him then i'd be hitting every single one of them.

It made me furious that they simply wanted to beat the life out of this guy just cos he was gay.

Another time i was in a club & these 3 guys were calling this other guy (who was very feminine) a 'Poofter'. I stuck up for him also & as a result nearly got my head kicked in by these lads.

Look i'm not trying to bignote myself or come across as some sort of saint. Just don't accuse me of being a closet homophobe or whatever because i've never discriminated against gay people & have always respected their rights.

We all bleed red brother & that's what matters to me. I'm not interested in being liked by everybody, alot of people think i'm an asshole & i don't like alot of people, but if i dislike you then it's because i don't respect the person you are, not because of who you choose to sleep with.

[Dicknang]

I would have no problems dating a transgendered person, nor would I have any issues telling my friends/family about it.

I think transgendered have a reputation in society for being mentally unstable. I don't think transgendered humans are any less mentally stable than anyone else. Except for the fact that they experience alot of discrimination throughout life, probably causing mental disorders that wouldn't exist otherwise.

Trangendered people have had characteristics pertaining to the opposite sex at a very young age.

Here's an interesting documentary about children undergoing HRT:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Utpam0IGYac
The children seem to have differences at a very young age (3 years old) compared to others from the same sex.

I watched all five of those videos, they were actually very moving. It seems to me that the world just gets more and more complicated every day. I wonder why?

[DeputyLoneWolf]

The #1 unforgivable sin is pushing one's own opinion of Religious Absolutes on other people who do not share those opinions.
The #2 unforgivable sin is forcing those religious opinions on someone else.

So where did you get these "unforgivable sins" from?

I am curious.

[Amorphic]

Excellent post thank you. Some people (Like Amorphic) are in denial that there are absolutes and also...Right and wrong.

uhhh, i clarified in my last post in this thread.

learn how to comprehend what i am saying before you accuse me of not knowing about absolutes or morality.

[Amorphic]

spywizard just took what i said out of context. the thread was about transgendered people, not child molestors.

obviously criminals need to be punished and child molestation etc are some of the worst crimes that can be committed.

back to the original topic: while some peoples sexual fantasies/lifestyle choises may make others uncomfortable, if they are not dangerous/damaging to society then there is nothing wrong with what they do in their private lives.

clear enough for you deputylonewolf?

[DeputyLoneWolf]

The #1 unforgivable sin is pushing one's own opinion of Religious Absolutes on other people who do not share those opinions.
The #2 unforgivable sin is forcing those religious opinions on someone else.

They are not "Religious Absolutes" and opinions but rather moral absolutes. Without them society would crumble and total anarchy would ensue.

Don't agree, thats cool. Just don't try to push your opinions of tolerance and what should be embraced on me.

[DSM4Life]

DSM,

don't accuse me of being 'that guy' who claims not to hate gay people just because i have a gay friend.

I've always stuck up for gay people, i live in a small town & one time a couple of my friends wanted to bash this gay guy simply cos he was gay. I told them if they touched him then i'd be hitting every single one of them.

It made me furious that they simply wanted to beat the life out of this guy just cos he was gay.

Another time i was in a club & these 3 guys were calling this other guy (who was very feminine) a 'Poofter'. I stuck up for him also & as a result nearly got my head kicked in by these lads.

Look i'm not trying to bignote myself or come across as some sort of saint. Just don't accuse me of being a closet homophobe or whatever because i've never discriminated against gay people & have always respected their rights.

We all bleed red brother & that's what matters to me. I'm not interested in being liked by everybody, alot of people think i'm an asshole & i don't like alot of people, but if i dislike you then it's because i don't respect the person you are, not because of who you choose to sleep with.

I wasn't calling you a homophobe, just pointing out that just because you have a gay friend doesn't mean that you can't be one.

Glad to see you stuck up for a perfect stranger when your friends wanted to be immature @-holes.

i didn't know that people actually used the word 'Poofter'. I recently came across that work in a book i was reading

[Diary of a Mad-man]

One time, this "friend of mine" was "tricked" by a "lady" when he was 22 years old after celebrating with his friends who were leaving the country. He then stuck a loaded .30-06 to her/his head, and told her to silently get the **** out and to take her non-lady-boy friends (who were downstairs partying with everyone else). We were with a group of women and they all knew this one woman had a secret.

This was not because he was homophobic or didnt like gay people. It was because

1. He didnt want his friends to stop talking to him
2. He didnt want any girls to know in his tight-knit community, thus cutting off his ***** supply.
3. He didnt want ANYBODY in his tight-knit community to know, since he lives in the same town for 20 years and regularly sees people he went to school with, and rumors would be abound.
4. He didnt know that this horrible scenario ACTUALLY happened unless you were in NY or LA etc.

Just because you can pull off looking like a woman, doesnt mean its smart to try. My "friends" mind was put through a gauntlet of confusion and anger, which could have turned into a Jenny Jones episode. That rifle would have been pretty loud in an apartment bedroom.

In retrospect, if you are drunk as shit and a 35 year old asian woman wants to blow you and her friends are cheering her on, something could be wrong here. Just say no.

[BigLittleTim]

i didnt know it was illegeal to have gay sex (i'm not gay and i'm still doubtful of this, its definately looked down upon, but criminalization of it? wow.....)

Gay sex was illegal in most of the 50 United States as recently as the 1970's.
Your name would be published in the police record, imprisoned in a regular jail or psychiatric hospital, chemically castrated (estrogen), and even lobotomized... all for having consentual sex with another adult homosexual man.

The majority of the laws in the puritanical U.S.A. are aimed at regulating or banning "sin", ie: gambling, sex, drugs, prostitution, steroids, liquor, etc. where the "perp" is a consenting adult who has reached the age of reason.

Being a white, upper middle-class, christian, muscular young male, I probably could have ended up looking down on blacks, women, the poor, weaklings, jews, and all the rest. Being gay, being "the other", has probably saved me from being a completely entitled asshole.

Maybe being a steroid outlaw who "just wants to do what I want to do with my OWN body, without a bunch of nannys coming around and forcing their puritanical opinions on ME when I'm not hurting anybody" has enlightened a few of us about "live and let live."

Anyway... back to the show...

-BigLittleTim

[Diary of a Mad-man]

Being a white, upper middle-class, christian, muscular young male, I probably could have ended up looking down on blacks, women, the poor, weaklings, jews, and all the rest. Being gay, being "the other", has probably saved me from being a completely entitled asshole.

Hey now, I know what you are saying, but us white, upper middle-class, christian, muscular young males that aren't gay dont automatically hate everyone else, or are born with an asshole gene.

My best friend is a black, lower class, poor weakling Muslim woman! ok I made that up, we are all assholes.

[BigLittleTim]

Obviously I don't hang out in straight bars much (I'm the muscular gay guy your girlfriend is getting damp over.) but I can't imagine many transexuals trying to fool straight guys into taking them home and then springing their cookie on him.

I was under the impression that trannys usually keep to special clubs or bars where it's understood that many of the chicks are either pre- or post-op transexuals. "Jacques" cabaret in Boston is a good example. Lots of tranny's and drag queens in the show, and most of the patrons are either girls on a bachelorette party, "swinger" straight couples, or "straight" guys who can only reconcile what they want with their sense of "moral absolutes" by picking up a guy who's done up as a girl.

A self-identified straight guy who was a regular patron of "Playland" and who was well known by the "girls" who worked there, and was a bit of a lecherous creep as well, took a male-to-female transexual home with him, blew a ton of c*****e with her, had sex multiple times, and then smothered her to death when he "discovered she was a he." He shows up in court with his "tranny panic" defense and a "mother-may-I" look on his 30 year old little boy face. There was NO WAY he didn't know what he was getting when he left that club.

Link to story: http://www.gendertalk.com/articles/archive/globcp.shtml

I'm not saying that it NEVER could happen... some "girls" might be pretty desperate or cocky (no pun intended) and go out trying to pass themselves off as a genetic woman... but I don't think it's the common frat-house horror story of urban legend we're making it out to be.

-BigLittleTim

[BigLittleTim]

My best friend is a black, lower class, poor weakling Muslim woman!

I KNOW her!

She is SO homophobic!!

-BigLittleTim

[TJM7275]

Whatever makes them happy, whether it be Gays, transgender whatever. Life is to short to spend time hating people. Were all humanbeings and they should be treated as such. I don't know any transgender people but I do know a couple gay guys. I really don't look at them any differently and in fact my buddy Mike is flamboyantly gay and when my girl and I go out with him its a blast. He's funny as hell and does not care what anyone thinks. Just my 2cents

[nameuser]

A self-identified straight guy who was a regular patron of "Playland" and who was well known by the "girls" who worked there, and was a bit of a lecherous creep as well, took a male-to-female transexual home with him, blew a ton of c*****e with her, had sex multiple times, and then smothered her to death when he "discovered she was a he." He shows up in court with his "tranny panic" defense and a "mother-may-I" look on his 30 year old little boy face. There was NO WAY he didn't know what he was getting when he left that club.

Link to story: "http://www.gendertalk.com/articles/archive/globcp.shtml"

That's so depressing. He was probably scared of people finding out he slept with a transsexual. If you're with the wrong group of people that could be disastrous.
I have a movie on my hard drive called "Soldier's girl", it's about a US soldier who starts dating a transsexual. Another man in his squadron disapproves of it, and murders him. It is based on a true story.

[Diary of a Mad-man]

I'm not saying that it NEVER could happen... some "girls" might be pretty desperate or cocky (no pun intended) and go out trying to pass themselves off as a genetic woman... but I don't think it's the common frat-house horror story of urban legend we're making it out to be.

-BigLittleTim

This person had to be insane.......It was a group of 30-40 year olds who worked together....they met us up at a dirty, dusty, irish pool haul. Not a cabaret. We were not the gay looking type. The co-workers thought it was funy I guess, could have got their friend f-d up.

[VisceralReaction]

Obviously I don't hang out in straight bars much (I'm the muscular gay guy your girlfriend is getting damp over.)

I love your modesty

[wilson9d]

like my opinion on everything else i dont care

[DeputyLoneWolf]

clear enough for you deputylonewolf?

But the problem is these acts are dangerous to society whether you want to admit it or not. For example a gay man is 90% more prone to aquire AIDS because of the Much higher numbers of sexual partners. And the problem is this can and DOES affect the rest of us.

Example: Higher number of people infected with AIDS = higher health care costs for the rest of us.

Another example:

A homosexual man has had lets be conservative and say; 50 partners and contracts HIV. He is in a traffic accidnet and I am first on scene. I give him first aid and get blood on my self and risk exposure. That does affect me/medical personell. Also I am a lot more cautious when dealing with homosexual individuals because they are a lot more likely to have aquired HIV/AIDS. Also from my own experience homosexual domestic violence calls are much more violent than that of straight couples.

These are a few examples and just to clarify it I DO NOT HATE HOMOSEXUALS. I simply do not agree with what they do and do not condone it.

[green22]

Just curious, who here IS gay????? Other than DSM??

[DSM4Life]

Just curious, who here IS gay????? Other than DSM??

How did u guess i was gay ?

[green22]

How did u guess i was gay ?

LOL!!!!you crazy bastard you. LOL!!!!!!!!!

[BigLittleTim]

I'm gay.

I DO NOT HATE COPS. I simply do not agree with what they do and do not condone it.

[BigLittleTim]

Joke:
A woman leaves a bar in the afternoon after having a few too many drinks.
She gets in her car and starts to drive home.
A few minutes later she's pulled over by a cop who slowly walks up to her car.

Cop: Ma'am. Do you know why I'm standing here today?

Woman: You got all C's in highschool?

[nameuser]

Just curious, who here IS gay????? Other than DSM??

I have the gay disease, i feel special.

These are a few examples and just to clarify it I DO NOT HATE HOMOSEXUALS. I simply do not agree with what they do and do not condone it.

It seems that you have more of a problem with promiscuity than homosexuality, am i right?

While I agree promiscuity is high in homosexuals, this is not the case for all of them.
50 partners for a homosexual is a bit extreme. Probably homosexuals which are more visible in society are the more promiscuis ones.
I am 23 years old and only had 1 sexual experience, I believe in monogamy.

[skitz1]

Just because you have a gay person as a "friend" doesn't mean you like gay people.

Why? Are you saying gay people are so substantially different that they're classed as being their own kind of people?

If this fella has friends that are gay, and he said friends, not friend, which makes it plural then obviously he likes these gay people. I'm not sure whether you said that just for the sake of saying it but I don't see what's so difficult to understand. He has friends that are gay and he obviously likes them. He's overlooked the fact that they're of a different sexuality and just classes them as people.

How do you identify when someone actually 'likes gay people', is there some kind of secret handshake?

[dupa95]

Why? Are you saying gay people are so substantially different that they're classed as being their own kind of people?

If this fella has friends that are gay, and he said friends, not friend, which makes it plural then obviously he likes these gay people. I'm not sure whether you said that just for the sake of saying it but I don't see what's so difficult to understand. He has friends that are gay and he obviously likes them. He's overlooked the fact that they're of a different sexuality and just classes them as people.

How do you identify when someone actually 'likes gay people', is there some kind of secret handshake?

Good point!!

[dupa95]

I hope No on takes THAT out of context and goes crying to admin!

[green22]

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These are a few examples and just to clarify it I DO NOT HATE HOMOSEXUALS. I simply do not agree with what they do and do not condone it.[/QUOTE]

These are LoneWolf's words not mine.

[nameuser]

sorry, changed it

[DeputyLoneWolf]

I'm gay.

I DO NOT HATE COPS. I simply do not agree with what they do and do not condone it.

LOL good one. Touche (if thats hos its spelled I got all C's...lol)

[DeputyLoneWolf]

I have the gay disease, i feel special.



It seems that you have more of a problem with promiscuity than homosexuality, am i right?

While I agree promiscuity is high in homosexuals, this is not the case for all of them.
50 partners for a homosexual is a bit extreme. Probably homosexuals which are more visible in society are the more promiscuis ones.
I am 23 years old and only had 1 sexual experience, I believe in monogamy.

Yes you are right. I do have a problem with it. My sister is a social worker and she was telling me that if she could stop one problem in todays world that it would be premarital sex. She had a very good point considering the number of sexually transmitted diseases/unwanted pregnancies/abortions/cost of single moms on welfare for life.

Thank you for a good question instead of just bashing for my beliefs.

[Tock]

a gay man is 90% more prone to aquire AIDS because of the Much higher numbers of sexual partners.

This is sheer stupidity.

A small % of gay men are promiscuous, as are a small % of heterosexual men.

Example: Higher number of people infected with AIDS = higher health care costs for the rest of us.

So what would you propose? Tell ALL gay people to stop having sex?

Truth is, lots more heterosexuals have AIDS than do gays. (I can't beleive some people, in 2008, still don't know that)

A homosexual man has had lets be conservative and say; 50 partners

So, now you're saying that it's typical for gay men to have over 50 sex partners?

Tell me how you came across this bit of information . . . or did your ----- imagination just make it up?

[Tock]

Just curious, who here IS gay????? Other than DSM??

Me me me me me me me me!!!!!!!!!!

[Diary of a Mad-man]

Yes you are right. I do have a problem with it. My sister is a social worker and she was telling me that if she could stop one problem in todays world that it would be premarital sex. She had a very good point considering the number of sexually transmitted diseases/unwanted pregnancies/abortions/cost of single moms on welfare for life.

Thank you for a good question instead of just bashing for my beliefs.

Im sure if your sister sat down for a second and thought it out, she could find a problem larger than premarital sex. Not saying premarital sex is a good thing.

I think of so many screwed up MARRIED couples that dont take care of their 16 kids. White/black/illegal immigrant/60 kids named muhamud.

If I could fix ONE problem in the world today, it would be to stop communism/despotism. Countries like China with billions of people are actually clueless as to the world around them because of their limitations on speech and the internet. They arent informed enough to do anything about their totalitarian government. Google the wrong thing and you are ****ed. They find a bible? prison. Photogrphaers were imprisoned for taking photos of earthquake victims that were too "scantly clad" when they were crawling out of rubble. Same for Islamo facsism killing whoever they want for whatever reason they want (letting me rape you is punishable by death, 10 year old girl). Same for Tribal africa that still employs slaves to gather the hash crops and burns sorcerers. Yes, If I could fix one problem, it would be totalitarian government.

Maybe I will win miss America now.

But what is more difficult to fix? Huge governments with deep seeded roots and ancient ignorant beliefs? or the million year old hormones that make you **** your cousin in the woods? Both of these tasks my friend, are a bit monumental.

[DeputyLoneWolf]

Im sure if your sister sat down for a second and thought it out, she could find a problem larger than premarital sex. Not saying premarital sex is a good thing.

I think of so many screwed up MARRIED couples that dont take care of their 16 kids. White/black/illegal immigrant/60 kids named muhamud.

If I could fix ONE problem in the world today, it would be to stop communism/despotism. Countries like China with billions of people are actually clueless as to the world around them because of their limitations on speech and the internet. They arent informed enough to do anything about their totalitarian government. Google the wrong thing and you are ****ed. They find a bible? prison. Photogrphaers were imprisoned for taking photos of earthquake victims that were too "scantly clad" when they were crawling out of rubble. Same for Islamo facsism killing whoever they want for whatever reason they want (letting me rape you is punishable by death, 10 year old girl). Same for Tribal africa that still employs slaves to gather the hash crops and burns sorcerers. Yes, If I could fix one problem, it would be totalitarian government.

Maybe I will win miss America now.

But what is more difficult to fix? Huge governments with deep seeded roots and ancient ignorant beliefs? or the million year old hormones that make you **** your cousin in the woods? Both of these tasks my friend, are a bit monumental.

I totally agree with your views on government. The world is a real mess and it is because all the factors that I was talking about and the ones you also mentioned.

[dellrugby]

I have lived in the Philippines for the last 4 years and it is really accepted. I had to put aside my feelings, which are similar to Mr Rotten, because as a Call center manager, i have any number from 50 to 100 Lady boys working for me, and they are some of my best agents. Many are convincing, i would never know they are men, not that i am going to check..

[dellrugby]

They have no problem trying to push straights to become their boyfriends, and they do not considerer themselves men. It is not looked down upon in Thailand or the Philippines. There is a famous boxer in Thailand that has a movie...http://www.beautifulboxer-themovie.com/

[DeputyLoneWolf]

Im sure if your sister sat down for a second and thought it out, she could find a problem larger than premarital sex. Not saying premarital sex is a good thing.

I think of so many screwed up MARRIED couples that dont take care of their 16 kids. White/black/illegal immigrant/60 kids named muhamud.

If I could fix ONE problem in the world today, it would be to stop communism/despotism. Countries like China with billions of people are actually clueless as to the world around them because of their limitations on speech and the internet. They arent informed enough to do anything about their totalitarian government. Google the wrong thing and you are ****ed. They find a bible? prison. Photogrphaers were imprisoned for taking photos of earthquake victims that were too "scantly clad" when they were crawling out of rubble. Same for Islamo facsism killing whoever they want for whatever reason they want (letting me rape you is punishable by death, 10 year old girl). Same for Tribal africa that still employs slaves to gather the hash crops and burns sorcerers. Yes, If I could fix one problem, it would be totalitarian government.

Maybe I will win miss America now.

But what is more difficult to fix? Huge governments with deep seeded roots and ancient ignorant beliefs? or the million year old hormones that make you **** your cousin in the woods? Both of these tasks my friend, are a bit monumental.

I should have narrowed it down to the biggest problems she sees in social work and the causes. Thanks for your response though.

[ricanmafia]

its crazy but it happened to me once iwas sooo facked up he/she thougt i woudnt notice, we started making out and touching and i started to take the clothe off.. I THOUGTH IT WAS A HOT CHICK< AND I WAS HARNY AS HELL she insisted to keep the ligth off so i was cool with that and stopped me told me to lay back and started to suck im sorry im embarassed and cant finishpeace mafia