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[Warrior]

Putting a birth date in post_bits under neath the avatar would be an easy modification.

I really like this board - I just wish we could gather more "experienced" AAS users and bodybuilders. There is an awesome collection thus far that seems to grow everyday....

But it seems to be crowded with kids every so often.... especially those under 18 making impulsive descions that can f' them up for life.

If you really want to regulate this on AR you could do a credit card verification like MSN does.

[palme]

Bump for Mike XXL´s great post.

Warrior - What about the people that dont have credit cards? Will i not be allowed here anymore just cause i dont use plastic?

[Imnotdutch]

When you say that you ate all of the time.....how many calories are you talking about?
Bottom line is to grow you need food, sleep and good training. Were your poundages on the lifts improving? If you get one of the factors above wrong you dont grow.

Originally posted by Madmax
i know your a mod, so please don't take this the wrong way. i'm fairly new to this board and i don't want to piss anyone off. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION... some people can't grow with out gear. I trained naturally since i was 13. i started juicing when i was 21. now i'll be 23 in febuary and if it wern't for the juice i'd still be a little TERD. I took the right supplements and i ate all the time ( healthy food ) but sometimes that isn't enough. does anyone know how it feels to train for 8 years and not see hardly any results? every day i was in the gym. lifting correctly. i don't know everything about lifting and gear. but i throw my 2 cents in every time i think i can help someone with a question on this board. when i see a question that no one awnsers i specifically awnser that because i want that person to get some feed back. i'll even do searches on the net for some people to awnser there questions. so i don't think there is anything wrong with people in their early twenties putting up threds and posting responses. some just might be helping people. please don't take this the wrong way. again, This is just my OPINION... i just want you to see my side of the fence. Madmax.....

[MIKE_XXL]

Originally posted by Cruezer
so say some1 was 19 and peaked in their progress? do u think they should start AS? BTW,i cant see much 'maturing' between 19 + 20 so the age difference mean nothing.ie:juicing at 19 has the same effects as juicin at 20...

just my 2 cents

There is a big differance between 19 & 20, it's 1 year, 356 days 8544 hours, that is a lot of time to make progress naturally...and nobody matures at 19 yo, sorry Bro but that's the case...it does not have the same effect at 19 a at 20 on the body itself yes maybe but on the hormon profile it has much bigger impact on 19-20 yo than let's say a 25 year old, if you are not gaining when you are 19, i got a f*ckin idea eat more...i do not mean subway like Gerold did...or McDonalds, try health nutrition rich foods....XXL

[MIKE_XXL]

Originally posted by swim
everyone has different reasons for juicing.. i think juicing around the age of 20 to enhance physical performace in a sport if you have trained hard for a number of years is ok. i dont understand how some people flame some of the younger guys who know what they are getting themselves into, when some of the older guys are 5'10 225 25% body fat, have lifted for 4months, and just want to look good when they go into thier job at genardis.

Good point no bady should juice at any agae if they have been training less the 3 tears naturally...period...however a 25 yo can make a much more mature & educatued decision then a 19 yo who is thinking with his dick, and if juicing will give him a better body that will help him get laid, then it's got to be a good idea...i know what i was like and most of my friends at that age and let me say we were idots to the fullest, i perttied my ass of and all i could think about wqs piece of ass, there was no room for me to be juicing even know that at that point i was already working out for about 4 years...i had other priorities then good food, rest and proper training...XXL

[MIKE_XXL]

Originally posted by Warrior
No one can have tried all the training theories and methods and be under 20. If someone says they can not grow and they are only like 18 years old - they are not missing juice - they are missing the heart and love of the iron. And juice will only give them temporary fixes and a host of side effects.

The hormones in your body when in your teens are sooooo rampid that they can make you jump to impulsive descions by rationalizing things that simply make no sense to do.

Exactly adjust your training, nutrition program and rest plentyfull and i guarentee you will grow at the age under 20 if you do all right, i hate people that say i have tried it all and i eat a lot, most people do not know what they are eating till they write down all they ate that day on a piece of paper and see it was 2800 calories, 125gm of protein, 300gm of carbs and 100gm of fat...anyway...that'll be all for this post...XXL

[MIKE_XXL]

Originally posted by Havvoc
I'm 19. Just finished my first cycle. Gained 25 pounds, kept about 22, and it has been about a month since i finished. I did my homework, and know how to eat and how to lift. You guys just need to be open that there are kids like me who know their stuff and know what they are doing

First let me ask you this what drugs did you use?...well i bet your answer will be some kind of a long alasting ester like Sust, Enenthate...etc...well let me say that as you are using your gear there is a build up effect so by the end of a week eight even if you are using only 250mg a week you will have 499mg of active ingridiant in your system, now you say you have been clean for 4 weeks and kept 22 pounds well you are just start to be clean now as 2 weeks after your last shot you still had 250 mg of active ingridiant in your system, and now if you were using 500mg a week you can multiply every figure i mantioned by 2. So how about let me know how much of the gains you have kept in about another month or so, i bet you it will not be 22 pounds...and i am very open minded, that's why i always answer the stupid questions asked...and yes some might know a lot about all the issues but that sill dosen't mean they should be using gear...XXL

[MIKE_XXL]

THANKS TO EVERY ONE FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS ISSUE, AS IT PAINS ME TO SEE SUCH YOURNG PEOPLE TRY TO GET A QUICK FIX. Most of us expirianced guys know it's not a quick fix you will never get to be a Mr.Olympis in 1 year nor most us will ever be National Level competitors even in 5 years of training and gear...in any case it takes a lot of dedication as well as time to get musclulare maturity and development and it's not just a matter of running a cycle...tanks again guys...XXL

[Pete235]

Originally posted by Cruezer
so say some1 was 19 and peaked in their progress? do u think they should start AS? BTW,i cant see much 'maturing' between 19 + 20 so the age difference mean nothing.ie:juicing at 19 has the same effects as juicin at 20...

just my 2 cents

Spoken like a true 20 year old

[TeenPL]

jeez, what a bunch of grumpy old men

[JULY GTP]

althrough my profile says that i was registered
couple of months ago, i been around this board
long enough, first every post here is good and has
a beneficial education depends how U take it, and
everyone here helps by answering ?'s sometimes
some sarcastic shit but is all good goes along
with the answer cool, but there's something missing here, these young guys from 15 to 20 yrs
of age they said i want to juice, i want to juice,
why? bcos of their looks body wise skinny look,
as ironfist talked about "GENETICS" genetics r the root cause of this problem, 2 of my brothers do not workout and they have a nice body shape, and i have other brother this guy is dedicated to workout does power lifting takes lots power protein with small results, he tells me he wants to get bigger, i told him yeah i no everyone's DREAM to get big, he does not believe in ROIDS. but how in hell would anyone will get big when the person has fuck up GENETICS and u no u r doing everything to get big and u just can't? that's when people became desperated and egger to do roids regardless of age, people want to look at least decent look, these young guys r having similar problems and no matter, what they will do it, i'm not encougering anyone to do it but, nobody stopped me from doing it bcos i wanted to help my body, noone will stop them believe me..

and i no roids r not answer, roids will have an
impact in ur body whether ur young or mature...

[hammerhead]

One good approach is to put some stats in your signature line like I did. That way people can see along with your every post a quick overview of who you are and where you stand. It isn't hard nor unreasonable to format that information automagically (by the AR board) and put it out in the perons info to the side. Hell - if there's enough room for a purposeless avatar (i'm not knocking the avatar - I like them and want to keep them) then there's room for individual stats!

We have to take it onto our ourselves to require a minimum amount of information before reponding to posted questions. It's our individual responsibility to know who we're advising before making recommendations. People do take this board seriously! If they didn't I wouldn't be here!

[kreper69]

Great post bro!! just wish most of the young ones would listen when we tell them that they are to young. do they really think we take the time out to post these great threads to inform them of the dangers of early use just for the sake of doing it. no, it's done for the fact that there are people who care about there health,and don't want to see them fuck themselves up..

if i'm not mistaken at one time by our avatars wasn't our birthday's listed as well as member info??

[MIKE_XXL]

I see some of you are taking this totaly wrong way, how about this instead lets look at it from a differant point:

NO ONE THAT DOSE NOT HAVE THEIR TRAINING AND NUTRITION PROGRAM IN PLACE SHOULD BE JUICING...and unfortunate truth is that will be 99.9% of all people under 20, 90% of 21yo, 80% of 22yo, 70% of 23yo, 60% of 24yo and 50% of any body over 25 years old, is that better and to you liking kids, i f*king hope so...i bet every body that took offense to this post is either in the category of the young people and already juicing or thinking about it...or in the early 20's with the same criteria met...so let's not loose the true point behind this point, anyway, that's enough ranting for me...........peace...XXL

[Havvoc]

MIKE
I'll bet that i will keep that 22 pounds, and then some....
BUT as always there are skeptics, so i will PM you EVERY week to let you know my weight.

pac,
Havvoc

[MIKE_XXL]

Originally posted by Havvoc
MIKE
I'll bet that i will keep that 22 pounds, and then some....
BUT as always there are skeptics, so i will PM you EVERY week to let you know my weight.

pac,
Havvoc

What do you want to bet, i am game Bro for anything...XXL

[Havvoc]

No need to wager anything, just answer my questions if i ever come to you with them. That is the whole reason i joined this board was for a little support and help when i need it. But, whatever works i guess.
havvoc

[snowman]

agree ;Bump... for teens.

[netwerk]

Uhhm....if you put an age limit..you should know what would eventually happen. You will get 15-19yrs old coming on here claiming to be 25yrs old. If there's no age limit, at least they'll admit their real age and we can give our opinions and maybe talk them out of it til they get older. Either way, in the end, it's their body..not our's..they do as they please.

[mike2112]

how old was a guy like Jay Cutker when he began to juice ?
this is the main problem:guys like this were young juicer (Jay is 27 now) and I remember 3-4 years ago he was already huge...

[Iron horse]

Originally posted by MIKE_XXL



What do you want to bet, i am game Bro for anything...XXL

lol, you guys are ridiculous.

lets turn this back into a normal board.. to much uproar!

in reality, unless your on HRT, no one here should be juicing. Get a bunch of doctors and they'd act the way the older guys do to the younger guys, except to ALL OF US!!!!


lets not pretend that we care that much about people we dont know, but I understand stupid posts can piss people off, thats for damn sure!

[MIKE_XXL]

Ok i already addressed this issuebut hey here it gose again...NO ONE with lifting expiriance of less then 3 years should be touching gear, and that includes every age group...unfortunatly that pretty much includes every one under the age of 20...so yeah i guess there shouldn't be an age limit on it just more or less expiriance limit, another factor is a lot of people eat crappy food and not enought of anything good, and think that that gear will be a quick fix, well they shouldn't be doing the juice either...i do not know how Jay Cutler was when he started juicing, but at this point you are comparing yourself and your peers to one of the most geneticly people in the world, and quite frankly most of us are not...

And to Havvoc, i help every body that comes to me with a question, no matter their age, i always give my honest opinion and give and educated sudgestions, i do not answer questions i do not know the answers to...i have gone as far as do the research for some people instead of telling them to do it them self, i do give support to a lot of people on this board and i probably helped more then you can count....anyway enough said i am not here to argue i am here to state my personal opinion...THAT'S IT...if you do not like it you do not have to take it...

[sicilian40]

i dont think people from the ages of 15-21 should juice but hey do what you gotta do, im 20 i did 2 cycles and i do regret doing them, i dont have huge health problems and i doubt i will ::knock on wood:: but i do feel like i could have pushed myself naturally in the gym to the max, oh well

[Cruezer]

why 21? why not 20? wot is the fcuking difference.big deal,1 year

so u say u shudnt do roids until you are EXACTLY 21.is there an amzing change which happens to u the day b4 ure 21st birthday and the day after which makes u much more capable to handle roids? i think not.and just because the government says u shudnt drink until u are 18 (im from the uk) does that mean at that age i will be able to handle booze? ive been drinkin beer every wknd since i was 16 and guess wot? nothings changed and i can handle my drink and thats 2 years under the age recommendation.i know booze doesnt compare with roids in terms of danger but its the best example i cud think of.same with dope etc.

IMO the minimum age has got to be 19.
but the most important factor is R E S E A R C H !
i cannot stress this enough.
i would rather a 19 year old who has reasearched every aspect of AS juice than a 21 YO who knows nothing.

fact is most ppl who have done roids,started it in their teens,Arnie started dbol when he 16 (FACT),do u think they are gonna wait for years? NO.

all this about telling people to wait until they are 21 wont stop them so why bother.i know u americans hate young juicers but u will always get them.

and possibly,could this 21 YO starting age come from the fact u have to be 21 to drink?

[Carlos_E]

A lot changes between 19-22. I was a late bloomer and didn't start growing hair on my face until 22-23. That means my body was still going through hormonal changes until I was 23. What would have happened if I had juiced during that time? I am now several years past 23 and I am considering juicing. I think juicing should not be taken lightly. Even juicing in your 30s, there are still health risks involved. Risks that cannot be judged maturely by someone 17, 19 or even 21.

-Carlos

Originally posted by Cruezer
why 21? why not 20? wot is the fcuking difference.big deal,1 year

so u say u shudnt do roids until you are EXACTLY 21.is there an amzing change which happens to u the day b4 ure 21st birthday and the day after which makes u much more capable to handle roids? i think not.and just because the government says u shudnt drink until u are 18 (im from the uk) does that mean at that age i will be able to handle booze? ive been drinkin beer every wknd since i was 16 and guess wot? nothings changed and i can handle my drink and thats 2 years under the age recommendation.i know booze doesnt compare with roids in terms of danger but its the best example i cud think of.same with dope etc.

IMO the minimum age has got to be 19.
but the most important factor is R E S E A R C H !
i cannot stress this enough.
i would rather a 19 year old who has reasearched every aspect of AS juice than a 21 YO who knows nothing.

fact is most ppl who have done roids,started it in their teens,Arnie started dbol when he 16 (FACT),do u think they are gonna wait for years? NO.

all this about telling people to wait until they are 21 wont stop them so why bother.i know u americans hate young juicers but u will always get them.

and possibly,could this 21 YO starting age come from the fact u have to be 21 to drink?

[TeenPL]

Originally posted by Carlos_E
A lot changes between 19-22. I was a late bloomer and didn't start growing hair on my face until 22-23. That means my body was still going through hormonal changes until I was 23. What would have happened if I had juiced during that time? I am now several years past 23 and I am considering juicing. I think juicing should not be taken lightly. Even juicing in your 30s, there are still health risks involved. Risks that cannot be judged maturely by someone 17, 19 or even 21.

-Carlos

See, i was exactly the opposite of you. I was an early bloomer and was growing a full beard at 15. i am now 18 and am pretty sure that my hormones have leveled out. Bottom line is that you need to research, and don't just anyone's advice. Make sure you know what your doing, eat right, workout hard, sleep enough, and get your post cycle therapy down and you should be fine.
There are always the exceptions however, like our buddy MASTIFF, who didn't react well so now goes around condeming AS use. And then there is me, who juiced at a young age and is just fine. We won't really know the REAL dangers until these drugs and made legal and proper studies can be done. Until then it will remain a guessing game, a he said she said.
I have yet to hear a well thought-out, logical argument as why dedicated teens should not use juice. Unforntunately, all teens get grouped into one category.
In any group of people, you will have those who do not react well to a substance, and unfortunately its those people who get alot of attention and press time. "I took 10mg of dbol and got bitch tits!" An oh so often cry, mildly sensationalized.
However, this will not change on AR and almost all boards on the internet for one reason, "saving their own ass." If a stupid teen goes and does a cycle and gets an adverse affect, he'll go ahead and use the board as a scapegoat. Think about it, it happens all the time in everyday life. "Its not my fault, they told me to do it!" They are no longer responsible for their actions, they are the victum now. Its bullshit.

I do not condone the use of AS for teens. But that doesnt mean i'll say don't do it just because i said so, or list off possible side-effects.....POSSIBLE. Some mature faster than others. Most teens are shouldn't use, they are not ready. Most 23 year olds are not ready in my opinion. These cases should be taken on a individual basis, but i don't see this happening.

[sicilian40]

Originally posted by Carlos_E
A lot changes between 19-22. I was a late bloomer and didn't start growing hair on my face until 22-23. That means my body was still going through hormonal changes until I was 23. What would have happened if I had juiced during that time? I am now several years past 23 and I am considering juicing. I think juicing should not be taken lightly. Even juicing in your 30s, there are still health risks involved. Risks that cannot be judged maturely by someone 17, 19 or even 21.

-Carlos

i agree with you 100% bro

[Lightning]

i'm 18 and in HS... you guys should see how many people are on gear.. no kiddin. tons and tons of people, that dontg know jack.. all they know is it'll make em big.. most dont use anti estrogens.. and forget research.. too miuch trouble.. usal cycles for kids in HS are DECA test n winny, deca test, anadrol/d-bol, and equipose test. Thats what all the kids at my shcool take anyways... especailly anadrol cause its cheap... lately insulin has been around more, but its mostly about whatever you can get cheap.. so a lot of kids are dropping deca out of their cycles.. oh well... when kids ask questions, please answer.. otherwise they'll do it anyways, except they'll be misinformed and make their decissions based on prices not knowledge.... i seriously cant name but a handfull of people at my school who know about taking anti- estrogens... and thats only cause they are on 2nd or 3d cycles... and most of these kids are 17-18

[Cruezer]

i wanna go to that skool!

[Foxy Sphinx]

does anyone have a link or anything to anywhere with FACTUAL information and true stories of teens juicing and the side effects they got?

Very interested in reading.