AR's Pitbull ~Vet~
Well since you're following volume training why not a split like:Originally Posted by wukillabee
Sunday: Chest/abs/cardio
Mon: Back/calves/cardio
Tues: off
Wed: delts(I avoid any cardio before legs, no exercise of the legs)
thurs: legs
Fri: arms/abs/cardio
Sat: off/cardio
Do the cardio if you must to stay lean. I usually can do no cardio and stay leanbut I'm doing it now to improve my cardiovascular system and the benefits that come along w/ such
Just my .02cents
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Sounds good! Ill give it a go. Since i cant go to the gym now (sunday) ima have to start this routine monday with how u have outlined. Guess no chest this week then since i cant really throw it in on another day, maybe some chest tomorrow if anything. Overall sounds good though.Well since you're following volume training why not a split like:
Sunday: Chest/abs/cardio
Mon: Back/calves/cardio
Tues: off
Wed: delts(I avoid any cardio before legs, no exercise of the legs)
thurs: legs
Fri: arms/abs/cardio
Sat: off/cardio
Do the cardio if you must to stay lean. I usually can do no cardio and stay lean
Just my .02cents
I just do cardio right now just as u said, cardiovascular reasons. I can also stay pretty lean while bulking but do cardio so this extra weight isnt puting too much extra strain on the heart and what not. Thats why i usually only do 15-25 min at most of cardio right now. Cutting is a whole different story, haha!
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Day 8 Back/Calves/Abs/Cardio
Shot right pec 150mg. Felt pretty strong and amped coming into the gym today. Had a pretty successful workout i think:
Cable Machine Pullovers:
Warm Up
150 x 12 reps
160 x 10 reps
180 x 6 reps
180 x 6 reps (felt good here)
Lat Pulldown Machine:
Warm up
195 x 12 reps
210 x 10 reps
225 x 8 reps
225 x 6 reps drop set to 180 x 4 reps to 135 x 4 reps holding each static on all! (felt good here too)
Dumbell Rows (leaning on rack so at an angle, not fully bent over)
warm up
75 x 12 reps
95 x 8 reps
100 x 6 reps
100 x 6 reps (never really done this weight before, pretty good for myself)
drop set to 50 x 8 reps holding each static a good 3-5 seconds and slow controlled!
Seated Cable Rows
warm up
150 x 10 reps
170 x 8 reps
170 x 8 reps
Seated Calf Raises
warm up
140 x 12 reps super set to toes out heels together for 10 reps
160 x 10 reps super set to toes out heels together for 6 reps
160 x 8 reps super set to toes out heels together for 6 reps
5 sets of abs
15 minutes of treadmill hr between 135-140bpm
Overall finally some damn strength gains! Noticed for sure looking a thicker all over and more stamina in the gym as well. Sweating like a damn pig now too! Today overall my strength has gone up anywhere from 15-25lbs on most of my lifts, pretty damn good for first day of week 2 i think. Guess that little frontload i did is kinda paying off now! I know i only did 4 back exercises but when i was done i felt fu$king done. Back was pumped and anything else i would have done felt like it wouldn't be at such a high intensity and almost a waste. Next week ill add in another back exercise probably. Seated calf raises i haven't done in over a year so kinda weak here, gonna work on that more.
Last edited by wukillabee; 02-16-2009 at 09:42 PM. Reason: Week 2 Day 1
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Today is an off day so not much to report. Just ate, school, nap, ate, work, eat, eat again, get off work, eat, then bed. Pretty much how its gonna go down, haha. Feel pretty swole, likin it! Noticing an increase for sure now in sex drive, sucks when it happens in class just sitting there, haha! Cant wait for shoulders tomorrow and another lovely 150mg! Really no pain either in my right pec from my shot yesterday too which is always nice. Gonna stick to this prop for awhile for how dang painless and smooth it is!
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Week 2 Day 3 Delts/Traps/Cardio
Shot my right delt today 150mg. Slight pinch goin have way in so might have knicked something but went in smooth after that. Great workout today, really feeling more intensity in the gym, sweating a lot more in the gym, some strength gains, everything really!
Seated Military Press Smith Machine
warm up
warm up
245 x 8
245 x 6
245 x 6 super set to hammer strength machine press 160 x 8 controlled reps super set to grabbing a 45lb plate and front raises 10 controlled reps.
Seated with a slight lean forward Dumbell Shrugs
warm up
warm up
110 x 10 reps
120 x 6 reps
120 x 8 reps (little strength boost)
120 x 10 reps (Big strength boost!)
120 x 8 reps (My gay gym only goes up to 120lb on dumbells)
Standing Laterial Dumbell Flys
warm up
35 x 10
50 x 6
50 x 8 (strength boost again)
50 x 6
Low Cable Bent Over Flys (Franco Columbo Style)
warm up
25 x 10
35 x 8
35 x 6
15min of treadmill hr of 126-130bpm.
Overall very satisfying workout for myself. Noticing some strength gains and big boosts in workout intensity like i want to kill the weights now, lovin it!
Weighed myself lastnight at 213lbs already! Thats 10lbs over just 2 weeks. Hopefully its not all water retention. I dont look bloated at all, waist still the same, 6 pack still there, muscles just look much fuller all around.
Side effects felt so far i think is just the oxys. I noticed after the first week gettin some lower pack pains, common side from oxy. I really only get it an hour or so after takin my second tab of the day. The pains come and go, lasting anywhere from 5min to a good 15min. Really no other sides though, no headaches, no bloody nose, no gyno sides, no bloating, really nothing bad but these random lower back/tailbone pains that are random. Again, im sure just the oxys, no biggie.
Last edited by wukillabee; 02-22-2009 at 08:01 PM. Reason: Haha, just caught that! Um up to 113lbs already, haha!!!
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Off day today. Wow, arms r freakin swole! Lovin it. What im hatin is today when i woke up my left nip felt kinda sore. Like behind the nip u can feel ur gland and the tip of the gland/front whatever u want to call it felt kinda sore and slightly sensitive to touch. Right nip felt just fine, normal. This was kinda off and on all day.
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Since i didnt get a chance to hit chest last week i thought today on chest day id max it out and see where im at now strength wise, happy i did! Max has gone up noticably and pump was insane today!
Flat Barbell Bench:
2 warmup sets
275 x 7 reps (record for me, last cycle only did 4-5 reps)
295 x 4 reps (First time with this weight and repped it!)
295 x 4 reps (Feelin solid and strong still, lovin it!)
Incline Barbell Bench:
warmup
225 x 6 reps
225 x 6 reps
Decline Hammer Strength Press:
warmup
270 x 8 reps
320 x 6 reps (First time this weight reppin it like this!)
320 x 6 reps super set to bodyweight dips 10 reps
21's on Overhead Cable Flys
65lbs 7 reps inner, 7 reps outer, 7 reps full
super set to
Lower Cable Flys Underhand Grip
40lbs x 10 reps (Just did these for a lasting pump)
Did some great personal lifts and its only the last day of week 2, still 12 more weeks to freakin go! I can already see a beast in the mirror, especially today after my workout. Lookin swole everywhere and no fat gain still, cant complain.
Gyno symps are slightly worse today. Still just left nip but now the gland feels a little hard, smaller than a pea, very small. Gonna try 20mg nolva before bed tonite and for the next 5 days. If it doesnt get any better or worse during these 5 days then ima drop the nolva and start .25mg arimidex eod and take it from there. I know im gyno prone from my first cycle and with worse sides i did .5mg arimi ed and after just 5 days went back to normal. Gonna experiment and try nolva this time and see what happens. Wish me luck! Gotta eat now!
P.S.
Gonna weigh myself tonite to see where im at goin into week 3. Wouldnt be surprised if im up a few lbs since last time since im filling in pretty good already. Even if its all water weight im just happy i dont look bloated at all and the size gain looks like quality size even though im sure its mostly just water this early on. Just sayin at least im not lookin swole like the michellin man but more muscular swole everywhere pretty evenly too! Might post some pics ebd of next week or for sure the last day of the oxymetholone. This will give me an idea of the difference that compound made water wise at least probably. Then ill probably take some pics 7-8 weeks in soley on the test, then again the day before i start pct coming off the prop and winny. Then if this thread is still goin ill post pics 4 weeks into pct to see what ive actually kept and overall gains from this killer bulk! Since my pct protocol and supps r on lock im sure ill be keeping most gains made here.
Last edited by wukillabee; 02-22-2009 at 07:58 PM.
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Week 2 Day 7 Weight In
Tonight i weighed in at 215lbs. Now im up about 12-13lbs from when i first started the cycle and my waist has stayed the same, must be doing something right!
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Week 3 Day 2 Off
Off day today so not much to report. Still up 13lbs. from day one of cycle and feeling solid everywhere. Arms are always pumped and makes it hard as hell to shave my face, haha! Gyno symps seem to be getting slightly better. The small lump is still the same size, no bigger or smaller yet. The soreness of the lump is going away slowly though so thats a sign of progress. Again, if its not all said and done by friday, im gonna start the l-dex .25mg eod. Since theres already a super small pea size lump im not gonna take chances and run nolva forever if its not getting rid of it. Still early though, today is only day 3 of being on 20mg nolva ed. Tomorrow will be a nice day, shot a delt, then work them the hell out!
Sides so far seem slim to none (except for this nip thing of course) now. I dont know if it has anything to do with it but right when i started taking 100mg ed of the oxymetholone was when the sides seem to have gone away! Like my appetite came back, no more sore lower back pumps, no more bloody snot, nothing! It could just be that its been 2 weeks ive been taking it and not its fully stable in my system, who knows? I just know that taking 100mg ed i feel more results than 75mg ed and getting zero sides from it, can't really complain. Still, overall im not very impressed with oxymetholone. Will probably only run it for 4 weeks if it stays how it is giving me minimal results. No reason to keep taxing my liver for whatever results. Next cycle will use dbol as a kickstart and then compare the 2.
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Week 3 Day 4 Legs
Today i felt pretty strong in the gym and it showed for sure. Towards the last half of my workout though i felt like i had to throw up and was sick to my stomach. Not because the workout was so intense, just didn't feel right for some reason, idk?
Leg Extensions Super Set to Lying Leg Curls:
warm up on both
190 x 10 to 90 x 10
225 x 10 to 110 x 10 (felt strong here)
240 x 8 to 130 x 6 (R U Kidding Me?)
240 x 6 to 130 x 6 (First time with these weights, killin it!)
Leg Press Super Set to Hack Squat Machine:
warm up on both
450 x 10 to 180 x 8
540 x 8 to 180 x 6
540 x 6 to 180 x 6 (Normally couldn't do these back to back with this weight)
540 x 6 to 180 x 6
Standing Single Leg Curl Machine:
warm up
40 x 10
50 x 8 (first time this weight)
50 x 7
Donkey Calf Raise Machine:
warm up
170 x 10
190 x 10
200 x 10
200 x 10
200 x 10 (first time doing 200lbs and this many reps, only goes up to 200lbs)
Did 2 sets of abs then started gettin crazy charlie horses in both quads non stop so called it quits. Still felt like shit too for whatever reason and had real bad back pumps today which really bugged during my workout. I might call it quits on the oxys by the end of week 3 cus they really arent getting any better for me and im not gonna take more than 100mg my first go with em. If im not noticing much with 100mg ed first time around then im assuming they arent for me. I get better results with 30mg of superdrol then i am with 100mg ed of damn oxys, suck!
Tried doin squats first today but my delts are so dang sore from yesterday i couldn't even bend my arms back to hold the bar on my traps, haha! Its all good, gonna just stick to this routine for the next 3 weeks or so then change it all up for the last half of my cycle. Overall im loving it! This test prop is bomb as hell and getting stronger each and every workout without gaining any noticable fat, who can complain about that?
Side Effects so far:
Oxys: Minimal strength gains, off and on headaches, off and on painful back pumps, off and on supressing appetite.
Test Prop: Little more oily skin then normal so a few more pimples then normal from it but no real breakouts or anything like that. Umm, thats really it! Love fu$$ing test!
Gyno symps:
Getting better i guess. No better or worse then yesterday, only 4 tabs of 20mg each nolva in me right now. Lump is almost non existint and the soreness i can only feel while putting pressure on it so it is much better then before i started the nolva. Noticing though im getting a little more emotional today, is that a side effect of nolva? Kinda weird. Also started .5mg of liquid caber today to see if that will decrease my puffy nips ive had since i was like 6yrs old. Ive read a lot of threads where people in my situation have takin .5mg or no more than 1mg twice a week (every 3.5 days like test enth) and the puffy nips have gone away for good! Just trying every possible avenue for this before looking into surgery.
Sex drive is way up, testicular atrophy is for sure there, but no biggie. For sure gonna run the hcg though towards the end of my cycle til i start pct. Since im gonna run this more than likely 14 weeks i think it will be a good idea, started getting really shut down towards the end of week 2 so 12 weeks of being shutdown id think hcg would really help at the tail end.
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Today was another successful day. I can see why aas can be so addictive, my strength goes up every single day im in the gym, crazy!
All exercises are super set, best way to train arms imo:
Preacher Machine One Arm Curls to Overhead Single Arm Tri Extensions:
warm up on both
50 x 10 to 40 x 10
70 x 6 (last week only did 60) to 50 x 6
70 x 6 to 50 x 6
Standing EZ-Curl Bar Curls to Lying Skull Crushers:
warm up on both
115 x 6 to 115 x 8
115 x 6 to 115 x 6 (Bis felt like they where gonna pop)
Dumbell Hammer Curls to Super Slow Cable Press Downs (30sec each rep):
warm up on both
50 x 8 to 80 x 10
60 x 6 to 100 x 8
60 x 6 to 100 x 8
6 sets of forearms, 6 sets of abs, 15 minutes treadmill. Overall had a great pump and workout again today, no set backs today finally. Gyno symps in my left nip are already almost gone now. Lump is almost not there anymore and really no soreness when i press hard on it now. Still gonna take 20mg nolva each night until at least monday and just for good measure im gonna take .25mg of l-dex. I might take .25mg of l-dex every tues/fri until i get my proviron in just to be safe, we'll see.
Weighed myself today, 218lbs now! Thats up a solid 15lbs from 3.5 weeks ago, pretty good! I can see some bloat kickin though so im sure at least half is water weight if not a little more. Thats another reason why im takin the l-dex at .25mg twice a week. I really dont see such a low dosage of l-dex like this to hinder anything and if anything i will just do me some good until the proviron comes in. Tomorrow is an off day but plan on doing some cardio first thing in the morn just cus ive been slackin all last week on my cardio. Still bulking of course but a little cardio every now and then is always good. Towards the last half of my cycle i plan on slightly cutting as in not drastically adjusting my diet but mainly doing more cardio and slightly higher range of reps.
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Oxy Update
Starting taking 2-3g of taurine ed now and no more back pumps that ive noticed so thats seemed to help. Ima just run the oxys for a full 4 weeks since ive got the sides mainly under control now. Just curious to see what ill lose once i stop the oxys? Maybe some water weight but i dont see me losin much strength especially on this kind of test cycle im on. If all im gonna lose is water and a tad of strength then im not gonna invest in oxys in the future, not worth it for me at least.
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Week 3 Day 7 Chest/Cardio
Shot my right pec 150mg. Just got some cvs prep pads since im running low on my kendal prep pads and omg are these things crap! They are literally dripping with alcohol! After swabbing the vial and my injection spot i had to wait at least 8min for it all to disapate and do the shot. Then 5min after my shot i felt this crazy burning feeling just under my injection spot. This lasted for a good 45min and bugged during my chest workout. Kendal swabs are bomb, just gonna have to order more i guess.
Incline Dumbell Flys:
warm up
50 x 10
65 x 10 (good strength here)
80 x 6
80 x 6 (never have done these before and all with good form)
Incline Barbell Bench Press:
warm up
225 x 10
255 x 6
255 x 6 (Again, good strength here still)
Decline Hammer Strength Press super set to Body Weight Dips:
warm up on both
270 x 10 to 12 dips (still good strength)
320 x 6 to 10 dips
320 x 6 drop set to 270 x 2 to 180 x 4 (felt spent after these)
Standing Cable Flys 21's super set to Lower Cable Flys Underhand Grip:
60 x 21 (7 inner, 7 outer, 7 full) to 35 x 10 (holding each static hard)
Felt pretty solid after this and called it a day. Did 15 min of treadmill afterwards. Love how everyday my strength seems to still be goin up, no plateau yet on my strength. Lovin it!
Gyno symps seems about 95% gone now. Only thing left is a super small lump behind my left nip that has shrunk a lot since it first popped up. Gonna just stay on the nolva til its gone and maybe a few days after that too just to be sure. I really don't see a few extra days of nolva killing any gains at 20mg ed.
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Week 4 Day 1 Back/Cardio
Woke up for school today sweating hot with a crazy feeling upset stomach and real dizzy. 10 minutes later i threw the fu$k like 7 times! Need less to say i didn't go to school or work today and stayed home feeling like shit. Probably weigh 203lbs again, haha. Felt much better later in the day so decided to try to hit the gym as i regularly would today since i wont be going tomorrow. I did, had a pretty decent workout but nothing too crazy since still feeling kinda crappy.
Cable Pullover Machine:
warm up
160 x 10
190 x 6
190 x 6
Standing Bent Over Barbell Wide Grip Row:
warm up
185 x 10
225 x 6 (Did these pretty solid)
225 x 6 drop set to 185 x 4 drop set to 135 x 6
Seated Hammer Strength Machine Underhand Grip Pull Downs:
warm up
270 x 6
270 x 6
270 x 6
Wide Grip Lat Pull Down Machine:
warm up
210 x 6
210 x 6 drop set to 135 x 8 behind the neck holding static
Seated Close Grip Cable Rows:
140 x 10 just for an ending pump
15min of treadmill. Back felt pretty swole as well as my arms after workout. Went to eat right afterwards and my appetite was crap and felt sick again. Seems everytime i eat something today it makes me feel sick. Maybe a stomach flu or something, idk? Just hope i feel better soon. Tomorrow will be an off day and will get plenty of sleep tonite so im sure ill be good.
Gyno symps are pretty much all gone now, say 98% back to normal. Just the slightest hint of a lump and nothing more. Still gonna take the nolva tabs 20mg ed for the next few days. Gonna try to eat a few more times tonite before bed.
Overall so far:
Id say the oxy's for me are nothing more than a crazy pump in the gym and some strength gains. Arms are so dang swole all day its hard to even wash my face and shave my face cus my bis get in the way. Not that my arms are huge or anything but that pump is there all day it seems. Blood in my nose comes and goes, no blood dripping from my nose or anything. Just have bloody snot sometimes off and on. Back pumps go away with 2-4g of taurine ed split throughout the day. Just gonna run this stuff til end of week 4. Ill save the rest of the oxy's for my next bulk and stack em with dbol and see how that goes.
Test prop, love it! Painless, smooth, feelin great on it. Kinda want to come off the oxy just to see how the prop alone is treating me at this dose of 600mg a week. Ill have plenty of time for that though before i start taking the winny tabs for the tail end of my cycle. Hopefully the winny treats me better than the oxy.
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Off day, so nice. Feel much better today stomach wise. Ate breakfast no prob and no upset stomach yet. Hopefully all is well again. Even though all gyno symps are gone theres still the slightest feeling of hardness behind my left nip. If that doesn't get any better soon then ima start .5mg l-dex eod and give that a shot. If that doesn't kill it then ima try .62mg letro eod and that im sure will kill it. Just hope i don't have to go to that extent. Weighed myself last nite, still at 214lbs. Looks like all that throwing up yesterday only lost 1lb, haha. Seems ive been pretty steady at this weight for about a week now. Lets see if it goes done starting monday when im off the oxys.
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Really great log i'm enjoying following it... good work... hopefully so pics soon maybe?
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Not yet on the pics. Dont really have a huge desire to post any but if things make a dramtic change (which i hope they do) then ill post some pics to prove it. Not gonna post pics of 6lbs of water retention and if anyone wants before pics they can peep my first cycle log on here, they're still there. Maybe 6-7 weeks in ill post pics, not sure yet.
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Weighed myself lastnight at 113lbs. already! I know that's a misprint. Or am i missing something?
Yea, you're getting stronger my man. Very nice. Glad to hear everything's working out for you and the workouts are getting better. As far as the routines go, it's all up to you and trial and error. What works for you might not work for someone else, you know this already though. I like mixing the shit up too.
Keep up the good work bro. I'll be checking more frequently now.
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I surprised myself when i stepped on the scale lastnite too! Was just 209lbs like 6 days ago and lastnite was an even 213! I even felt kinda hungry when i weighed myself too, had an empty stomach.
Biggest thing that sucks by far that i forgot to mention is loss of appetite from the oxys. I noticed especially after taking my second oxy tab of the day that i cant eat as much. I still get hungry every 3hrs but seems i can only eat half of my portion before feeling really full. I then have to force myself to finish eating and sometimes feel like im over eating and have to throw up. This really sucks when trying to bulk. Ill give the oxys another week or 2 to really see what they can do for me but im thinkin the sides are kinda outweighing the benefits for me personally. So far oxys are no deal in my book, got faster and better strength gains from m-drol with about the same amount of sides too!
Looks like no summer vacation this year folks so now i can run this thing as long as i want! Gonna save money instead of goin on a bomb trip since this economy is so bad, will just have a better summer trip next year. Anyways ... Probably gonna run this puppy at 14 weeks now lookin like this:
weeks 1-14 test prop 600mg week
weeks 1-4 Iran Hormone Oxymetholone 75mg ed
weeks 10/11-14 winstrol tabs 50-100mg ed dry up
weeks 10-14 hcg 1000iu week (2 500iu shots week)
weeks ?-15 Schering Proviron 25-50mg ed (still waiting)
PCT:
Days 1-5 300mg clomid tabs & 40mg nolva tabs
Days 5-7 50mg clomid & 20mg nolva
Days 7-30 20mg nolva ed
Weeks 1-3 aromasin tabs 25mg ed
I get bad acne coming off and clomid makes it worse. Just using clomid the first week to kinda bump it up then letting nolva and aromasin take care of the rest. Then ill be off for a few months then BULK AGAIN!
Next tentative cycle:
weeks 1-14 test enth 500mg week
weeks 1-4/6 Dbol 30-50mg ed (depending on sides)
weeks 5-12 NPP 600mg week
Reason being on test enth is cus i already have like 30ml pharm grade on hand so just gotta get a little more. First time using dbol so well see how that goes and compares to this side effect causing anadrol im on! Npp is ugl but good stuff and will shoot it exactly how im shootin the prop right now. Will have a similar pct to what im gonna use on this cycle if it goes really well of course. Also after i see how proviron treats me on this cycle i might use that too throughout my next.
After these 2 bulking cycles i feel ill be a little more than i want to then will focus on cutting a lot! Im sure u can imagine my spring cutter cycle will be tren ace and test prop! Maybe some winny and/or masteron too! Hehe. Damn i wrote a lot, haha!
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Why you got the npp above the test. Isn't this your first time with a 19nor???? Run the test at 700mg and the npp at 75mg ed (525mg a week) and run the npp the entire cycle till 12 weeks
Gosh do I gotta do everything for you:
Lets see the diet now.......
AND if you're doing a PCT for this cycle, stay off for a while (2+months) stop treating your endo like a dunkin donut.
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From what ive been reading most say to run the 19-nor higher than test whether it be npp, tren, etc., to give u less sides. Thats what i was thinking here.Why you got the npp above the test. Isn't this your first time with a 19nor
Gosh do I gotta do everything for you
Lets see the diet now.......
AND if you're doing a PCT for this cycle, stay off for a while (2+months) stop treating your endo like a dunkin donut.
Whos talkin bout endo mr ima stay on and cruise til my second cycle? Well see how the time frame works out, just sayin after pct i should be off for at least 2 months.
Damn, u want me to do a training log and diet log? With only a couple peeps actually doin this thread with me its not worth the time. Heres a basic intake like today ill give u:
8:00am wake up, 6 egg whites, small bowl of oatmeal, banana, 48g whey protein.
school
10:45am meal replacement bar
11:15am train
1pm update my log
1:15pm 8-10oz grilled chicken breast, white or brown rice or some white pasta for carbs, 2tbl of all natty peanut butter, 48g whey protein.
4:30pm 8oz chicken breasts (same as above) or 8oz wild salmon, brown rice, veggies, fat free yogurt
8:00pm same as above but instead of fat free yogurt i have a banana
11:00pm 4-5 egg whites, 2tbl natty peanut butter, 32g sustained release protein
12:30am BED
This is a basic idea, sometimes food varies slightly but always eat at these hrs ed.
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Yeah plenty of people run their 19nors over the test but more or less it IS a individual case on how some react by doing so. Some are able to run the 19nor over test with a TRT dose and be fine while some run will run it close to even or a 5/3 ration of test over a 19nor and still run into problems while others if they keep their test higher than deca are fine with no libido problems. I think for you it'd be best to start with a higher ratio of test over npp to see how you react to the npp. Its not as much as a ratio issue as its rather each compound has its own side effects. You know how you react to test..... but do you know how you will react to npp.......
Wasn't trying to say running a higher ratio of test to npp is bible and needs to be done but for a first time with a 19nor go with such... You got years ahead of you where you can play with the dosage and see how much of Deca you can take and how much T you can take (remember we're talking individual cases) in order to not run into problems....
I'd go with a 5/3 ratio your first time just my .02cents
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True true. Well from my first cycle i already know i get gyno sides from 500mg of test enth. Now im on 600mg prop so well see how this cycle goes. Got plenty of goods to take care of that though and as soon as this proviron comes in it will help too.
Maybe for my next cycle ill just stick with 600mg test enth and 400mg npp a week and take it from there. Should be a solid bulker along with some dbols! What u doin up so late bro, tren got u up? Doin legs today, ahh!
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No I woke up at 7 today for whatever reason
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Week 2 Day 4 Legs
Had a very solid workout today! Went up on a few lifts very much and had an amazing pump for a good 3hrs after the gym, ive never seen my legs this swole after a workout! Was kinda in a hurry since i found out Ralphs was having a crazy sale on sirlion steaks so i left early to get those, got like 18 steaks haha!
Super Set Everything:
Leg Extensions:
warmup
warmup
Leg Curls:
warmup
warmup
Leg Extensions:
195 x 10
Leg Curls:
110 x 10
Leg Extensions:
210 x 10 (Strong Here)
Leg Curls:
120 x 8 (here too)
Leg Extensions:
225 x 8 (Never have done this before and very strict!)
Leg Curls
120 x 6
Leg Extensions:
225 x 8
Leg Curls:
120 x 6
Super Set Leg Press Sled with Smith Machine Hack Squats:
warmup on each
450 x 10 to 180 x 10
540 x 8 to 180 x 10
540 x 8 to 180 x 10 (Felt spent after this)
Standing Single Leg Curls:
30 x 10 each leg
50 x 8 each leg
50 x 8 each leg
Super Set Donkey Calf Raises to Standing Calf Raises:
warmup on each
170 x 10 to 187 x 10
190 x 10 to 187 x 10
200 x 10 (First Here!) to 187 x 8
200 x 8 to 187 x 8
That was all for today. Woke up like at noon, ate, did some errands, gym, ate some bomb steak and white pasta, now back to school tonite, then more steak, haha! Overall I was very impressed on my strength on leg extensions and even the donkey's (my gym only goes up to 200lb on that one). Even my stamina to hit the leg press then hack squat back to back with no rest just resting 2min after a set of both kinda surprised me too, thats the test for ya! Again, my quads have never been this swole ever when i was done, great feeling!
Starting today ima bump up my oxys to 100mg ed. Tired of pu$$y footing around with it and not noticing the great gains so many speak about oxymetholone. Gonna run 100mg ed starting today for a couple weeks and see how it goes. I dont see myself goin higher than that on this stuff. If 100mg pharm grade isn't cutting it then oxy probably isn't the oral for me and hopefully dbol will treat me better when bulking. Only time will tell!
Tomorrow i get another lovely shot of 150mg prop in my tri then arms/abs/cardio! Can't wait, love supersetting my bis and tris together. Especially while on AAS, forgetaboutit! Haha.
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Cus you where thinking bout my thread and wanted to post in it. Nice knowin my thread is the first thing that comes to your mind when you wake up. Haha, j/k bro!
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You're definetely getting stronger. I have to agree with Reed as far as the test/npp dosages. I like more test as well. Sounds like you might go with it and i definetely say go for it.
Keep it up bro.
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Yeah yeah, i guess. Im thinking like this:
weeks 1-14 test enth 500mg week (should i do 750mg instead then?)
weeks 1-4/6 dbol 30-50mg ed
weeks 4-12/13 npp 600mg week
Hows that look? If the dbol gives me great results then ill run it 6 weeks, if its sub par like this wake oxymetholone then ill just run it 4 weeks. Npp id like to run 6-8 weeks. Test enth i might even run to 16 weeks, depends on when i start the cycle since i do want to have time to recover and still be able to do a cutter leading into summer, im talking next summer of course. You guys sayin then to run 750mg of the test enth a week if im running 600mg npp a week? What do you guys think?
It will be my first time with npp (19-nor in general) and dbol. Might even try dbol/oxy since ill have left over oxys after i see how i react to the dbol.
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Week 3 Day 3 Delts Good and Bad
Omg, today was a mess! Woke up 30min late, thought to shot my left delt, that didn't work out. Just a mess. Half way in on my left delt hit a vein, pulled out, switched pins, shot an inch away and hit a vein again, said FU$K it and just shot my left pec 150mg. Had a strong workout in the start but pulled my forearm muscle bad after shrugs and was throbbing the rest of my workout and getting worse after every lift. Had to listen to my body so cut the workout today a tad short, still got the bulk of it done though.
Military Seated Front Smith Machine Press:
warm up
225 x 10 (felt good here)
275 x 4 (solid here)
275 x 4 then super set to grabbing a 45lb plate and doing 10 front raises
Standing Barbell Shrugs Behind the Back then Super Set to Front:
warm up on both
275 x 10 back to 275 x 8 front
315 x 8 back to 315 x 6 front
315 x 6 back to 315 x 6 front (great pump here)
Standing Dumbell Laterial Raises:
warm up
40 x 10
50 x 8 (felt strong here)
60 x 6 (felt stronger here, haha)
60 x 6
This is where i cut it short so just really left out rear delts and abs today. Since tomorrow is my day off from work ill just hit some rear delts and abs after my leg workout tomorrow, no biggie. Laterial raises i was surprised cus i was really doin em, no swaying, no cheating, just raising! Was pretty sweet. Noticing quite a change in the mirror and all my freakin clothes fit too damn tight! Waist as stayed the same, mainly talking about my pant legs and tops. My XL tank top today in the gym felt like a medium! Gotta go shopping again it looks like and my XL long sleeve thermals, forgetaboutit! Gettin pretty swole here whether its water weight or not, likin it! Gotta eat now, got a bomb plate of some steak i cooked up and white pasta!
Of forgot, my gyno symps are getting noticably better now. That small lump behind the nip is already getting smaller and theres almost zero soreness while pressing on the spot now too. Looks like only 3 days of nolva at 20mg ed is really killin it for me. Gonna stay on the nolva even after a few days im all good just to be sure. Glad i chose the nolva instead of the l-dex. I think when im bulking and getting gyno symps ill hit up the nolva and if i get the symps while cutting i use the l-dex since it will also dry me out a bit. Still no proviron yet, gettin pissed about that but what can i do? Hopefully ill at least have it for the tail end of my cycle.
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Great log! Keep it up, i will be following it
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Thanks! The more the better. Feels like im talkin to myself over here, its all good though. Haha.Great log! Keep it up, i will be following it
AR's Pitbull ~Vet~
The postwhore forum is putting post all over the place, with times everywhere and seeing if its like that everywhere else as well
looking sick bro
this post is posted at 1:31am....
AR's Pitbull ~Vet~
Ok its not just testing...
keep up the good work brother man
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Thanks! Looks like i did lose a few lbs from my throw up day. Now at 213lbs steady. Only up 10lbs even from 4 weeks ago now. Aint trippin, i see it as whatever gained after the 6 week mark is probably actual muscle and what ill really keep anyways. Probably will be even more sad when i drop the oxy and lose some more water weight, haha! Mirror doesn't lie though, still no fat gain and every single muscle looks jacked in the mirror! Love it.
Starting to take prami (similar to caber but better) ed now. Usin this to see if it reduces the puffy nips ive had since i was like 6yrs old. Many say it works wonders and can eliminate it for good! Gotta try all avenues before digging deep in my pockets for surgery. Starting at .25mg ed a few hrs before bed. Also gonna stop the oxy's end of this week. This sunday will be my last day of oxy makin it a full 4 weeks of it. Still havent seen anything from these oxys since i first took em except some strength gains, good pumps, bunch of sides. Then again, all those good effects could just be my damn test prop! Oxy sucks for me, NEXT!
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Nice to see that your feeling better and you got a hold on the gyno. AAS is the shit huh?! That proposed cycle looks better, and yes, if it was me i'd jump the test to 750 but that's just me. Take it for what it's worth.
Keep up the good work bro.
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Love it! Yeah, thats true. Unlike Reed and most guys im not tryin to get 230+lbs though. Just don't want to have to shot up 2+grams a week eventually. Id be just fine maintaining at 210 with 5-6bf and off times 215 with 9-10bf. Thats my overall goal.
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Week 4 Day 3 Delts/Abs
Nice shoulder day today. Shot my right delt 150mg. Might have tapped a nerve 3/4 the way in but said fu$k it and shot anyways. Feelin pretty sore now, haha! I swear, my tris and delts are full of veins and/or nerves, im always hitting something in those spots!
Hammer Strength Shoulder Press:
warm up
180 x 10 (felt good here)
230 x 5 (first for this) super set to 45lb plate front raises 10 reps
230 x 2 (super slow) super set to 45lb plate front raises 8 reps
Barbell Front Shrugs:
2 warm up sets
365 x 6
365 x 6 super set to 120lb dumbell shrugs 6 reps, drop set to 85lb bells 4 reps, drop set to 50lb bells 8 reps holding static on each 5 sec. Solid here.
Cable Side Laterial Raises:
warm up
40 x 8
50 x 6
50 x 6 super set to 25lb dumbells laterial raises holding static 5 sec 8 reps
Bent Over Dumbell Raises:
warm up
45 x 10
60 x 6 (felt strong here)
60 x 6
4 sets of abs. Started getting hungry (still am cus im typin this up first before i forget, haha) so head straight home, no cardio today. Still had some great intensity in the gym, feelin swole as always since is started this cycle. Still gonna stop the oxy end of week 4 wether this is how its supposed to work for me or not, over the sides for minimal results imo.
Id say gyno now is 99.5% all gone. Just the slightest hint of hardness behind the nip and thats it, no sensitivity/soreness nothing. Just gonna stick the nolva tonite and tomorrow nite then no more anit-e for me unless it flares up again. All is good! Today is my friday! Can't wait to have the next 3 days off!
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Week 4 Day 4 Off
Today was supposed to be leg day but woke up to hear unfortunate news. Spent most of the day in the hospital with family so no gym and diet was kinda iffy today. Tomorrow everything will be back on track and will just have to workout legs and arms tomorrow, no biggie. Tomorrow should be a nice day in the gym.
Gyno symps are totally gone for sure now, thank God! Not gonna take anymore nolva since it stays in your system for like 3 days so that should be enough to make sure its gone for now. Ill just be sure to keep it handy if anything pops up again i now know nolva does the trick for me just as good as l-dex does. Since starting nolva ive noticed no more weight/size gain but everything else has still been up like strength, energy, intensity, etc. If i remember correctly when i took the l-dex last time for this same problem my strength, intensity, everything really stopped going up. Seems nolva is the better choice for me for gyno symps when they pop up on cycle, thats without a 19-nor on cycle of course! If i was taking a 19-nor with gyno symps id for sure jump on l-dex since nolva is said to make it worse possibly. Looking in the mirror i can see much difference, all my muscles look so much fuller and define i love it! Even on a bulking diet my abs feel hard as a rock i swear, harder then before and im barely training them once or twice a week! My abs arent showing more than before but just feel a lot harder and define under that thin layer of fat i have on them. Nice to know when i diet down ill already have those hard abs ready to be shown! Will possibly take some pics saturday or sunday, we'll see.
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Week 4 Day 5 Legs/Arms
Shot right quad 150mg today. Must have nicked a nerve on the way out or something. Got a grip of dark blood that followed the pin and got almost an instant bruise where i pinned. Since yesterday was supposed to be legs and today arms i had a double workout today doin both to keep caught up on things, boy was it exhausting!
Lying Leg Curl Super Set to Seated Leg Extensions:
2 warm ups on each
130 x 6 to 225 x 10 (felt solid here for 10 reps)
130 x 6 to 240 x 6 (Even Better! Personal best here for solid reps!)
130 x 6 to 240 x 6
Leg Press Super Set to Hack Squat Machine:
warm up on each
450 x 10 to 180 x 6
540 x 6 to 180 x 6
540 x 6 to 180 x 6 (Bout the same as last time but little easier)
Standing Single Leg Curl:
warm up
50 x 8
60 x 6
60 x 6 (Personal Best Here Too!)
Donkey Calf Raise Super Set to Standing Calf Raise:
warm up on each
180 x 10 to 200 x 8
200 x 8 to 200 x 6
200 x 8 to 200 x 6 (Feeling Dead Now and Gotta Do Arms)
Single Arm Preacher Curl Machine Super Set to Standing Overhead Single Ext:
warm up on each
70 x 6 to 50 x 8
70 x 6 to 60 x 6 (Felt Solid Here)
70 x 6 to 60 x 6 (No Stress on Elbows, All Tris!)
Standing EZ-Curls Super Set to Lying Skull Crushers:
warm up on each
115 x 6 to 115 x 8 (Wrists Killed On Curls so stopped)
Standing Hammer Curls to Same as Above:
50 x 8 to 115 x 8
60 x 6 to 115 x 8
60 x 6 to 115 x 8
Standing Overhead Cable Curls to Cable Press Downs Super Slow!:
warm up on each
60 x 8 to 80 x 10
70 x 6 to 95 x 8
70 x 6 to 95 x 8 (Felt Fu$king Huge by Now!)
Thats it! I don't care what the scale says at this point cus the mirror says it all and so does everyone else, "What the **** are you taking?" Haha! Really shows now, love it! Still crazy how i just started still, got like 10 more weeks. Gonna look so ill after this cycle i think.
Now 8hrs later my inject is killing! Just cus i hit a nerve for sure but kills none the less. Gonna try to wake up and do some first thing cardio with 12g bcaa before hand for 30min. Tomorrow will be off, can't wait! Overall today i hit some bigger weights in the start of my leg workout then on the presses i had more stamina but still same weight as last week. Next leg day ima go all out on squats and see where im at there, haven't done those in forever! Arms too was pretty solid. Didn't have time for forearms today but its all good.
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