Best oral gear.

[seriousmass]

So now your saying you know the op on a personal leavel??? You think it is ok then to tell some that its ok and others that its not??
Besides this you are missing my point altogether. As i said before ive read three different threads and in all three the advice given is conflicting, WHY??
If there isnt common ground here then hell i shall tell the next sixteen year old to use as much tren as he can, we can tell all those people that winny will get rid of that 40% body fat and no, theres no need to even go to the gym..

NO, obviously I don't know him. but you can what he's said and fill in the blanks. It's not science buddy.

1.) he has a wife and kids. He is obviously not >20

2.) he previously stated it's not his first cycle & he gave a fair enough reason for not wanting to inject.

The reason you've read three different threads with conflicting advice, is because as I have stated 4 times in this thread alone... you have to look at an oral only cycle from an individual basis.

They aren't recommended as first cycles, because most people who start AAS aren't dedicated enough to not drink, etc. while on. which is especially dangerous to do while taking an oral. In addition, most first timers would become depressed after there 4 - 6 week oral only cycle, because up to 70% of the weight will get pissed out during PCT. Nevertheless, if you are experienced / knowledgeable you can use an oral only cycle as a quick bulker, and keep excellent strength gains from them.

case closed.

[Matt]

Yes i agree. Imo oral only is not good....
You still arent getting it, in one thread people are telling someone what cycle to run yet the guy is only 20, imo this is wrong...
In another thread the op is asking for advice on what to stack with test on his first cycle, and people are naming other steroids to stack with his test, imo this is wrong.
And here some are saying its ok and others are saying its not ok to run orals...

My point is this, if we are telling people that age doesnt matter then thats fine by me, but its know good if we tell half of them its ok and the other half that its not.
If we are saying that test only for a first cycle is a good way to start steroids then its know good telling some that it is and some that it isnt....

Ive read a thread for example where the op is 20, now someone says look for such and such reasons your to young. But then someone else will say, "well you should start taking this and that". What kind of message is this giving out??

[fdirosato]

It seems to me that somewhere here and in other threads we need to reach some common ground. We get 20 year olds who ask for cycle advice, some will give them a cycle a some will tell them their to young. We have people asking about oral only cycles, some will say its ok and some will say its not. We have first timers wanting first cycle advice, some will tell them to run test only and some will tell them to add this or that..
Whats happening guys? Because if its hurting my fuvking head reading all this then god only knows how the newbies feel. I know we all have different views but do you realise how damn confusing it is? Maybe i should just stay in the lounge..

i like that good point. it really is confusing reading all the different op for someone new.

[HuntMan]

^^ I understand what Mad Matt is saying, And I understand everyone elses point. I agree with Matt that in some cases, there should be some common ground on basic posts.As he stated in some posts there are 20yr olds asking for first cylce advice.Some and most members state the usually, (Stats?, Cycle History, age?, training exp?) and while others just come out and say 12 weeks of test only is good, Pct, diet and your good to go without acknowleding (sp) there stats. That can and is confusing to newbies. So i totally agree with Mad Matts point.

[downcrash]

I've never gained more strength and weight than I did when I took anadrol. With that said, I lost everything and my love handles now look like chewed gum.

[dec11]

Whats wrong with an oral only cycle??? Literally thousands have done oral only for a 1st cycle and the educated, dedicated ones made some great gains and kept most of them, including me. Dbol for 6wks is a good intro into the world of aas and always will be, how you can say you should never run orals alone is just narrow mindedness.

yup, 8wks dbol was my 1st cycle, great results off it

[RoidBoid]

Whats wrong with an oral only cycle??? Literally thousands have done oral only for a 1st cycle and the educated, dedicated ones made some great gains and kept most of them, including me. Dbol for 6wks is a good intro into the world of aas and always will be, how you can say you should never run orals alone is just narrow mindedness.

i think its an english thing lats, i like u started oral only, i kept 90% of what i gained and i taught me alot, if your diets right and your educated then i dont see why not...

i ran orals for 20weeks straight (before i was educated), never shut down...