sorry

[BgMc31]

^^^where did I say the Stars and Stripes are a symbol of racism? And please educate me on why the Confederate flag isn't? Furthermore please explain to me why the Nazi flag and the confederate flag don't both symbolize similar racist/superiority rhetoric? If the Confederate flag doesn't symbolize racism then why is it used by every southern racist group? Did the south not succeed for from the union partly because of the issue of slavery. After Reconstruction did the south not continue to fly the flag as it instituted Jim Crowe laws and sanctioned murder of blacks by local law enforcement?

[Ernst]

Every flag I can think of has some nasty history of intolerance behind it. Calling this guy out for his is pointless and immature. Maybe your grandfather, who served in a segregated Army and was treated better on foreign soil can explain to you that our flag has more crimes committed in it's honor than that garish orange thing ever will. Maybe he can also remind you that this guy is free to say and think what he pleases thanks to brave men like those who came before you.

[BgMc31]

^^^I never said he couldn't say what he wanted. That doesn't diminish the fact that I can't say what I want as well. If he posted an avatar with a Nazi flag on it would you be so quick to support it? Why is it so hard for you to understand that the two are one in the same? And I still don't understand why you consider it immature. Please explain this?

[BgMc31]

some people are just waaayyyyyy over the top...

yea, i say bring it back , son!

Sorry?? Tracy Chapman?? Is all that you can say, forgive me....

Anyway i say bring back hanging...

awwww...ur gonna get in trouble by all the sensitive ppl on here

Some people are too thin skinned if a confederate flag offended them.

I have a message for the sensitive people on this forum..Grow the fuvk up, you have to be over 18 years old to be on here in the first place....Who gives a fuvk it is the fuvking internet you fuvking cry babies. If you whine over this small shit you need to just kill yourself, you fuvking pu&&ies.

I smell *****.

hey, why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel???


I agree, and my avy offends me so I turned myself in !!!


its the internet dammmit its freaking pictures,....you have the option to block posts or members that contain anything you don't want to see

so take the tampon out of your ass and move along...............

So people are offended that you're from the south? I don't get that.
My avy probably offends people. **** em. Do what you want bro.
If people can't handle it. **** em. Don't water yourself down for anyone else.

My collective "FVCK YOU" was in response to all these previous comments! Two rights don't make a wrong, I know, but no one could see the other side of the coin before they lashed out at those offended.

[scerpico22]

My collective "FVCK YOU" was in response to all these previous comments! Two rights don't make a wrong, I know, but no one could see the other side of the coin before they lashed out at those offended.

sooooo, you're the only intelligent one on the board...YOU are the one who showed us the light of the other side of the coin...damn thank God you are here man because if not I would just walk around aimlessly bumping my head into shit like a dumb ass until i died.

thank you for the enlightenment....DOUCHE!

[BgMc31]

sooooo, you're the only intelligent one on the board...YOU are the one who showed us the light of the other side of the coin...damn thank God you are here man because if not I would just walk around aimlessly bumping my head into shit like a dumb ass until i died.

thank you for the enlightenment....DOUCHE!

There you go with the personal attacks and name calling. Since you want to continue to call me that, let me ask you a question? Do you mean that figuratively or literally?

If you mean it figuratively, urban dictionary states that a douche is someone "who proves themselves brainless in one way or another". Clearly my post demonstrate that I am not brainless, so if you are going to insult me, at least you can call me a name that actually applies. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=douche

If you mean it literally then I take it as a compliment. Because it would seem that the word implies that I have been somewhere you haven't and that's inside a woman's *****. Therefore again, I take it as a compliment!!!

So since you have to stoop to the level of name calling to detract from the original post, let me see if we can't get you back on course and discuss the original topic or we can drop it, choice is yours...

[Ernst]

I ABSOLUTELY support your right to disagree. Wouldn't be much of an American if I didn't. And honestly, yes. I would support his Nazi avatar. Does that make me a Nazi? No. It means I believe in freedom. I admire Bobby Seale a lot more than Adolf Hitler. You don't have to listen to all the nuts out there. I think it's immature to bully people because you don't agree with a symbol they hold dear because your perception of it differs, albeit understandably so. I'm big on the I'll leave you alone, you leave me alone philosophy.

[QuieTSToRM33]

just for the record ... the south will not rise again

[Matt]

I like sex slaves..

[countrybhoy]

can you still buy them mat . im fed up begging lol

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

I like sex slaves..

preferably midgets

[Matt]

preferably boys

^^ Now im worried

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

^^ Now im worried

hahaha jackass!

[RA]

bgmc puts up a very good argument as usual.

But I have a question for you bro...do you believe the person that put the flag up or anyone else in this thread wants or believes in slavery? I mean we can only take the pc stuff so far until I want to upchuck kittens.

[BgMc31]

bgmc puts up a very good argument as usual.

But I have a question for you bro...do you believe the person that put the flag up or anyone else in this thread wants or believes in slavery? I mean we can only take the pc stuff so far until I want to upchuck kittens.

No, I've had convos with Countrybhoy already about this and we agree to disagree. What many don't understand is that I wasn't referring to slavery. The Confederate flag was used post-civil war to continue the oppression of blacks through Jim Crowe laws and the outright practice of murder and subjegation.

There are very few symbols of hate that we can and cannot accept. Again, I refer back to the swatztika. For thousands of years many cultures (from Egypt to India) used that symbol to symbolize good. But it was bastardized by the Nazi's. Even today, no matter what, that symbol will always be linked to one of the most vile human beings and regimes in human history. Why, because it's still used as a symbol of hate by extremist. The Confederate flag represents that same sentiment.

I truly understand the history of the Southern succession. I've done quite the research on it. But it was a society built not only on slave labor but on an idea of racial superiority. Now we all know that the American flag was built on similar principles BUT much of that was rectofide by legislation that was fought tooth and nail by southern states under the auspices of the confederate flag. Even to this day many white southeners use the confederate flag to represent these sentiments.

I respect Countrybhoy's sentiments and realize that since he lives in Ireland he may or may not know how deep the negative sentiments of this flag go to many people. That being said, no matter how it is spun, the Confederate flag will always be synonimous with racist ideology in this country. Based not necessarily in the institute of slavery but rather the resulting consequences of the idea of racial superiority.

BTW, Bigsexxy, the Emancipation Proclamation freed the southern slaves in 1863. It was a desperate move by Lincoln to turn the tide of the war. The Confederacy didn't do. As a matter of fact the reason why some blacks (particularly in Texas) celebrate Juneteenth is because slaves in Texas didn't hear of the Emancipation Proclamation until June 16th 1865, when Union soldiers arrived in Texas and informed them. The 13th amendment was passed by Congress in 1865 (January to be exact), but it wasn't ratified for another 11 months afterwards. But again, the Confederate flag debacle isn't about slavery. It's about the symbolism of racial superiority.

[RA]

No, I've had convos with Countrybhoy already about this and we agree to disagree. What many don't understand is that I wasn't referring to slavery. The Confederate flag was used post-civil war to continue the oppression of blacks through Jim Crowe laws and the outright practice of murder and subjegation.

True

There are very few symbols of hate that we can and cannot accept. Again, I refer back to the swatztika. For thousands of years many cultures (from Egypt to India) used that symbol to symbolize good. But it was bastardized by the Nazi's. Even today, no matter what, that symbol will always be linked to one of the most vile human beings and regimes in human history. Why, because it's still used as a symbol of hate by extremist. The Confederate flag represents that same sentiment.

I disagree. I see a lot of rebel flags (northern MI..go figure) on vehicles..its a given that they are normally on jacked up redneck looking type trucks but I dont believe that everyone that has one believes in white superiority..thats not the first thing that anyone thinks when they see the rebel flag...they do think that when seeing the swastika.

[*RAGE*]

No, I've had convos with Countrybhoy already about this and we agree to disagree. What many don't understand is that I wasn't referring to slavery. The Confederate flag was used post-civil war to continue the oppression of blacks through Jim Crowe laws and the outright practice of murder and subjegation.I am sure you had nothing to do with slavery nor did I..you are an idiot

There are very few symbols of hate that we can and cannot accept. Again, I refer back to the swatztika. It is not a swatztika For thousands of years many cultures (from Egypt to India) used that symbol to symbolize good. But it was bastardized by the Nazi's. Even today, no matter what, that symbol will always be linked to one of the most vile human beings and regimes in human history. Why, because it's still used as a symbol of hate by extremist. The Confederate flag represents that same sentiment.bullshit, to make a statement like this makes you a dumb ass.

I truly understand the history of the Southern succession. I've done quite the research on it. But it was a society built not only on slave labor but on an idea of racial superiority. Now we all know that the American flag was built on similar principles BUT much of that was rectofide by legislation that was fought tooth and nail by southern states under the auspices of the confederate flag. Even to this day many white southeners use the confederate flag to represent these sentiments.

I respect Countrybhoy's sentiments and realize that since he lives in Ireland he may or may not know how deep the negative sentiments of this flag go to many people.Why That being said, no matter how it is spun, the Confederate flag will always be synonimous with racist ideology in this country. bullshit I knwo several black guys that have one and display itBased not necessarily in the institute of slavery but rather the resulting consequences of the idea of racial superiority.

BTW, Bigsexxy, the Emancipation Proclamation freed the southern slaves in 1863. It was a desperate move by Lincoln to turn the tide of the war. The Confederacy didn't do. As a matter of fact the reason why some blacks (particularly in Texas) celebrate Juneteenth is because slaves in Texas didn't hear of the Emancipation Proclamation until June 16th 1865, when Union soldiers arrived in Texas and informed them. The 13th amendment was passed by Congress in 1865 (January to be exact), but it wasn't ratified for another 11 months afterwards. But again, the Confederate flag debacle isn't about slavery. It's about the symbolism of racial superiority.

Slavery has been dead for so long get over it you were never a slave nor will your children be...It is a flag that has meaning to people from the south, like other thread in the lounge if you dont like them walk away. don't post in them unless you are looking for a fight.

[IM708]

What, people havn't gotten over an incident that happened over 130 years ago. They don't know anyone personally whos been there or know any1 who has talked to someone who has been there. These hypersensitive pricks need to get a hobby collecting bottle caps and get their oozing vag's checked out, leave this forum.

[scerpico22]

The confederate flag will never be an acceptable symbol, neither to Northerners, civil rights activists, or African-Americans. Sure, the flag no longer means the enforcement of slavery to most of the Southerners that associate with it, but some things will never change to those on the outside who view it. Which I for one think is ignorant.

After the Holocaust, there was a movement in America to change the Swastika, once an aboriginal symbol of peace, back into its original meaning. The symbol, it was claimed, was once a good symbol and could be used for good again. The movement died when it became apparent that the world would forever associate Swastika's with the Nazis, never again with anything to do with peace.

The Confederate flag, unfortunately, falls into the same category. You can try to change its meaning, but outsiders will always view it as a sign of hatred and bigotry.

That being said, if the OP believes the flag to be a symbol of Southern pride and wishes to fly it here he is wrong and must take it down...why because some think it is a sign of slavery and oppression?

Well the same hold true for the Swastika...if someone in here is into Semiotics and they post a Swastika as their avy because they believe in is first true meaning, they must take it down because some else associates it with the Nazi's?

Hmmmm, I dont think so!

Just my $0.02 in the topic...

[T-MOS]

Nevermind.........

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Show me ONE flag in all the world that doesn't have SOME kind of bad thing attached behind it


Get over it !! Its all in your head and what you allow yourself to focus on.....

gee if someone feels oppressed by Superman does that mean I have to take him out of my avatar?? grow the fvck up and get over yourself....

as long as there is NO MALLACE intended by the representation in the avatar then let it go!!!!

I've actually been PM'ing Admin about that Superman crap!!!
I mean, being a Lex Luthor fan...this greatly offends me

[scerpico22]

Get over it !! Its all in your head and what you allow yourself to focus on.....

gee if someone feels oppressed by Superman does that mean I have to take him out of my avatar?? grow the fvck up and get over yourself....

as long as there is NO MALLACE intended by the representation in the avatar then let it go!!!!

this is my exact point with my post above T-Mos. If someone assumes the others meaning for a negative connotation you are right and they are wrong therefor I am judge and jury take it down because "I" am offended...

no, no, no....I think not.

[BgMc31]

Show me ONE flag in all the world that doesn't have SOME kind of bad thing attached behind it


Get over it !! Its all in your head and what you allow yourself to focus on.....

gee if someone feels oppressed by Superman does that mean I have to take him out of my avatar?? grow the fvck up and get over yourself....

as long as there is NO MALLACE intended by the representation in the avatar then let it go!!!!

While I understand your point, the maliciousness of this post is unecessary. Your post indicates YOU NEED TO GROW THE FVCK UP!!! This is a thread for intelligent debate not for somebody to demean others. And comparing Superman to the Confederate flag or the Nazi flag is ignorant in its simplification.

[T-MOS]

Nevermind.......

[Matt]

While I understand your point, the maliciousness of this post is unecessary. Your post indicates YOU NEED TO GROW THE FVCK UP!!! This is a thread for intelligent debate not for somebody to demean others. And comparing Superman to the Confederate flag or the Nazi flag is ignorant in its simplification.

Your a sad twat....

I love flaming...

[NATE0406]

how come its only racist when white ppl do something??? i live in the south. arkansas to be exact and i have met more racist african amercians and mexicans then white ppl. come on guys. the black panthers where a racist radical group but some how they where heros. and i see african americans always repping there flag or symbols.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

how come its only racist when white ppl do something??? i live in the south. arkansas to be exact and i have met more racist african amercians and mexicans then white ppl. come on guys. the black panthers where a racist radical group but some how they where heros. and i see african americans always repping there flag or symbols.

Because their great great grandparents were slaves, so that makes them slaves..somehow...and makes white people jackass racist slave owners...
I didn't know I owned any slaves, but I get reminded a few times a week. Weird I know.

So now they gotta get us back for all those years....lol

[*RAGE*]

What do you think when you see the flag above? Racism? Slavery? Hatred? White supremacy?

Something worse?

Now, what do you see on the flag above? The color Red? White? Blue? Thirteen stars?

Is that all? See anything else?

Look closer and take some time to think about what you're actually seeing... examine every detail of the flag.

The design of this flag actually tells the story about what the flag stood for, and my friend...

... it says NOTHING about racism, slavery, hatred or white supremacy!

You could remove all COLOR from this flag, leaving just the outline of the details, and still get the picture...

... if your mind wasn't already clouded with the LIES, STUPIDITY and TOTAL IGNORANCE of those who taught you what they have chosen to think it stands for... which is generally the negative attributes listed above.

First of all, the flag above is NOT the "Confederate Flag." It is the "Battle Flag of Northern Virginia." This design, however, is the one most synonymous with the term, and the one used in various forms on other Confederate Flags. It is also the one most hated by those who have no clue what it stands for or the story its design tells.

So look again at the flag and answer this question : Do you see a big letter "X" on it anywhere? How about if I lay that "X" down on its side like this? : See it now? The X is the big, blue bands outlined with white trim that the thirteen stars are placed on.

And do you know what these thirteen stars represent? They represent the thirteen original colonies that formed the first united states of this country. Knowing this is the key to understanding the design of this flag and its TRUE meaning.

The thirteen stars on this flag appear to lie on the blue X... but in reality, the X lies on the starts.

Do you remember from your grade-school years how the teachers would ask you to circle the right answers or picture on a page, or to put an X on the wrong answer or picture? That is the same, basic concept here... the stars on this flag are laid out in the pattern of an X, and the blue bands on this flag were put on the thirteen stars (which represent the 13 original, "united" states) to show that the southern states no longer wanted to be "united" with the northern states. The southern states withdrew from that union in a movement called "secession, which led to the Civil War."

That's it. Its just that simple. If this flag represented slavery, hatred, white supremacy, or something worse, it would contain pictures of the faces of those whom it stood against, and there would be a big X on their faces.

But that is NOT what is on this flag.

And that is NOT what this flag represents.

[scerpico22]

What do you think when you see the flag above? Racism? Slavery? Hatred? White supremacy?

Something worse?

Now, what do you see on the flag above? The color Red? White? Blue? Thirteen stars?

Is that all? See anything else?

Look closer and take some time to think about what you're actually seeing... examine every detail of the flag.

The design of this flag actually tells the story about what the flag stood for, and my friend...

... it says NOTHING about racism, slavery, hatred or white supremacy!

You could remove all COLOR from this flag, leaving just the outline of the details, and still get the picture...

... if your mind wasn't already clouded with the LIES, STUPIDITY and TOTAL IGNORANCE of those who taught you what they have chosen to think it stands for... which is generally the negative attributes listed above.

First of all, the flag above is NOT the "Confederate Flag." It is the "Battle Flag of Northern Virginia." This design, however, is the one most synonymous with the term, and the one used in various forms on other Confederate Flags. It is also the one most hated by those who have no clue what it stands for or the story its design tells.

So look again at the flag and answer this question : Do you see a big letter "X" on it anywhere? How about if I lay that "X" down on its side like this? : See it now? The X is the big, blue bands outlined with white trim that the thirteen stars are placed on.

And do you know what these thirteen stars represent? They represent the thirteen original colonies that formed the first united states of this country. Knowing this is the key to understanding the design of this flag and its TRUE meaning.

The thirteen stars on this flag appear to lie on the blue X... but in reality, the X lies on the starts.

Do you remember from your grade-school years how the teachers would ask you to circle the right answers or picture on a page, or to put an X on the wrong answer or picture? That is the same, basic concept here... the stars on this flag are laid out in the pattern of an X, and the blue bands on this flag were put on the thirteen stars (which represent the 13 original, "united" states) to show that the southern states no longer wanted to be "united" with the northern states. The southern states withdrew from that union in a movement called "secession, which led to the Civil War."

That's it. Its just that simple. If this flag represented slavery, hatred, white supremacy, or something worse, it would contain pictures of the faces of those whom it stood against, and there would be a big X on their faces.

But that is NOT what is on this flag.

And that is NOT what this flag represents.

[Matt]

I like flags....

[T-MOS]

I like flags....

did you say flags or fags?????

well I guess you like both so its ok

[Matt]

did you say flags or fags?????

well I guess you like both so its ok

hahaha, Flags bro, you can ask jayne about the other...

Fags are cool though....

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

I like fags....

Fixed.

[RA]

Always thought he was a little "funny"

Fixed.

[Matt]

Fixed.

Hahaha, bastard...

[Matt]

Fixed.

I got you good in your own thread lol...

[BgMc31]

how come its only racist when white ppl do something??? i live in the south. arkansas to be exact and i have met more racist african amercians and mexicans then white ppl. come on guys. the black panthers where a racist radical group but some how they where heros. and i see african americans always repping there flag or symbols.

Nobody called anyone racist. To whom are the Black Panthers heroes? Are you speaking for all black people and what gives you the credibility to do that? What symbols are African Americans repping that are overtly symbols of racism? You may have met more black and hispanic racist than white, but you are also white, I 'could' say the same thing, but I won't because I know all white people aren't racist although I've met my fair share. I also recognize the fact that racism exist across all colors.

I disagree. I see a lot of rebel flags (northern MI..go figure) on vehicles..its a given that they are normally on jacked up redneck looking type trucks but I dont believe that everyone that has one believes in white superiority..thats not the first thing that anyone thinks when they see the rebel flag...they do think that when seeing the swastika.

Again, I'm not calling everyone that reps that flag a racist. Re-read my posts. What I was saying is that 'I' consider that flag racist for what for the history of it and the fact that its used by extremist as such.

What do you think when you see the flag above? Racism? Slavery? Hatred? White supremacy?

Something worse?

Now, what do you see on the flag above? The color Red? White? Blue? Thirteen stars?

Is that all? See anything else?

Look closer and take some time to think about what you're actually seeing... examine every detail of the flag.

The design of this flag actually tells the story about what the flag stood for, and my friend...

... it says NOTHING about racism, slavery, hatred or white supremacy!

You could remove all COLOR from this flag, leaving just the outline of the details, and still get the picture...

... if your mind wasn't already clouded with the LIES, STUPIDITY and TOTAL IGNORANCE of those who taught you what they have chosen to think it stands for... which is generally the negative attributes listed above.

First of all, the flag above is NOT the "Confederate Flag." It is the "Battle Flag of Northern Virginia." This design, however, is the one most synonymous with the term, and the one used in various forms on other Confederate Flags. It is also the one most hated by those who have no clue what it stands for or the story its design tells.

So look again at the flag and answer this question : Do you see a big letter "X" on it anywhere? How about if I lay that "X" down on its side like this? : See it now? The X is the big, blue bands outlined with white trim that the thirteen stars are placed on.

And do you know what these thirteen stars represent? They represent the thirteen original colonies that formed the first united states of this country. Knowing this is the key to understanding the design of this flag and its TRUE meaning.

The thirteen stars on this flag appear to lie on the blue X... but in reality, the X lies on the starts.

Do you remember from your grade-school years how the teachers would ask you to circle the right answers or picture on a page, or to put an X on the wrong answer or picture? That is the same, basic concept here... the stars on this flag are laid out in the pattern of an X, and the blue bands on this flag were put on the thirteen stars (which represent the 13 original, "united" states) to show that the southern states no longer wanted to be "united" with the northern states. The southern states withdrew from that union in a movement called "secession, which led to the Civil War."

That's it. Its just that simple. If this flag represented slavery, hatred, white supremacy, or something worse, it would contain pictures of the faces of those whom it stood against, and there would be a big X on their faces.

But that is NOT what is on this flag.

And that is NOT what this flag represents.

Nobody is debating how the flag was designed and why. The last time I looked the Nazi flag didn't have stereotypical images of Jews on it. You misinterpreted my posts. Their is no denying that white supremist groups use the Confederate flag as a source of racial solidarity and white pride. It was also used post-reconstruction as a symbol of their heritage which included (like it or not) a white supremacist ideology.

Slavery has been dead for so long get over it you were never a slave nor will your children be...It is a flag that has meaning to people from the south, like other thread in the lounge if you dont like them walk away. don't post in them unless you are looking for a fight.

I'm not looking for a fight...internet tough guy. And again, how many times do I have to say this? This isn't about slavery!!!!

What, people havn't gotten over an incident that happened over 130 years ago. They don't know anyone personally whos been there or know any1 who has talked to someone who has been there. These hypersensitive pricks need to get a hobby collecting bottle caps and get their oozing vag's checked out, leave this forum.

I wouldn't call slavery an "incident". But again, this isn't about slavery!!!

[scerpico22]

What I was saying is that 'I' consider that flag racist

And because YOU consider the flag racist therefore countrybhoy cant fly his flag in his avy?

Damn brother, the balls on you let me tell you...

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

I got you good in your own thread lol...

lol I know! I had to get you back somehow...haha

[RA]

rage I disagree with bgmc 100% but the board has a no flame policy. You can make an argument without attacking the person.