I'm sure people do it.
I was just saying that sensibly, it would make more sense to proposition a man for sex or an animal, then a blow dryer.
Are people really that dissappointed in their sex lives that they need to resort to fvckn machines? Its rather sad, at this pace in 10 years you'll see people textn on their cell phones, then taking out their cocks and fvckn the shit out of them.
Nothing else logical to expect really..
well I know from the women's point of view (because i'm into very kinky porn) that the machines can do things no male can ever hope to do. A machine doesn't get tired....it can **** a girl as hard as she wants as long as she wants, and she can put whatever size dildo on it that she wants too.
and i have no sex life so i wouldn't know if i was disappointed with it or not
Yeh well I would never go for a chick that was into that shit.
An apple pie can do things a woman can't (like shut the fvck up while your dick is in it) but you don't see me bring home apple pies so my gf can watch me fvck them.
Theres a reason they can do things that men can't, they are MACHINES.
**MACHINES**
Who in their right mind can even have a sexual thought towards a machine? HOW does that shit turn people on?
You really have got to be a sick twisted fvck to be into it. You can call me a conservative/traditional person but I'm not.
Nature gave men penis's and women vaginas FOR A REASON.
One thing I can promise you that wasn't on natures mind, was that one day wed start carving holes in trees and fvckn them too. Then later as we became "civilized" we started to make machines the shake and get wet.
I'm sorry but I'm too strong in my beliefs to ever condone this crap. There are a MILLION things you do first BEFORE you decide to buy a machine for sexual pleasure. You see a dating coach, take a tantra class, see a sex therapist, see a shrink, dump your partner, start swinging etc etc. Theres a lot of things you can do, and I still can't figure out the appeal in a machine.
Human attraction is a force based on living breathing likeminded creatures. They look like us, talk like us, we wanna fvck it.
I DO NOT however understand how people take that attraction outside that context.
No you're right is doesn't make them GAY.
Nor did I say it would. But how you just got defensive about the prospect of being gay only proves my point further.
If I said "you like to have sex with machines", you wouldn't care.
When I throw in "men", all a sudden you care.
Well let me tell you something, the ONLY reason you don't care, is because you haven't been brainwashed by your parents to feel the same amount of lowness having sex with a machine then with a man.
Thats the ONLY reason.
Society teaches you to feel a certain way about being gay. It also teaches you that is ok to have sex with things that aren't alive, essentially dead things. And all I'm saying is, not only is our society extremely fvcked up for accepting that shit, but to condone it over being gay is preposterous, the same way you JUST minimized having sex with a "sex toy" and couldn't bare to contemplate the fact that having sex with men would make more sense to someone like me, rather then sticking your cock in a fvckn plastic toy.
I understand we accept this crap in society ("sex toys/robots". I have nothing against gays (I'm actually being supportive if anything), but please please please do not think for a second when your cock is inside one of these "toys" that you are any more a man then the gay man next to you. Tell me you're gay I'll say "cool, good for you who cares?".
Tell me you like having sex with machines and I'll say "you are a fvckn loser, a sick twisted loser fvck and if you have any dignity left for doing that shit please shoot yourself in the face cause theres no hope".
I'm dead serious.
PEOPLE ARE HAVING SEX WITH OBJECTS. How is this ok? How the fvck did we manage to brainwash so many people that theres no problems with it? If you're not happy with your lover TEACH THEM how to have sex right. Find someone else, but please, a fvckn machine? Are you kiddn me?
I don't give a fvck if 99% of the population thinks its normal if I ever found my brother/male friend using one of these things Id punch them in the face till their head exploded.
Women too. You wanna have a vibrator I'll tell you what, not when you're with me bitch, get the fvck out. If I brought a blow up doll home Im not sure my gf would be happy, but we're suppose to tolerate their vibrators?
Fvck that. I don't care how you look at it its having sex with an object, its not normal, I don't care how long we've been doing it for but it needs to stop.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and of course everyone has their own preferences.
However I do not see the comparison you are making with gays, and sex toys.
You see a woman using a vibrator is no different from her using her fingers to get herself off, it just makes the whole process alot more easy and enjoyable.
Just like when you jerk yourself off, if you do it a couple times a day, even if you do have a girlfriend, does that make you a loser?
Of-course not.
Sex toys are nothing more than a crudge to just having sex with yourself, and I would rather please myself then have sex with some girl I just meet at the club and know nothing about, and risk the chance of getting and STD.
I do see your point of view though, you remind me of my farther, he is old fashion and would be disgusted by this whole thing.
but ultimately people are going to make their own choices, it isn't the media, I mean hell we wouldn't have all the members we have on this site, if they all followed society because everyone knows society is against steroids.
EDIT:
Let me make it clear, that sex toys are not in anyway better or equal to real sex, but it is a safe alterenative "ruhl" *cough cough*
And yes If I could have sex whenever I wanted I wouldnt get one, infact I dont own any. But I am not against it.
So its just me and my hand, I suppose I will hear you guys say something about that now?
Last edited by beatango2008; 11-16-2009 at 11:17 PM.
dude, are you ****ing kidding me.
all my parents taught me is that being gay is alright. my problem with ****ing a dude comes from instinctual desire, period. my natural attraction is towards women. when something so much as resembles a man, it cant register as beig sexually arousing. i wasnt raised by ****in nazi's dude, and ive NEVER felt that being gay was wrong. its natural, instinctual attraction, and it as nothing to do with society, influence, or experience. i mean the fact that i like a girl to have long hair, or wear a push up bra?? maybe, but the rest is untampered, innate, intuition.
how the **** can you compair having sex with an inanimate obect, with the gender of a human being you arent sexually attracted too. dude, are you out of your ****ing mind?! this robotic masterbation sleeve thing, has no face, or soul, or life. all it does is turn on and basically do what weve done with our hands for years, and probably does it better. how in the ****, can you even put that in the same margin as having sex with another man, when you arent homosexual. THAT is unnatural dude. that, is ****in disturbing.
i mean think about it. sex is a human need and right. and some people just cant get it. there are guys who havent gotten laid in ****in years man. think about guys in jail. so deprived they are ****in RAPING each other dude. u think thats natural? you think thats dignified? going against your natural attraction because you are so ****ing desperate just to feel what you were genetically programed to desire?? how sad and crazy is that man. just like people raping animals. they are so desperate for sex they do it with something that cant give them consent but they can take it with having a little clean piece of conscience left because they didnt rape another human being. that shit, is the furthest thing from natural i can think of.
they give every dude in jail one of these, think about how much less rapes there would be. (well, if they are any good, lol)
i mean what is the fundimetal problem here? the simulation? because maybe someday we wont jerk ourselves off anymore? masturbation is about feeding the need man straight up. the only piece of humanity involved in that is a hormonal itch that needs to be scratched. who gives a F-CK how people do it man. for real. its no less human, then taking a bus, or using this computer. we dont walk, we drive. we dont speak, we type. thats the direction technology has taken us...and honestly, i think its sucked the life out of way more important shit then this trivial topic.
this thing does NOT replace love, or relationships, or our humanity. its a battery powered rubber thing that helps a dude rub one out.
get over it.
Last edited by thetank; 11-17-2009 at 12:47 AM.
I’m not sure what your argument is. Being gay was 5% of the statement I made, having sex with people vs having sex with inanimate objects is the other 95%. What does your “instinctual desire” tell you about fvckn blow dryers? It should tell you that its not normal.
So you’re implying I was raised by Nazis, great. (otherwise why say it?)
Lets see what’s next.
Ok grammar seems to be a serious problem for you but I’ll still try my best to understand what you are saying.
The comparison is VALID because sex is the common denominator. Whether you have sex with a man, toy, tree or wall its actually the most valid comparison a person can make. You’re logic is obviously getting blurred by how emotional you were when you wrote this. Please try to curse less and make sense more.
Wait.. you just said that sleeve thing has “no face, soul or life”, then you mention having sex with a man (who has a face, soul and life) and THEN you say the latter is “unnatural”? Let me reframe that for you.
YOU SAID, its unnatural to have sex with a man (and disturbing) but its ok to have sex with something that ISN’T even alive? I have one question for you, can I please get some of whatever you are smoking? I’m dead serious do you just babble aimlessly or ever even consider what the hell you just said? You technically just proved yourself wrong.
Think about what?
How having sex with an object is natural? I won’t even go to the extreme of calling you insane, I will however go to the extreme of saying you have no analytical thought capabilities whatsoever.
I agree, but having sex with animals and raping men isn’t a sign of repressed desire, it’s a sign of NO SELF CONTROL. There are tons of people who don’t get laid that don’t rape animals or men. Its sad and crazy I agree with you on that, but I still say 100% its more natural for a man to rape a man then for a man to rape a wall or blow up doll. And using a population of people who are known for not following social norms (prisoners) to justify breaking social norms is really not a bright idea at all.
You’re implying that rapists rape while they’re on the streets cause they’re not getting laid. Encase you weren’t aware rape has almost nothing to do with sex and almost everything to do with power and control. Anyone who studies rapists for a living or has met one will tell you the same thing. Give them a sex toy and it’ll just become a weapon they use to rape more people.
Masturbate to your hearts content. I never said anything about masturbation. My statement was based solely on the idea of sick fvcks getting turned on by OBJECTS, things that are dead, things that have NO REASON for anyone to get turned on in the first place… unless you just happen to be a sick fvck.
**I CARE**, cause to me if you can have sex with an inflatable doll or something that looks like a blow dryer you can ALSO have sex with other things that don’t activate sexual arousal, such as CHILDREN. How is it any different for someone to project a sexual urge onto a tree then it is to project a sexual urge onto a child? Explain that please.
They are BOTH 2 things that have NOTHING to do with sex, BOTH 2 things that logically should not create lust or desire.
HOWEVER, people still do experience that desire. And if you are fvcked up enough in the head to fvck a doll or tree or any object that exists, to me you are fvcked up enough to molest a child or animal. If you can’t understand that simple logic its not my job to explain it to you. That shit should be common sense for anyone with half a brain.
It DOES replace sexual desire. That’s the whole point. The question is WTF is going through someones head where they can get turned on by a MACHINE?
M-A-C-H-I-N-E.
Its not logical, it’s the most fvcked up thing you can sit here and try to justify. If you don’t get laid that’s no excuse to hump your tv or a book or your keyboard. If that’s what you do with your life (not saying you specifically) then you are a FREAK plain and simple.
I do not feel comfortable being around you and I would NEVER leave you alone with my children. You actually believe its ok to fvck something that has 0 association with sex. Men have an association with sex, they have a penis, so if 2 men wanna fvck each other in that regard to me it DOES make sense.
There is a large human element at play.
There is no element of logic to explain why the hell some random nutjob would get off sticking their cock in a vacuum or w/e fancy technological creations freaks have invented and made people like you believe are ok to fvck (blow up dolls and what not). Sit here all day trying to justify it I don’t give a fvck. Its EXTREMELY weird, borderline scary, and I think people who do that crap need to see a shrink asap before they start projecting that same urge onto things that CAN feel and CAN be hurt.
That’s what scares me, and what scares me even more is that it doesn’t scare you.
TANK,
While I share your accepting sentiment, the "Purely genetic" theory of sexual orientation has essentially been falsified. Very few - if any - researchers believe it. Bailey and Pillard (1991) in a study of gay twins found that 52% of identical twins were concordant for homosexuality. A review of Eight other studies by Hershberger, et al (2001) found that Six of the Eight studies showed a strong correlation between the sexual orientations of Identical twins.ive NEVER felt that being gay was wrong. its natural, instinctual attraction, and it as nothing to do with society, influence, or experience.
The other key finding by Bailey and Pillard was that 22% of fraternal twins, whose genetic relationship is the same as normal siblings, were also concordant for homosexuality. These statistics, taken together, demonstrate that genetics has a very strong affect on sexual orientation. However, it is also demonstrated that this affect is NOT paramount. Environmental factors must therefore exert an influence, perhaps equal to or greater than genetic factors.
While I sense this argument was made at least partly in jest, it is of course, utterly Non sequitur
Last edited by TexSavant; 11-19-2009 at 09:40 AM. Reason: A redundant word
I have to agree with you bo, girls who are into toys are pigs. Machines are no substitute for real sex.
I'm not into it.
I did buy a pocket pxssy when I was 15, but that was for the simple reason I was horny and couldn't get laid in my dreams. Threw it deep in the woods cause I was paranoid about my mom finding it after 2 weeks. When I could get laid, I realized how all that stuff is just for very desperate people.
There is no way a blow job machine or pocket vagina adds to sex.
Most girls don't want a jack hammer in their hole regardless of what some people want in their rectum...ruhl
BO, just curious, how do you feel about masturbation? If I get myself off with my own hand, does this mean I might as well go get jerked off by a guy?
I don't use masturbatory aids (that's what I see these gadgets being) and I find them lame, but your point/connection doesn't make sense to me.
If a guy or girl wants to use a masturbatory aid to help get them off, why is that wrong?
I want one of these machines.
www.realdoll.com
LOL
Actually they make better ones now.
Bo....is nuts....
and wtf is that about no toys with your girl? guess what buddy, some women CAN'T get off from normal sex. So it's very pleasurable for them to have a vibrator pressed up against their clit while they're getting ****ed so that they can actually cum.
Never had that problem
although I have tried the vibrator on the clit thing while doing oral or doggie style. It really didn't add to the experience for the girl, not saying there aren't some girls who don't like that.
Large but plugs or excessive sized or powered toys, or the need to always incorperate them into sex...the girl is a pig
learn to use your unit
or better yet
stick to what you know, getting jackhammered in the do doo hole
i fvking luv BO..
regardless if i agree with him or not, his posts have me laughing out loud...all 5000 words of them..
ur my boy BO, but i got to agree with Tank..
i fail to see how masterbation with a device leads to fvking kids/animals/ anything else.
sometimes to much thought is a bad thing BO..
is it weird to fck a vaccum, yes but its not gay...just real fvking weird...
If I added a mustache to the Robo BJ would that make me gay?
I can't believe I just read all of that.
^^^me2
them dolls, man and female are just fvking creepy
The more I read every post of Bo's the more I realize he is living in his own world.
I have no idea how he came up with this crazy idea about the whole sex tree chain of command but it is retarded.
Yes retarded, and no I'm not getting offended I'm just saying how I feel on your views.
You make no sense what so over.
You try and read into things way to far, and you said you would punch your brothers head in, if you ever found out he used a sex aid?
Come on, punch his head in for raping somebody, or killing/drugs, not for trying to get his nuts off.
What kind of brother are you anyhow.
Great, you have an opinion.
And great again.. noone gives a fvck.
Next, if you're not "offended" you wouldn't need to say it. I'm not cold right now cause I'm inside, so I'm DEFINITELY not going to say "I'm not cold right now" cause it would make NO FVCKN SENSE to say.
So please, don't get offended (I might lose sleep over it)
And last, if my brother raped someone I wouldn't punch him in the face. I would beat the living fvck out of him.
If however, I ever came home and saw him on top of a blow up doll (or "sexual aid" as youd like to call it) yes Id knock him one good shot right in the face.
That would make me a GOOD brother imo. I'm forcing him to be normal and be more scared of me then he is to approach and fvck a real woman.
Its called a "favor", and I'd gladly do you one too.![]()
For anyone who wants to complain about it being too long, DON'T FVCKN READ IT.
I was using parents to represent a small segment of social norms. When I said parents I meant more generally “social norms”. And yes, the only reason you think its normal to stick your cock in a vibrating sleeve is BECAUSE of SOCIAL NORMS.
I would love to see you prove right here for everyone that your biology is responsible for it. Biology doesn’t operate under a system of punishment vs reward (behaviorally speaking). You can be tempted to fvck a tree, but unless there is people around you to comment, you will have no idea how to perceive it. (normal or not). So replace parents with society and yes that’s the ONLY reason why you care.
Great, and that explains the entire reason why you think fvckn inanimate objects is ok. Maybe if your dad versed you on how life really was, you wouldn’t have beliefs like that in the first place.
Also I’d like to note that parents teach their children almost something about EVERYTHING (good parents). It can be verbalized directly OR indirectly but I absolutely believe you are 100% FOS here. I’m sure your dad would have been thrilled if you brought a BF home when you were 15… you can’t be for real.
Spare me the bs you hypocritical fvck. What’s truly “PETTY” is that you have the audacity to say some shit to me first, then actually think that doesn’t warrant me treating you however the hell I’d like.
If you held a tone of respect I obviously wouldn’t have mentioned a word about your poor grammar.. use some common sense.
Who cares if it’s the internet? You are having a conversation an educated person (whether you think so or not) and when I have to sit here and decipher every other word you write (like “isint”) it wastes my time and degrades the substance of your entire post. I have the option to not spell right either, but as a common courtesy (because you’re a stranger) I’m not gonna assume you like reading shit like “hyee ma nime is bijogles” and I’m going to speak a form of English that is common ground for most people, *PROPER English.
And seriously you can give that last post to an English professor or a chimp and they both would laugh at it. I can’t imagine how you even think its ok to communicate with strangers like that. If English is your second language that’s understandable. If however it is not, wtf happened? Did you skip second grade? It doesn’t take a lot of effort to sound intelligible you know? I’m not trying to offend you, I’m trying to understand why you do it in the first place.
People who want to be taken seriously spell things right and AT MINIMUM will make an attempt. I’m not even seeing an attempt on your part so forgive me if that rubs off on how I perceive your intelligence.
Ok, because you keep going on about this one stupid detail its obvious now I somehow struck a bone.
First, it takes 0 seconds to proofread if you know how to spell in the first place.
If you don’t know how to spell, it takes about an additional 5 seconds go back and look real quick. If you’re really trying to tell me you can’t take a few seconds out of your life to check your grammar and spelling, but have ENOUGH time to type out all the shit in the first place, then you are clearly out of you mind. You cared enough to make a point, you typed quite a fvckn bit, but then you can’t take 2 seconds to make sure its comprehendible to people besides you? You are a walking, breathing, misspelling contradiction of man.
“homes” lmao. Ok thuglife sure thing.
Again, you are full of shit. I never said, ready?… NEVER SAID “having sex with a battery operated machine is **LIKE** having sex with a man”.
WHAT I SAID WAS
It is less natural to have sex with an object, then for a man to have sex with a man.
One has a strong human element, another is an object.
I never said A is like B. I said A makes more sense then B, so if you have a problem with A, you should ABSOLUTELY have a problem with B.
You are trying to tell me that you dont have an issue with B, I’m telling you that is IMPOSSIBLE. Not due to anyone’s interpretation but because of the logistics of everything you’ve already said.
You say “I curse cause I’m a grown man”
I hate to break it to yah, but cursing doesn’t make you a grown man, idiots curse and smart people curse. Some people just know how to not look trashy when they do it.
And that’s something I’d expect an 18 year old to say if I called them out on why they were cursing so much, “hey I can curse, I’m an adult!”.
Well no, you curse that much cause you don’t care that people may perceive you as trashy.
And in the order of how you said it AFTER calling me crazy, its obvious you WERE emotional. And yet again, you are completely full of shyt.
Yeh cause having sex with toys is a “natural desire” right?
What. The. Fvck.
Having sex with a PERSON is a natural desire. What could possibly be so difficult for you to understand?
Having “sex with a guy against your preferred orientation” is ALSO something called **RAPE**
Who the hell is going to enjoy getting raped? You just made one of the most redundant statements a person could possibly make.
The problem is, I’m not talking about rape dipshit. I’m talking about consensual sex between 2 men. I clearly stated it that way the first 50 times I said it, go back and read.
What is wrong with you? Seriously? I’m gonna start skipping random shit cause you’re making less and less sense the more I read. I’m not talking about straight men having sex with each other. (because straight men don’t have sex with each other in the first place)
I’m talking about 2 gay men having sex vs a straight man having sex with an object.
And what I said is its more NORMAL for gay men to have sex with each other, then for straight men to fvck machines. I’m not saying it again after this. One is dead and one is alive, go fvck a corpse then tell me it helped stimulate your sexual fantasy cause you were pretending the corpse was a hot chick. That is the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard.
blah blah blah blah why are you talking about rape again? Yeh you are right *I* brought up the topic of gay sex, YOU however brought up the topic of rape and nonconsensual sex and YOU keep mixing up what I said and what I didn’t say.
Also, you can call me “Mr. Hard Time” cause I really don’t care. I can commentate on social norms (and spell social norms) because its what I do for a living and its what I’ll be doing for the REST OF MY LIFE. Its called practicing what you preach. It doesn’t make me an expert but it def means when it comes to something as simple/stupid as this topic, I KNOW wtf I’m talking about.
You didn’t, you mentioned rapists in prison. I said rapists on the streets because those are people who are still actively raping people. Rape seldom happens in prison as much as you think. Its actually extremely rare, which is why I changed the setting to a place its more likely to actually occur. And it does not matter the slightest whether it’s a serial rapist or a “desperate scenario”. Do some research, 90% of rapists rape for control, its all the same reason. The reason they do it is what was relevant in that argument, NOT how many times they do it.
I do discern a distinction, a pretty large one at that.
I was indicating the potential for a progression as it relates to behavior.
The way serial killers start by killing small animals.
Pedophiles start by sniffing underwear and having sex with little blow up dolls that they dress like children.
All I was saying was if you put 2 people in front of me – 1 guy who has a gf and regularly gets laid, & a 2nd guy who has wild sex every night with a blow up doll, there is a higher chance that the second guy would turn pedo then the first guy.
How much higher is the chance? Prob small but its still big enough for me to not feel comfortable leaving my children around a freak like that.
Is he gonna turn pedo? Prob not, but I’m certainly not trying to find out.
No shit pea brain. Noone ever said the shape or size of the toy is whats attracting someone to it.
A “fantasy” or PROJECTION of human libido IS. THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
And if you are capable of fantasizing to that extent (where you can get off thinking a toy is a woman) you can fantasize to the extent of thinking an animal is a woman, or a child. Its THAT FANTASY that shows how OUT OF TOUCH with reality freaks like you are.
You have the unnatural ability to make ANYTHING a trigger for your lust. That means to me that you’re drive for sex is so out of control that theres no telling what your dick will be in next. So please, try again.
Please refrain from talking dirty to me cause I like women.
And yes I’ve watched porn and beat off before. You know why? Cause I’m looking at a PERSON when I do it. It’s the PERSON that’s triggering my arousal.
If I look at a wall and start fantasizing about fvckn a woman that is completely different. I’m seeing something that is NOT THERE. Granted people DO do it.
It’s the extent to which they do it that becomes alarming.
I would EXPECT a man to get turned on by the visual stimuli of a naked woman.
I would NOT EXPECT a man to get turned on by the visual stimuli of a plastic tube. To me that means he fantasizes to an extent that has brought him too far out of touch with reality. Hes exhibiting little to no control over his sexual drive, and he is a freak. I don’t wanna be around that man, and I don’t wanna listen to another one of your worthless justifications of why you think its normal.
All that means is you are equally a freak in the head like they are.
You need a reason to believe its ok so you can continue on humping things that have no heartbeat. Its obvious that’s the real reason you came into this debate in the first place.
I’ve thought about it enough.
You’re having a problem understanding cause for some reason when I say the word “chance” you hear “absolute chance”, when I say something is “more likely to be a certain way” you read “something is a certain way”.
However, the logic will always continue to support my position.
A man will have sex with a man because he is gay and because he has a desire for human intimacy. It is more natural to satisfy that desire with another human male then a random object of your projected lust. The potential to engage in extreme anti social sexual behavior is more likely to come from someone who fvcks a dead object for a living rather then a man whos preference is simply other men.
If you wanna take this any further don’t bother responding cause at this point I genuinely believe you can’t read.
Theres a simple way to solve this and that’s me posting an anonymous survey on another board I’m a member at to prove that you have no clue wtf you are talking about. The question will be:
What is less normal-natural?
A) A gay man that has sex with another gay man OR
B) A man that has sex with inanimate objects
I’ve been saying B since I came into this and if more people vote for A then I’d clearly be an idiot. I don’t give a shit either way but one of us needs to shut up and its def not going to be me.
And if I did do that there would be 4 dummy questions I’d put as controls. Its not going on this board cause of all the confounds it would introduce. If you want me to do it tell me and I’ll link you. If not, this ends now before you give me a fvckn aneurism.
Bro.... most people do not get turned on by the sight of a sex toy or sex aid. They use it with their partner or in addition to watching porn... the toy is just a physical stimuli, not the source of arousal....
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