Need Honest Knowledgable Advice...

[Dancer]

btw I feel you on thhe bike wreck I dropped a R1 on 07/24/2005 @ 110mph even with full gear I got some rash and ate up.

[The Deuce]

Break this down for me.

Right now you are 300mg TC or TE EW now right?

any anti-estrogens?

Any ala

Dhea

anything else

300mgs EW... (reducing it to 200mgs EW of Cyp starting today)

I also am on 25mgs of Proviron a day.. and am only running that for the next 3 weeks...

I have A-dex Just in case... I have a lot of things Just in case.. Caber, for when I use 19-nor. I have Enough Gear to do another 5 cycles. (I stocked up) I have every Anti-E out there..

As for daily supplements I take: A Multi Vitamin (of course), CoQ10(200mgs Daily), Liv-52 (2 tabs daily- to help regenerate Liver Cellular Function and Cells themselves) , Caffeine tabs (400mgs ED - 200 upon waking and 200 prior to WO), I take 81mgs of Aspirin prior to WO also w/ the caffeine tabs.. Kinda like the ECA stack but without the Ephedrine.. (I hate Ephedrine and how it makes me feel), I take Fish Oil Caps... on occasion.. (O mega 3), and Taurine 2000mgs ED.. ACTUALLY THOUGHT OF ADDING CLA but still up in the air about it.

I have worked out a SUPREME DIET thanks to my main man EAT !! He is KING when it comes to Diet, I am just now eliminating DAIRY from my daily diet and following a strict kind of diet.

So that being said.. I am finally going to revert back to Normal for awhile... so I dont harm myself.. SO i dont end up doing long term damage... I just want this BACK !! I am almost there... another 6 months and I should be just about there !!

man why do you get so mad when someone contridicts you or has a diffrent opinion? I never said anything negative about your goals all i said was take advise in stride, otherwise whats the point of asking for it.

I don't know why I get so Mad brotha I don't ... probably because I am depressed.. probably because I feel like I am being attacked and being backed into a corner... I understand people have different opinions.. that is what makes us all unique but to have someone call me a steroid abuser HURTS me .. It does.. I am going through a lot.. but to be told I CAN NOT do something only makes me want it that much MORE !! I know you never personally said anything about my Goals or my aspirations.. I guess I am just irritated on the whole.. no offense man..

btw I feel you on thhe bike wreck I dropped a R1 on 07/24/2005 @ 110mph even with full gear I got some rash and ate up.

Sorry to hear that man but you wanna know something messed up !?!? My accident was on 7/27/2006 !! I was only doing 40 but was t-boned so to speak by a chevy silverado 2500HD... I didnt even see it coming.. didnt know it happened until I woke up approx 6 weeks later... scary shizzit man !! I could have died and not even known.. it was just BANG and over that quick... to top it off the dude was MESSED UP ON BENZODIAZEPINES (Klonopin) and he just fled the scene... someone who saw called the cops and followed the dude and led the cops directly to the fvckin loser... who is now doing an 8 year bid for his retarded shenanigan

[Dancer]

300mgs EW... (reducing it to 200mgs EW of Cyp starting today)

I also am on 25mgs of Proviron a day.. and am only running that for the next 3 weeks...

I have A-dex Just in case... I have a lot of things Just in case.. Caber, for when I use 19-nor. I have Enough Gear to do another 5 cycles. (I stocked up) I have every Anti-E out there..

As for daily supplements I take: A Multi Vitamin (of course), CoQ10(200mgs Daily), Liv-52 (2 tabs daily- to help regenerate Liver Cellular Function and Cells themselves) , Caffeine tabs (400mgs ED - 200 upon waking and 200 prior to WO), I take 81mgs of Aspirin prior to WO also w/ the caffeine tabs.. Kinda like the ECA stack but without the Ephedrine.. (I hate Ephedrine and how it makes me feel), I take Fish Oil Caps... on occasion.. (O mega 3), and Taurine 2000mgs ED.. ACTUALLY THOUGHT OF ADDING CLA but still up in the air about it.

I have worked out a SUPREME DIET thanks to my main man EAT !! He is KING when it comes to Diet, I am just now eliminating DAIRY from my daily diet and following a strict kind of diet.

So that being said.. I am finally going to revert back to Normal for awhile... so I dont harm myself.. SO i dont end up doing long term damage... I just want this BACK !! I am almost there... another 6 months and I should be just about there !!



I don't know why I get so Mad brotha I don't ... probably because I am depressed.. probably because I feel like I am being attacked and being backed into a corner... I understand people have different opinions.. that is what makes us all unique but to have someone call me a steroid abuser HURTS me .. It does.. I am going through a lot.. but to be told I CAN NOT do something only makes me want it that much MORE !! I know you never personally said anything about my Goals or my aspirations.. I guess I am just irritated on the whole.. no offense man..



Sorry to hear that man but you wanna know something messed up !?!? My accident was on 7/27/2006 !! I was only doing 40 but was t-boned so to speak by a chevy silverado 2500HD... I didnt even see it coming.. didnt know it happened until I woke up approx 6 weeks later... scary shizzit man !! I could have died and not even known.. it was just BANG and over that quick... to top it off the dude was MESSED UP ON BENZODIAZEPINES (Klonopin) and he just fled the scene... someone who saw called the cops and followed the dude and led the cops directly to the fvckin loser... who is now doing an 8 year bid for his retarded shenanigan

Looks like a gixxer well was anyways...

Let me post this here I was talking to some else about it also:

That's what I was thinking about this morning during another insomniatic episodes.

HRT or TRT

Say you take 300mg test cyp EW thats 210mg of test and 90mg of cyp ester. Say 200 just for ease. There is your TRT. Or 200mg test cyp EW breaks down to 140mg test and 60mgs of cyp ester...

You go the other away. Say:

1000IU HCG ED
10MG AM dbol
1MG Adex
2-4 IU of GH (I can hear Ulter now thats to low and I agree but just doing a little math)

For the math lets say your body produces exactly 50MG of Test all full natty potential.

For the week we have this:
70MG Dbol
50MG natty Test

so increase the natty test (I know hcg does 200% by itself and another 56% from the dex but lets just assume 100% increase overall, lets not even think about the hGH)

Total androgens is
70mg Dbol
100mg test natty

I think it all works out the same.

But the benifit of HRT with hcg/adex/hGH/dbol will be much better if myostatin levels drop.



BTW... hcg no longer than 6 weeks to avoinf FSH and LH desensitization

[The Deuce]

This was ME !! WHEN I WAS GEARING UP TO BE A PRO BODYBUILDER BACK 3 YEARS AGO !!



This is my MOTORCYCLE AFTER THE CRASH ...




SO ALPMASTER YOU THINK I DONT HAVE WHAT IT TAKES?? WHAT YOU SEE THERE WAS DEDICATION !!!! Rightfully so after the accident and I went into depression... to lose a body like that that I had worked soooo hard for for many many years... to have it all smashed by some retard that ran into me...

I am working and WORKING HARD TO GET BACK TO THAT FIGURE... I MISS IT.. FAT is relatively new to me... And I put forth every day all I can to be able to be back to that and then go BIGGER and BIGGER until I am Branch WARREN's SIZE !!

[Dancer]

Break this down for me.

Right now you are 300mg TC or TE EW now right?

any anti-estrogens?

Any ala

Dhea

anything else

All the Test P is out of your blood... only did that 25 mg of winny...

[Dancer]

You can google HCG and read about the increase. I like this one:

"As a result, his free testosterone doubled from 86 to 157."

http://www.physioage.com/faq/SuccessStories.php


As for Adex studies they are out there also:

http://www.************.com/forum/an...ne-134791.html

Study Shows That Arimidex Boosts Testosterone



Estrogen suppression in males: metabolic effects.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2000 Jul;85(7):2370-7 (ISSN: 0021-972X)
Mauras N; O'Brien KO; Klein KO; Hayes V [email protected].

We have shown that testosterone (T) deficiency per se is associated with
marked catabolic effects on protein, calcium metabolism, and body
composition in men independent of changes in gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - or insulin-like growth
factor I production. It is not clear,,however, whether estrogens have a
major role in whole body anabolism in males. We investigated the metabolic
effects of selective estrogen suppression in the male using a potent
aromatase inhibitor, Arimidex (Anastrozole). First, a dose-response study of
12 males (mean age, 16.1 +/- 0.3 yr) was conducted, and blood withdrawn at
baseline and after 10 days of oral Arimidex given as two different doses
(either 0.5 or 1 mg) in random order with a 14-day washout in between. A
sensitive estradiol (E2) assay showed an approximately 50% decrease in E2
concentrations with either of the two doses; hence, a 1-mg dose was selected
for other studies. Subsequently, eight males (aged 15-22 yr; four adults and
four late pubertal) had isotopic infusions of [(13)C]leucine and
(42)Ca/(44)Ca, indirect calorimetry, dual energy x-ray absorptiometry,
isokinetic dynamometry, and growth factors measurements performed
before and after 10 weeks of daily doses of Arimidex. Contrary to the effects of T
withdrawal, there were no significant changes in body composition (body mass
index, fat mass, and fat-free mass) after estrogen suppression or in rates
of protein synthesis or degradation; carbohydrate, lipid, or protein
oxidation; muscle strength; calcium kinetics; or bone growth factors
concentrations. However, E2 concentrations decreased 48% (P = 0.006), with
no significant change in mean and peak gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - concentrations, but with an 18%
decrease in plasma insulin-like growth factor I concentrations. There was a
58% increase in serum T (P = 0.0001), sex hormone-binding globulin did not
change, whereas lh - leutenizing hormone - and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - concentrations increased (P < 0.02, both). Serum
bone markers, osteocalcin and bone alkaline phosphatase concentrations, and
rates of bone calcium deposition and resorption did not change. In
conclusion, these data suggest that in the male 1) estrogens do not
contribute significantly to the changes in body composition and protein
synthesis observed with changing androgen levels; 2) estrogen is a main
regulator of the gonadal-pituitary feedback for the gonadotropin axis; and
3) this level of aromatase inhibition does not negatively impact either
kinetically measured rates of bone calcium turnover or indirect markers of
bone calcium turnover, at least in the short term. Further studies will
provide valuable information on whether timed aromatase inhibition can be
useful in increasing the height potential of pubertal boys with profound
growth retardation without the confounding negative effects of gonadal
androgen suppression.

hGH:

I would go pull the studies but there is no point it public knowledge...

nolv.... public knowledge it is needed for hcg estro sides...

I didnt include IGF-1 or slin to the HRT mix but the advanced user can do that.

[seriousmass]

no offense but why ask for advice if you cant handle any answers that contridict what you want to do?

I kinda told you that the way you type makes you look immature, hence everyone calling you a kid, but all you did was blow up at me... like a little kid.

Are you saying you want to be an IFBB Pro or something? At 27, if you're not there or on your way, it's not in your cards. I would just stick to the recreational body builder and basic cycle AAS user. Just take the time off that you need to (you're on 300mg of Test, stop worrying about catabolism or not having enough anabolism). Focus on other things, and after the time is right blast with a good basic cycle. The hell is 28 days of Winny (at 19% BF none the less) do for you? Help you're mind calm down by telling your self you're "on something". If that's the case (and it sounds like it is), I'd get a little help with that. Do your TRT dose, for another 8 weeks or whatever you want and then blast again, you're not going to wake up tomorrow weighing 90lbs.

I'm glad people are finally beginning to see this utter INSANITY from my perspective. Deuce, you know you can PM to discuss this, but I figure I might as well do this in public, because it's the only way to really send home the message.

Right now you're at 19% BF. You do not need winstrol, clen, tren, etc... i.e. compounds used for cutting. IMO, you need to stay on your TRT dosage, which is 200mg... not 300.. and DIET. Are you going to lose mass doing this? YES. but that's what bulking and cutting is FOR. Once you bring yourself down to 15% naturally, you do a nice clean bulker, and put on some great lean muscle mass, (while only raising your BF 1% or so), and then do a couple of cutting cycles after. The problem is what I have proposed here is a long-term solution to your problem, and right now you're expecting to be back in the game in "6 months". and will without a doubt take 2 - 3 years to accomplish. Can you handle that?

"It's not that I have trouble putting the needle down.. ok maybe that is it.. but so what RIGHT now.. I am trying to make sure everything is running smoothly... I can't have anything that will interupt my training.. "

-- This is some scary stuff to say brutha. And interrupting your training? seriously? you have a wife and kid, a LOT of sh*t will be interrupting your training in the next couple of years

"he fact I am dealing with a reduction of TESTOSTERONE intake.. by (575mgs per week)... I was on 875mgs EW of Prop... [125mgs ED]... DOWN TO 300mgs EW of CYPionate... ugh I hate reverting to TRT... it sucks.. but needs to be done.."

-- Another example of abusive language. Your prescription is gold my friend, and you're complaining about having to go on a temporary cruising dosage? Most people here would LOVE, to be on 200mg Cyp between blasting cycles, I absolutely hate doing a PCT and getting terrible sides. I would NOT be complaining about getting 200mg a week of test, which is MUCH more then anyone produces naturally in that time frame.

[LexusIS09]

I've actually got some great advice for you Mr. Deuce,

Why don't you stop spending money on all this crazy gear, and just buy some freaking HGH... and then cruise on your TRT dosage + HGH for the rest of the year. You could even start low at like 2 - 3iu per day, and cut for the first 6 months, and then do a nice bulker 6 months later, upping the dosage to 4 - 5iu per day.

It would be SOOOO much simpler then all these crazy ideas / cycles you constantly propose. And you always talk about how you just won the freaking lottery or whatever, so the cost of GH shouldn't be that much of a problem..

IMO you should just go 3iu ED + 200mg - 300mg Test-cyp EW for the first 6 months.. and then in the last 6 months.. go 5iu + 800mg of test + 1 more compound, and do a bulker.

Winstrol will do barely anything to your body at 19% bodyfat... any loss in size will be basically water, and once you're off winny you'll regain that weight, just my 0.02

[alpmaster]

Meh, I don't understand all this caps lock heroism you're blabbering about, and talking about "getting back into the game". Shit, I'd be happy as hell if I were you to be on a cruise dosage, but I gotta do a PCT and have less testosterone than my 62 year old mom for a while haha. Anyway, great build, and good luck getting back to it. If you want to kid yourself that it's going to happen anytime soon, hell, more motivation to you.

[seriousmass]

Meh, I don't understand all this caps lock heroism you're blabbering about, and talking about "getting back into the game". Shit, I'd be happy as hell if I were you to be on a cruise dosage, but I gotta do a PCT and have less testosterone than my 62 year old mom for a while haha. Anyway, great build, and good luck getting back to it. If you want to kid yourself that it's going to happen anytime soon, hell, more motivation to you.

Finally, Finally, Finally... Someone on this board who is actually realistic.

Thank god for someone with common-sense.

(P.S. that caps-lock bullsh*t bugs the sh*t out of me too; you should have seen how many times I used to call Deuce out on that when he first joined this forum... you just gotta get past it lol)

.... Deuce, were not trying to slam you hard, we are trying to shift your mindset to a more realistic way of thinking. You need to put in a LOT more work my friend... and IMO it should be all done naturally (TRT-naturally)... or with the aid of HGH, as lexus previously mentioned..

[The Deuce]

I've actually got some great advice for you Mr. Deuce,

Why don't you stop spending money on all this crazy gear, and just buy some freaking HGH... and then cruise on your TRT dosage + HGH for the rest of the year. You could even start low at like 2 - 3iu per day, and cut for the first 6 months, and then do a nice bulker 6 months later, upping the dosage to 4 - 5iu per day.

It would be SOOOO much simpler then all these crazy ideas / cycles you constantly propose. And you always talk about how you just won the freaking lottery or whatever, so the cost of GH shouldn't be that much of a problem..

IMO you should just go 3iu ED + 200mg - 300mg Test-cyp EW for the first 6 months.. and then in the last 6 months.. go 5iu + 800mg of test + 1 more compound, and do a bulker.

Winstrol will do barely anything to your body at 19% bodyfat... any loss in size will be basically water, and once you're off winny you'll regain that weight, just my 0.02

Thats a good idea... see I knew with enough thinking .someone would finally give something solid to go with... and man i dont like to brag that i won the lottery... it was a fluke... i think it was gods way of saying im sorry for slamming you with that pickup truck... GH wont tap my pockets... should i buy a whole years worth up front ? or like 3 months at a time...?? Ill admit i know nothing about GH... except it should be injected subq and that most peeps do a 5on 2off schedule and i dont even know how accurate that info is...

I know i get a lil crazy when it comes to cycling its just that if you look at my before pic and my current pic its just depressing to see how bad i went down the tubes ... i know its not going to happen overnight... to get to where i was before took me 5 years of serious training and a lot of FOOD!! Literally probably tons !!

Maybe ill start studying up on this whole GH idea... and maintain my 200mgs EW and follow my cutting diet and cardio regimen religiously !! Ill make an appt. tomorrow with my doc to have my body screened for cancer so i have a broader idea if I have any cancer lurking that the GH will amplify and bring upon my demise...

Meh, I don't understand all this caps lock heroism you're blabbering about, and talking about "getting back into the game". Shit, I'd be happy as hell if I were you to be on a cruise dosage, but I gotta do a PCT and have less testosterone than my 62 year old mom for a while haha. Anyway, great build, and good luck getting back to it. If you want to kid yourself that it's going to happen anytime soon, hell, more motivation to you.

Dude its just my unique way of typing.. i just dont understand why it fvcking bothers everyone soooo much !!

I know its going to take a lot of time and effort and and determination to get back to where i was in that pic... i know this... i didnt get there overnight before but for one second look at it through my eyes... i was on top of the world until a freak incident robbed me of it all... of course i am going to try everything humanly possible to look in the mirror again and be able to take that same exact picture again... its my drivi ng force dude...

Finally, Finally, Finally... Someone on this board who is actually realistic.

Thank god for someone with common-sense.

(P.S. that caps-lock bullsh*t bugs the sh*t out of me too; you should have seen how many times I used to call Deuce out on that when he first joined this forum... you just gotta get past it lol)

.... Deuce, were not trying to slam you hard, we are trying to shift your mindset to a more realistic way of thinking. You need to put in a LOT more work my friend... and IMO it should be all done naturally (TRT-naturally)... or with the aid of HGH, as lexus previously mentioned..

I understand the caps lock sh*t bugs a lot of people and i dont do it to irritate... its just like my M.O. .... but lol.. how in the world did u give me hell about it when i first joined the forum... I have been here longer than you !! lol

I know u arent intentionally trying to slam me man.. and this whole thread has kinda kicked me back to reality... I have decided to go back to my prescribed dosage.. i have decided that i will not use the aid of any other compound until I am satisfied I have done what I need to do. I am going to look into this whole HGH idea... do some research... a lot of it... starting with a cancer screen tomorrow to make sure i can actually use GH... and not kill myself by just jumping on it... if i decide that i should ill probably follow the protocol Lexus laid out... and he mentioned that i should only use one other compound when i increase the strength of the TEST level and GH... Ill use something mild... just so i am safe... PRIMO would be my choice of compound... its safe and the gains are pretty much retainable and arent bloaty like u would see from DECA or something of that nature...i guess i just get upset knowing what i used to be and know of all these compounds and I just want my MONSTER-NESS back... thats all... Im not getting any younger ya know... I got some thinking to do plus I need to get to thegym... LEGS DAY !!! Thanks for the snap back into reality guys...

[seriousmass]

Good man. That's what I like to hear. Regarding the HGH... It really depends. I'd buy 3 - 6 months worth at a time. Is your supplier really reliable? (a lot of people like to stick to the same brand of GH for the entire year... but other's like to switch it up.. your call).

But yah, I really like being on Cyp... even staying @ 300mg EW... and doing HGH will produce great results. The thing is the GH isn't going to start showing any effects for a while, so you'll have to be patient. (btw, i'd do 6 on, 1 off). However, after 2 months of being on the GH i'd start doing some blasting cycles (great synergy between test / gh) and ramp up your test dosage to 600 - 800mg EW. And yes you could always throw another compound into the blasting cycles as you mentioned: IE tren/deca/primo,etc.

I honestly believe if you're patient and take this route you will drop a dramatic amount of body fat, and maintain more muscle. If you followed that outline I think you could get down to >13% percent BF by the end of the year.

[The Deuce]

Good man. That's what I like to hear. Regarding the HGH... It really depends. I'd buy 3 - 6 months worth at a time. Is your supplier really reliable? (a lot of people like to stick to the same brand of GH for the entire year... but other's like to switch it up.. your call).

But yah, I really like being on Cyp... even staying @ 300mg EW... and doing HGH will produce great results. The thing is the GH isn't going to start showing any effects for a while, so you'll have to be patient. (btw, i'd do 6 on, 1 off). However, after 2 months of being on the GH i'd start doing some blasting cycles (great synergy between test / gh) and ramp up your test dosage to 600 - 800mg EW. And yes you could always throw another compound into the blasting cycles as you mentioned: IE tren/deca/primo,etc.

I honestly believe if you're patient and take this route you will drop a dramatic amount of body fat, and maintain more muscle. If you followed that outline I think you could get down to >13% percent BF by the end of the year.

Yah I have a very very reliable supplier.. I can get my hands on the good stuff.. I think since it's Human Grade we can talk about who makes it right?? Well regardless it's Syntrom.. If I am not allowed to say this name... tell me quickly and I will edit it right out of this post quicker than sh*t !! I'll probably run this stuff year round.. no need to switch it up if I don't need to.

Dude all the hell you and I have been through I never would have envisioned us seeing eye to eye but you opened my mind up to the point where I needed to hear this stuff, I needed someone like you to snap my into reality and let me know what the real scope of everything was.

So let's go with this... I am reducing my Test Cyp level to 200mgs EW. I will continue this for a minimum of 8 weeks.. at which point.. I will implement the HGH. I'll start out slow 2iu's per day for 6 days with a 1 day break period so a total of 12iu's in a week time frame. After 8 weeks of it at 2 iu's I will ramp it up to either 3-4 iu's with the same 6 on 1 off. So that's in 16 weeks from right now is when I will be using about 4iu's per day. I have just read a little bit about the whole HGH concept and such.. I don't see myself exceeding 4-5 iu's per day for at least a year (dependent).

Now in 16 weeks. When I hit the 4iu's per day mark is when I will do my next cycle. Blasting up to 800mgs EW of the CYPIONATE ... No sense in changing Testosterone's at this point as far as I am concerned right?? Test is Test.. Where as I like Propinate a lot .. I can handle not using Propinate for the next year or so.. and I will run concurrent Primo at this point also at 800mgs EW. So am I getting this a little bit better now?? More of a safer grasp without going above and beyond the broad spectrum of AAS. So In 16 weeks, It will look like this 800mgs of Cyp per week, 800mgs of Primo per week, 4iu's of HGH per day (6 on-1 off). Now let's go into time frames if you don't mind SERIOUSMASS.

How long should I run this BLAST cycle for?? 10? 12? 14? 16 weeks? Before reducing back down to the 200mgs EW of CYP... and 4iu's of HGH.

If this is what it will take to get myself down to the >13% BF ... then that's what it will take. That will almost put me at what I was in my before Pic up above.. I think I was ohhhh 10%ish... but I accomplished that without HGH before ... a lot of TREN.. and a lot of PROP... Hahaha !!


Ok Last Question for you .. and this is THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE !! ... Should I go have a Blood Test done to check for any cancerous cells in my body before I start the HGH?? Or should I just assume I am all set?? I do not think I have any cancer in my body.. its possible I guess, why risk it but.. I really dont think I should go get a unwarrented blood test and I wouldnt even know how to go about wording it to my doctor. LOL.. Part of me doesn't want to do it because if it comes back that I do have cancer I would rather not know but if I do by some SLIM margin have cancer I wouldn't want to SPEED the process up by any means.. especially sacrificing to get bigger. Ya know what I mean.. WHAT IS YOUR HONEST OPINION on this??


And thanks for all the Help SeriousMass I really do appreciate it.. despite our muddled history.. lol

[seriousmass]

I like the plan for the GH. Good idea to start slow, some people have brutal sides with HGH, so it's smart to start low, and then increase the dosage once you know you're ready.

Regarding the blasting timing: well that really depends. If you're using a long ester like Cyp I'd say do about a 12 week cycle. My Reasoning: the cyp will already be built up in your blood. So once you ramp up the dosage to 800mg EW, it will not take long for your blood concentrations to peak @ 800mg. Also, by doing 3 month blasting cycles it gives you the opportunity to do 2 per year... and then return to TRT dosage for the 3 respective months between cycles.

Regarding the cancer testing... I dunno man. Honestly, I think you're fine for now. But it's something to think about getting checked in the next couple of years.. Other then that everything is all good. Good luck; have fun.

[The Deuce]

Thanks Man... Much appreciated... HA !! Who would have ever thought THE DEUCE and SERIOUSMASS would one day be getting along??

I am glad we were able to move past the childish squabble and use our Adult based brain mentality to work our differences out so we can see past it all to make it a better place and environment suitable to a learning curve and such...

Thanks for the info !! And for showing me the way ...


P.S. - Regarding the CANCER thing... I have heard that if you have any CANCER cells in your body (active) whatsoever that HGH will not only speed the process up ASTRONOMICALLY but also to the point of no return ... meaning.. if there is hidden cancer that you arent aware of because you are not showing any signs or symptoms of having it that you use HGH and BANG ... too late... times up... process started... and irreversible regardless of the advances in medical science and chemotherapy.

IS THERE TRUTH TO THIS OR IS THIS JUST A BUNCH OF HOGWASH THAT PEOPLE SAY TO SCARE PEOPLE AWAY FROM USING HGH ????

[Zookl]

Thanks Man... Much appreciated... HA !! Who would have ever thought THE DEUCE and SERIOUSMASS would one day be getting along??

I am glad we were able to move past the childish squabble and use our Adult based brain mentality to work our differences out so we can see past it all to make it a better place and environment suitable to a learning curve and such...

Thanks for the info !! And for showing me the way ...


P.S. - Regarding the CANCER thing... I have heard that if you have any CANCER cells in your body (active) whatsoever that HGH will not only speed the process up ASTRONOMICALLY but also to the point of no return ... meaning.. if there is hidden cancer that you arent aware of because you are not showing any signs or symptoms of having it that you use HGH and BANG ... too late... times up... process started... and irreversible regardless of the advances in medical science and chemotherapy.

IS THERE TRUTH TO THIS OR IS THIS JUST A BUNCH OF HOGWASH THAT PEOPLE SAY TO SCARE PEOPLE AWAY FROM USING HGH ????

I heard something very similar.

[The Deuce]

Searching for Answers now... still nothing... HELP would be great !!