I know where people are getting the D-bol only cycles are Ok from!!

[beachboygemini]

boldenone and anavar, is that better for your liver? Ha, just because it has been injected doesnt mean that it is not negatively affecting your liver. Tbol and anavar are very mild and are not quite as harsh on your liver and my stack was only 80 mgs a day combined. So would it be alot better if I did tbol for 4 wks followed by anavar for 4 wks? Now instead of just saying that this is hard on your liver, tell me why this would be a bad idea. Ah ha hah, I am a dumb newbie! I must be straight tarded! Okay, I dissed myself in order to make it easier for you guys. Orals are not the end.

[ninesecz]

to much oral for the liver! IMO..... Here is my $0.02 if you do not want to start out with injectables you should not be worrying about steroids at all!

[Meshy]

to much oral for the liver! IMO..... Here is my $0.02 if you do not want to start out with injectables you should not be worrying about steroids at all!

True say... i am leaning towards injectables now after reading up on this site now. Considering starting on the beginner cycle recommended by Phate http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

Still the thought of injecting something before i've found a reliable source, that i've tested is a big leap to take

[Undercover]

to much oral for the liver! IMO..... Here is my $0.02 if you do not want to start out with injectables you should not be worrying about steroids at all!

exactly.

[TITANIUM]

Just spent the last few hours reading the newest edition of LLewellyns Anabolics 9th Edition (2009 copy)

There are a few pages of these in there

Basucally they are written out as beginner cycles. there is this one, then there is a stage 2 D-bol only cycle.
He also has a couple Anadrol Only Cycles listed in there too

Starting to understand a little better why these people keep coming to the forum wanting to run D-bol only and then get frustrated when we tell them not to!
The $50 Anabolics Bible is turning around and telling them it is a suitable 1st mass cycle and there is no issues at all wioth a beginner running this type of cycle

So Please let us all stop flaming NOOBS for proposing cycles like this!! Some of them are obviously trying to do research and are getting frustated because they are getting 2 completely different answers from 2 different sources!

Sample Steroid Cycles:
The following cycles are presented as examples of common steroid administration protocols. These programs have not been evaluated in a clinical setting for safety and efficacy, and are provided for informational purposes only. These are not recommendations for anabolic/androgenic steroid use. As with any supplemental drug program, it is important to examine your own individual health status, health risks, and performance goals before deciding to engage in any anabolic/androgenic steroid use. For those who have made the decision, it is important to emphasize again that the recommended approach to AAS use is to limit drug intake to the lowest levels necessary to achieve the next rational goal. More aggressive cycles should not be attempted unless one is sure they cannot achieve the results needed on a more moderate program. Note that given the difficulty in predicting androgenic threshold and dosages for female users, the below cycles are examples of programs for men only.
Single Agent Cycles

Products:
100 tablets 5 mg Methandrostenolone

All Weeks:

Liver Support: Liver Stabil, Liv-52, or Essentiale Forte (label recommended dosage).

Cholesterol Support: Lipid Stabil (3 caps/day) and Fish Oil (4 g/day).

Estrogen Support: tamoxifen (10-20 mg/day).

Comments:
This is a very common first cycle for building muscle mass, and utilizes a single standard bottle of methandrostenolone. This cycle is likely to produce very noticeable muscle growth in a first-time steroid user, often in excess of 8-10lbs of weight gain.This is usually not accompanied by significant visible side effects such as gynecomastia and water retention. Although this is considered a beginner's cycle, methandrostenolone is a c-17 alpha alkylated oral steroid, and presents significant cardiovascular and liver toxicity. The repeated use of such drugs should be limited.

Methandrostenolone
Week 1 10 mg/day
Week 2 15 mg/day
Week 3 15 mg/day
Week 4 15 mg/day
Week 5 20 mg/day

Nine, just for the record, I have a copy of it in the bathroom.

I read it, and your right.

I think that the author is assuming that people know about running test with there cycles.

That's why I disregarded that cycle.

His PCT seems a little screwy also.

Not knocking the author, just saying that newbies need everything explained to them.

In detail.

I read everything I can find.

Knowledge is key.

[ninesecz]

Nine, just for the record, I have a copy of it in the bathroom.

I read it, and your right.

I think that the author is assuming that people know about running test with there cycles.

That's why I disregarded that cycle.

His PCT seems a little screwy also.

Not knocking the author, just saying that newbies need everything explained to them.

In detail.

I read everything I can find.

Knowledge is key.

No Way! I would never contradict Mr. Llewellyn have read pretty much top to bottom all 9 editions of his Anabolics and think it is by far the best Steroid Bible out there and i have read some others and IMO I do not thin any of them compare. He has a bunch of great information and insight and 60% of what I have learned about AAS I learned from him (then of course double checiking what I was reading) I am sure there is reasoning behind his Oral only cycles just with the knowledge I have as of right now, And i am not ayin i hae more than he does.. But I just do not agree with running an oral without an injectable test (maybe Anavar cause it is so very very mild compared to say D-ol and Drol) I think that if you need to try and run an oral B4 getting into i njectables than you are just not ready and should completely stay away from the sauce altogether. Injetables are an entire different ball game than orals anyway so i do not see how doing a 6-8 week cycle of moderately dosed dianabol which will give you some strength gains then 80% of it be gone 2 months later can Even come close to being like or getting you prepared for what 12 Weeks of injectable Testosterone is going to do for you and continue to do for you even after it is over. The amount you will keep is different. the sides are different, the PC is different, the entire cycles are a night and day difference.. This is why I do not agree! I Guess to me it is like a driving school getting you prepared for an 800hp twin Turbo12 cylinder Lamborghini by taking you out in a 97hp front wheel drive 4 cyclinder Hyundai The Orals are oing to do nothing to prepare you for the Injectable cycle!

[beachboygemini]

How about boldenone for 8 wks with tbol during the first 4 and anavar during the last 4. I allready have 5 grams of anavar, and some of it is in suspension. I also have 200 10mg tablets of tbol. Help me out now. Help me out Yo. Oh, and if I did this stack would 600 ml a week of bldenone and 40 of var and 50 or 60 of tbol bo cooo?

[Dont wanna be old]

All orals are not bad , andriol ? no one discusses because cost issues and availability .

The problem with steroids is that it is underground . Therefore any information retrieved is valuable . Even if rumor , spoken or written .

Because of availability issues , scams counterfeit compounds and legality , general aspiring users are driven to any means necessary .

The steroid bible in the 90's was written by Bill Phillips I believe , the editor of muscle media 3000 muscle mag .

Since then there has been a lot of improved information and educated discussion of AAS compounds .

Anyway , someone asking for information on a open forum can get mixed responses . All we can do is try expressing are beliefs and experience to guide them in a safe direction

Just be ready to substantiate your recommendations

[beachboygemini]

What if I or soeone else doesnt want to shoot test? F- test, in my opinion I have got plenty of it. Also tbol is said to increase test production. Am I wrong about that? Tbol and anavar are both said to be very low in producing negative side effects. I am getting alittle frustrated in this regard, mostly because of all of the contradictions that have been pushed my way. So far I have read that an injection is a necessity if you want to try steroids. That is pretty Lame! No offense if anyone of you are. I just want to take 2mild orals either back to back or at the same time, while using boldenone! please tell me the best way to do this.

[beachboygemini]

Maybe I can use boldenone and 1 of the orals in my possesion. Or, if possible bold and very low doses of the two orals for a small boost. I am prone to btch tits. I started to get them from the BEAST oral spray, which is legal to buy over the counter I stopped them and it went away on its own. Therefore I want to use a cycle that doesnt have a great risk of that happening again. I am aware of novadex nolvadex clomid liquidex and all that, but still choose not to use the ones with the higher risks in that regard. I am 34, about 235 lbs, 6 foot 6 inch and am guessing about 18-20 % bf. Just lookin for ideas.

[beachboygemini]

On some other forum, at least one member recommended only tbol=turinabol at 30mg=1st week, 40=2nd wk, 50=3rd, 60=4th and either 60 for another week and then back down or just back down, like, 50, 40, 30. I wonder if tbol and boldenone would be a good short stack, like 8 wks. Or even test and tbol, however some sites say tbol is a test derivative.

[aldemoro]

test is one of the most strongest aas out there i think it would be to much for a beginner and novice cycle who has around 160, 170 pound weight there for the the beginner should go with the weaker coumponds with way less androgenic sides. Its like some one coming up first time in the gym and trying to lift 200 pounds weight

[beachboygemini]

Aldemoro, please clarify your posted reply. what 160, 170? Its unclear.

[ranging1]

go to the AR lounge, and look at the first sticky

[beachboygemini]

Hey ranging1, sorry man, I reread your post and answered my own question. Now I am going to the AR lounge to look at da sticky

[ranging1]

np mate, good to see people listen in this forum