just 21

[rocky_349]

thanks ill hit you up after i do a little more research for myself

[RangersLTW]

Basic split
Chest/Bi You choose barbell or dumbell switch these up about four weeks
Incline Bench 2 warm up sets and three working sets of 10/8/8
Flat bench 10/8/8
Incline fly 10/8/8
Overhead dumbell pull 10/10/10
Straight bar curl 2w up followed by 10/8/8
Ez bar 10/8/8
Hammer curl or inline db curl 10/8/8

ONE DAY

[rocky_349]

would about 90sec between reps be good

[RangersLTW]

Legs
Squat
Leg press
Leg extension
Leg Curl

Shoulders/Traps
Shoulder Press
Side Lat Raises
Front Lat Raises
Rear delt
Shrugs

Back/Tri
Reverse grip pulldown or chin ups
Seated cable rows
Barbell Row
Tri Pushdown
Skull crushers
Reverse Grip pulldown

You can add in sets/reps tired of typing
Pretty sure someone will oppose my suggestions lol

[RangersLTW]

Oh and do calfs one day and abs the next
Add cardio for 30 to 45 min
Rest between sets vary by your goals and your body try 45-90 sec to start

Get diet in check and research and you will see results
Play with sets/reps/rest times/diet to see how your body reacts

[lovbyts]

I started using at 45 Unless you count the ONE time at band camp.... when I was 27 but that 2 1/2 in 18g needle scared the shit out of me so I didnt do it anymore. LOL

[rocky_349]

ok ill give that a shot and see what it does for me

[RangersLTW]

You do know to increase weight when your reps go down right?
The reason I say this is because in my opinion you should almost hit failure at last rep not being able to complete another rep without performing cheat/bad for or need of help from spot. You should fill your musle being worked concentrating on the squeeze at top using different tempo meaning like 3-0-1 three sec down no pause one sec up

[rocky_349]

ya that i do know

[RangersLTW]

Good stuff bro.....good luck.....research....get some post in and pm me if you need some more help or start a new thread and get many

[RangersLTW]

Wow not many posting in here either its the same ol same ol or my post are good

[rocky_349]

will do thanks

[Hard.On]

After reading through this thread, I will throw in my age

I was 21 when I did my first cycle.
I did a test blend.
it worked great
havent done a cycle since then
3 years now
Did not lose any gains at the time and have only gone up slightly in weight until now.
I am going to do my second cycle in 2 weeks.



"ever man dies, but not every man really lives."
-William Wallace

[.EA.]

After reading through this thread, I will throw in my age

I was 21 when I did my first cycle.
I did a test blend.
it worked great
havent done a cycle since then
3 years now
Did not lose any gains at the time and have only gone up slightly in weight until now.
I am going to do my second cycle in 2 weeks.



"ever man dies, but not every man really lives."
-William Wallace

Right on with that quote.

You still got the age on me man lolo. I think I'm one of the youngest active posters here that's on gear.

About the topic itself:

You first need to get your diet in check. That I believe is the most important aspect. You can lift half-ass and eat right and still make gains.

Second of course is your training routine. You want to maximize your time in the gym.

Steroids aren't always the answer. A lot of people seem to think of them as a shortcut, and in some cases they may be, most of those stories end bad.

Bodybuilding is a lifestyle. It's a philosophy. So are Steroids. You can't continue to live an "average" lifestyle if you are even nearly considering going on gear.

[osuguy2009]

I hate hypocrites who say don't use steriods just focus on your "diet" when they took the short cut and are on steriods themselves..

[osuguy2009]

I hate hypocrites who say don't use steriods just focus on your "diet" when they took the short cut and are on steriods themselves..

[lovbyts]

I hate hypocrites who say don't use steriods just focus on your "diet" when they took the short cut and are on steriods themselves..

Nice, 3 total post, 2 duplicate and you are calling people Hypocrites that you dont even know? What makes you an authority. Most people posting to not do it either started older or many who started young are saying don't because of what health issues they have had to deal with due to starting to young.

You sound like a troll or your just stupid.

[.EA.]

I hate hypocrites who say don't use steriods just focus on your "diet" when they took the short cut and are on steriods themselves..

With me it was a little different. I decided to take the shortcut after battling through a bunch of bullsh!t, getting to my prime naturally, then wasting away because of a genetical disposition.

I did take a short cut.

But I decided to take up books before battle. I decided to know as much about this subject as humanly possible. I know what I'm doing to my body, and I'm all right with it.

That's the one and only difference among myself and a lot of other guys my age. They THINK they know what they're doing to their body. But doing "BAD" isn't really descriptive, is it?

It's chemical alteration. I'm Bipolar. I was born with a chemical imbalance. I suffered and lived through times that most people read or watch movies about. I don't necessarily mind chemically altering myself. It has made my life better. I have a solid principle to live by. And one of those principles is to live fully, experience as much as possible and learn as if I lived forever.

So hotshot...you called me out a hypocrite? What do you know about Steroids?

We're just trying to help you out so you don't end up on Fox News and ruin the rep of Steroids for the rest of us even more...


Edit: And even those other who "did take a shortcut" still have their diet and training regimen in order. That's something that's a must. So instead of bitching, live and learn.

[Phate]

I hate hypocrites who say don't use steriods just focus on your "diet" when they took the short cut and are on steriods themselves..

like who for example?

[RangersLTW]

I think I am the man one that posted in here I am curious as well

[Reed]

I think what we are trying to mostly teach here is work ethic and learning your body along the way so you know how you respond. Also when gains can be made natural why not do it that way instead of being weak and on steroids THEN having to do PCT and losing them, also if you don't have a diet or training regiment that is solid you can expect it to be a waste

This guy is asking way to many basic questions about training, dieting and etc so how could any one in there right mind say hey just go ahead and start shooting up and hope for the best as some ones body is probably not adapted to heavy training and the sudden increase in strength can lead to problems with one joints, etc

I personally believe that any one should put in quality years (3+) into training and dieting (I did) prior to the use of steroids. This will allow enough time to 1) make enough gains naturally, 2) to learn ones body in the way they respond to a certain diet and training and then utilize the best ones for them for their up coming cycle.

And I mean quality years, training like a athlete, squats, deads, etc. Not half assing it and going out every night getting drunk and doing chest/arms 3x a week.

People need to learn themselves IMO and achieve certain goals before resorting to drugs. Steroids, clen, t3, GH whatever all should be the final addition into the equation

[RangersLTW]

Exactly Reed, oh and I was informed that my workout is not much of a basic workout...but again it is something like mine.......just trying to give the guy a start to see how a workout looked

[osuguy2009]

I think what we are trying to mostly teach here is work ethic and learning your body along the way so you know how you respond. Also when gains can be made natural why not do it that way instead of being weak and on steroids THEN having to do PCT and losing them, also if you don't have a diet or training regiment that is solid you can expect it to be a waste

This guy is asking way to many basic questions about training, dieting and etc so how could any one in there right mind say hey just go ahead and start shooting up and hope for the best as some ones body is probably not adapted to heavy training and the sudden increase in strength can lead to problems with one joints, etc

I personally believe that any one should put in quality years (3+) into training and dieting (I did) prior to the use of steroids. This will allow enough time to 1) make enough gains naturally, 2) to learn ones body in the way they respond to a certain diet and training and then utilize the best ones for them for their up coming cycle.

And I mean quality years, training like a athlete, squats, deads, etc. Not half assing it and going out every night getting drunk and doing chest/arms 3x a week.

People need to learn themselves IMO and achieve certain goals before resorting to drugs. Steroids, clen, t3, GH whatever all should be the final addition into the equation

I agree.