Bro, I hate to inform you, but the lazy people get fine health care here.I know, I'm a tax payer and pay for it!!!Originally Posted by Juturna
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Bro, I hate to inform you, but the lazy people get fine health care here.I know, I'm a tax payer and pay for it!!!
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Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be one
Imagine no possesions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one
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Mad Matt , you know I love you!!!LOL
Shit, I hope DSM doesn't get jealous!!!!!
Suspended or Banned either way gone!
Who's Obama
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Some guy that was running for prez or something?
Some guy with just about no experience at all.
But, then again most don't.
Hows everyone like your hope and change???
Something like that speech or something.........
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Hold the phone T you forgot he lactates hope from his nipples
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He is trying to displace the capitalist system with socialism,changing the social relationships underpinning the class system and then developing into a future classless and stateless society in which "the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.
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Bro, I don't know if I can handle this load of bricks on my back!!!!
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Bro, you forgot about the 10 commandment tablets he smashed.
And the parting of the Red Sea.
And I think he walked on water on "FOX NEWS"!!!
Am I a trouble maker or what??????
You either love me or hate me.
If it's the latter, pick a number in get in line!!!LOL
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Nothing but love my BrotherBro, you forgot about the 10 commandment tablets he smashed.
And the parting of the Red Sea.
And I think he walked on water on "FOX NEWS"!!!
Am I a trouble maker or what??????
You either love me or hate me.
If it's the latter, pick a number in get in line!!!LOL
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Huh . . . that sounds familiar . . . where did I hear that one before? Oh yeah . . .
Obama was added in the August 2009 version.
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MY MAN TOCK!!!!
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So, what does it mean?
Because it's a re-post of something, someone else posted.
This thread is about politics of the current president.
Make no assertions or assumptions to contrary.
There have been alot of "bad" presidents in the past.
This one got in at the wrong time, under the wrong guise, and in a recession.
We have no $$$ to be screwing around with what he wants to push in his personal agenda.
I know you like this guy, but it is what it is.
Bush wasn't much better.
I think they should clone REGAN and put him back in office.
Now, that man was for the people.
Can't contest that.
Dam shame he went out the way he did.
So, even the Dems are arguing about what's going on.
This guy is a one termer, for sure.
You think Bush was unpopular?
Wait and see what happens to "YOUR HOPE AND CHANGE"!!!
This guys popularity is spiraling down like a meteor.
Talk is cheap.
It one his election.
But, guess what?
It isn't going to be cheap.
Wait till it hits you in the wallet full force.
You won't be able to sit down for a week.
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What it means Titanium, is that people like the OP like to put out misinformation (lies) to make a point. It's cool to put out information to support your argument as long as it's true. Putting out lies to prove a point or to further your agenda discredits any point you are trying to make. If you are secure in your arguments your won't need lies, the truth is the best weapon, right?
Regan wasn't for the people, c'mon Titanium. Regan was for people like him! To me, Clinton was 'for the people'. So there is a definite disagreement there. We could go on all day about why I think Regan wasn't a 'for the people' president. You also want to remember that during Regan's first 2yrs his popularity shrank to 45% range.
Last edited by BgMc31; 08-19-2009 at 08:52 PM.
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Your right.
I know they all had dirt on there hands.
But, with the Obama race, if you said anything about him, or even accused him of wrong doing, you were chastised.
You were then labeled a racist.
And you can't say that he didn't play the "black" man card out of his deck of cards.
I'm not a racist, by any means.
I don't care about color, gender, or political affiliations.
I just want the best man for the job.
I voted for Ron Paul, if it is of any consequence.
So, I like and admire you bro.
You stand up, present a current argument, and make articulate responses.
I'm going to bed.
Past my bedtime.
I'm all screwed up about T-MOS's passing.
I'm just really upset about it right now.
Terrible and tragic loss.
Peace bro, and have a good night.
Titanium
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i think that the OP was making an analogy comparing Pres Obama's far left pollicies, to socialism and giving a small scale example of how socialism doesnt work. i dont believe that anyone on here hasnt seen this story before and even if they hadnt actually believed that this is Obama's Plan, that he wrote in between his other 3 books he was busy writing instead of getting any executive experience. i see it as an easy way out instead of actually defending his views to just play the childish game of "you prove it," "liar, liar, pants on fire." great strategy.
please give me a news source that isnt slanted. if what you are reading or watching is fair, then mine must be way off because you are so far away from me and what i view as reality.
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No doubt Titanium. We can pick this up at a later date. Even though me and TMos didn't get along, I'll mourn his passing.
Peace to you too, brotha!!!
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I voted for obama....... NOT!!!! Obama obama obama obama.... a mil and a mil and a mil and... gota sing it to the tune of little wayne and the obama has a nice ring to it, they are cousins didnt you know?
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How many here own their own business??
I own a Bail Bonds company
I own with my Brother a Air trans company (8 helos and 2 fixed wings)
I farm with my brother over 70k acres of corn and soy
My brother a Trucking company (100 trucks)
My wife private practice ( Doctor)
His wife private practice ( Doctor)
The farm is from my grandfather and father everything else I worked for
I contribute to the system I pay taxes unemployment taxes I am taxed to ****ing death. The airfield we fly out of is across the street from the welfare office, the first of the month is free money time so we count the beamers, Mercedes, Lexus, as they show up. So this is what I get from your ass hat president Mr Pig since you have so much I will take it from you and give it to these lazy ass people who do not want to work for it and put your future family in debt for years to come because I am angry Black man and that whitey has had it good for so long. This I take from your post's BgMc31. And be for you came at me for that remark my grandfather and grandmotrher have this nice little number tat on their arms a long time ago. Because they where demed unworthy, I have bleed for this country so has my father and brother. I will not drink the coolaid and I will not go quietly in the Night.
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Well what you take from my post is completely wrong. It's not my fault you posted erroneous information without checking your facts. I'm not an angry black man. As a matter of fact, I'm a quite cheerful, bi-racial man. I've owned my own business, I work hard, as does my wife. I'm the son of a 30yr, Army veteran, I've worked in law enforcement, I coach and mentor at risk youth. And no I don't believe in a welfare state. My family has been in this country since before its inception (both black and white), I've seen the progress we've made but I'm not dillusional to fact that more progress needs to be made.
As far as the President. You can't fault him for the beamers, Lexus', and Benz's at the welfare office, he's only been in office for 6 mos. So you are way off based. My people (both black and white) have worked hard building this country. I take pride in that. Seems to me you're an angry white man, mad that your white priviledge is ending and now you are looking for the easiest scapegoat...a black president. So by all means, don't drink the coolaid, but don't complain about being thirsty either!
FYI, if the intent of your post is to say that blacks and other minorities are lazy and living off a welfare system, the number one recipient of welfare is white women with one or two children...check those facts, you might learn something.
Last edited by BgMc31; 08-20-2009 at 10:10 AM.
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What is this white privladge you speak of ?? You bring it up alot why??
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Oh really...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege
I bring it up in the context of these anti-Obama debates because the US government has been screwing over minorities since it's birth and its never been a concern. Now that whites think they are being screwed over by a black president, you all are up in arms and talking revolution and conspiracy theories.
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You say you owned your own business what was it what do you do now ??? You say you were a cop at one time did you retire???
Yes LAZY why work when you can have it handed to you the obama plan
Oh and the only people that where here first was the Redman
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You really need to re-read my post. I never said I was a cop, I said I worked in law enforcement. I was a corrections officer. I currently work as a operations and marketing manager for a casino here in vegas.
Please explain to me where in this so-called Obama plan that there is a provision where people do not have to work and they'll get taken care of for life. From what I understand he's made no changes to the current welfare program.
I never said my people were here first, I said they have been here since before its conception. Big difference!
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I was brought up Roman Catholic.
I don't go to church anymore.
I'm two thirds English, One third Italian, and Indian.(Blackfoot).
So, my ancestors were fed to the lions for there religious beliefs.
And, my Indian tribe were slaughtered out of existence.
Blacks made out pretty dam good, If you ask me....
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Please cite a source.
How can you claim that whites are privileged and then go on to say the number one recipient of aid are white women?
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Here we go again!
Let the games begin!!!!!!
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Just like people accuse minorities of taking advantage of the system and living for free off the backs of other's. Whites are guilty of the same. But since you asked....here's a link:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...8/ai_12970819/
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Sry buddy but that is a mis-representation
White 38.8%
Black 39.8
Hispanic 15.7
Asian 2.4
other 3.3
So, even if numerically the number one ends up being white women.
Black people are under 15% of the total population...where white people are in the 60% ballpark.
As a percentage of population more blacks are on welfare. Not that it's that simple and has little to do with being lazy and more to do with circumstance.
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While I'm not disputing your info, Kratos, please post your source of this info please. And do these statistice reflect the % of those population on welfare or total % of welfare recipients as a whole?
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what is this "white priviledge"
bunch of bullsht..
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Yes plz explain this white privilege you keep bringing up!!! You said in your post that you are a bi-racial man (white black) then would you not be in that white privilege you sling or do you just become black when it suites you.
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i have been a victim of affirmitive action my whole life.
so please, take ur "white priviledge" and the stupid wikipedia article and shove it.
however i do respect what u do for the comunitey and youth, for that u are a good man.
i may hate ur views, but its good to see or read about someone giving back.
world neads more of that regardless of color..
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And I've been a victim of white privledge my whole life, so shove it right back!!!
And please believe I don't just do coaching and mentoring for black kids, my athletes are black, white, and hispanic. I don't care about these kids race. But I'm also not naive to the fact that race plays a role in life.
I feel accomplished
btw, the numbers I quoted are right in the ebony article you posted
"Among the poorest of the poor--single mothers, living below the poverty line with minor children to support 39.7 percent of AFDC clients are Black single mothers and 38.1 percent are White women with children."
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"Although the numbers show that Whites get the biggest chunk of public aid dollars, welfare critics still charge that Blacks shouldn't collect 33 percent of welfare benefits when they only make up 12 percent of the general population."
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"But racism is at the heart of the standard-of-living gap between Blacks and Whites, welfare advocates argue. Unlawful race-based hiring practices, they contend, keep Blacks from getting jobs that pay enough to lift them out of poverty. Until more blue-collar jobs open up to Black workers, Blacks will continue to battle poverty and the freeloader misconception."
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the very way that article defines welfare is ridiculous
social security...as if we have a choice in the matter
"Social Security is the nation's largest welfare program, although many Whites prefer to call it a retirement plan. The government writes retirement and disability benefit checks to 35.4 million recipients of whom 88.7 percent are White and 9.6 percent are Black. The reason behind this shocking disparity is perhaps the most lamentable of all: The life expectancy rate for Blacks is six years shorter than that of Whites, meaning Black workers spend years paying into a retirement system only to have White retirees reap the benefits for a longer time."
I'm sorry but that is a racist article by design. What about the fact that I'm white, forced to pay in, and God knows what I get to take out later if anything. Social security is a peice of crap, and there is no reason to use it to skew the numbers in favor of the author.
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but the truth is social security reform is not in the best interest of black Americans
Why?
"There are several key reasons that Social Security is of disproportionate importance to African Americans:
Social Security has a progressive benefit structure. Since African Americans have lower lifetime earnings than whites, on average, they benefit disproportionately from this aspect of Social Security. Other features of Social Security provide additional protections for African Americans.
Social Security’s family income insurance is comprehensive; it provides insurance against becoming disabled and pays survivors benefits to the families of deceased workers. African Americans are more likely than other Americans to benefit from these insurance components of Social Security.
Indeed, studies have consistently found that African Americans get a modestly higher rate of return on their Social Security contributions than do whites.
Social Security also makes up a larger share of the income of elderly African Americans than of elderly white people. This reflects, in part, the fact that African Americans are less likely to have retirement accounts or life insurance than whites. Elderly African Americans also have a harder time finding work and have less in earnings than do elderly whites. These factors make Social Security an even more important component of African Americans’ retirement security."
Studies Consistently Show African Americans Get a Higher Rate of Return
Because of the features of Social Security that are particularly beneficial to African Americans, a wide range of studies from official government agencies and leading academic researchers has consistently produced the same finding — African Americans get modestly higher rates of return from Social Security than do non-Hispanic whites. In other words, they receive a little more back for each dollar paid in payroll taxes than whites do.
These studies are based on large data sets that capture the differences in experience between different groups of people, including differences in earnings, mortality, and other demographic characteristics. A number of these studies are based on an actual historical sample of Social Security earnings and/or benefits. Other studies use a historical sample to develop a projection of future incomes and benefits.
The Social Security program itself is race blind. The benefits it pays are a function of a worker’s earnings history and family situation. The findings of these studies reflect the fact that the Social Security system is progressive (i.e., of greater benefit, relative to taxes paid, for people with lower incomes, even after taking into account the fact that people with lower incomes tend to have higher mortality rates).
We provide here a summary of the leading studies that have been conducted on rates of return in Social Security by race. These studies take into account differences in earnings, mortality rates, disability rates, and other factors.
The studies fall into three categories: those that examine Social Security retirement and survivors benefits but do not include disability benefits; studies that examine rates of return on disability benefits; and studies that cover the entire Social Security system (i.e., retirement, survivors and disability benefits).
1. Studies Examining Social Security Retirement and Survivors Benefits. These studies have consistently found that African Americans have a similar or slightly higher rate of return than whites in the retirement and survivors portions of Social Security. (The precise results can be sensitive to the cohort examined and the measure of redistribution used.)
Study conducted by Treasury economists: A major study conducted by economists from the Department of the Treasury, using the Social Security Administration’s Continuous Work History Sample (a sample of nearly 40,000 actual earnings histories), found that African-Americans received an average annual rate of return half a percentage point higher than the average rate of return for whites (where the “white” category generally includes both Hispanic and non-Hispanic whites).[12] This is a relatively large difference when compounded over several decades to retirement, potentially translating to thousands of dollars at retirement.
Social Security Administration study: Dean Leimer of the Social Security Administration used an even more comprehensive data set and confirmed the earlier findings. Leimer reported that “the results generally support the findings of closely related previous research, confirming that… the ‘Other Races’ group fared better by these measures than the ‘White’ race group in most of the cohorts considered.” Leimer found that males of “other races” received a 0.4 percent higher annual rate of return, on average, than white males, and females of other races received a 0.7 percent higher average rate of return than white females.[13] (Note that the “white” category generally includes both Hispanic and non-Hispanic whites. Other studies have shown that Hispanics, as a group, consistently have a higher Social Security rate of return than either African Americans or non-Hispanic whites.[14] Thus Leimer’s results are likely to understate the difference between non-Hispanic whites and blacks.)
Liebman study: Jeffrey Liebman, an economist at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government whose work on Social Security is widely cited, simulated rates of return for future years, using data on past differences in incomes, mortality, and other demographic characteristics derived from data from the Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP) and the Social Security Administration’s historical records. His study found that African Americans will receive an average annual rate of return from Social Security that is 1.64 percent above the inflation rate, slightly above the 1.52 percent real average rate of return for non-Hispanic whites.[15]
Urban Institute/Social Security Administration study: Analysts from the Urban Institute and the Social Security Administration conducted an analysis using the MINT model (Modeling Income in the Near Term), a large micro-data set that projects incomes through 2031 and is the main model that the Social Security Administration uses for its analyses on a range of Social Security issues. The analysts found that for people born between 1956 and 1965 (the group examined in this study), African American men will receive an average annual rate of return that is 1.99 percent above the inflation rate, as compared to 1.96 percent above inflation for non-Hispanic white men. For women, the difference was slightly larger: a 3.33 percent average annual rate of return (above inflation) for African-American women, compared to a 3.20 percent average rate of return for non-Hispanic white women.[16] An earlier and more comprehensive study by the same authors found that for some earlier birth cohorts, whites had a higher rate of return than blacks.[17]
2. Studies of Social Security Disability Insurance. Studies that have examined rates of return by race in the Social Security disability insurance program have found larger differences between the races in this part of Social Security. Here, as well, African Americans receive higher rates of return than whites.
Urban Institute/Social Security Administration study. The Urban Institute-SSA study referred to above found that African-American men receive a 0.3 percent higher average annual rate of return from Social Security disability insurance than non-Hispanic white men. African-American women receive a 0.4 percent higher average rate of return.[18]
Social Security Administration study. Dean Leimer of the Social Security Administration conducted a separate study on disability insurance. This study did not analyze rates of return but compared the amount of money contributed in payroll taxes to disability insurance to the amount of benefits received from 1957 through 1995. Leimer found that for every $1 contributed to the DI program from 1957 to 1995, whites got $0.88 back while “other races” got back $1.30. (Note, these results do not establish that disability insurance is a “bad deal” for whites. Leimer makes no attempt to project future Social Security benefits. Some of the contributions to payroll taxes in the 1957 to 1995 period will go toward future disability benefits that were not captured in Leimer’s window.)[19] "
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=885
so, yeah, ebony basically calling social security racist is just supidity aimed skillfully at their audience, with careful manipulation of the numbers.
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great read bro, great read......
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On the night of the 45th anniversary of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s famous speech "I Have a Dream" Senator Barack Obama gave his acceptance speech at the Democratic convention in Denver, Colorado. Many Democrats thought about Dr. King's vision was fulfilled on that historic night. However, not all African Americans agree. "Barack Obama is directly contrary to many positions and beliefs of Martin Luther King, Jr.," says black author William Owens, Jr. "Obama is trying to make African-Americans believe he is the reality of the Dream come true, but he's not. It's a nightmare."
A recent Gallup poll reveals 91 percent of African-Americans intend to vote for Obama. Nevertheless, there are dissenting voices trying to reach their community with a warning about the candidate. Dr. Alveda King, daughter of MLK's younger brother, the late slain civil rights activist Rev. A.D. King, says, "Senator Obama's answer to the ills of society, of higher government spending, weaker national defense, continued tax dollars to Planned Parenthood, and support of gay marriage, are diametrically opposed to everything African Americans truly believe and an anathema to the dream of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr."
Mr. Owens, founder of Black Americans for Real Change (BARC), makes it known, "I will not remain silent out of fear of repercussions because it is politically incorrect for Blacks to challenge Blacks." He says one aspect of Obama's candidacy is "intimidation because many people are afraid to scrutinize Obama and speak out because of the race issue." Owens believes Obama is manipulative of African Americans because "in reality he is not a Black American. His heritage is Muslim -- not African American" and calls Obama a pretender and panderer. He points out that the candidate's record "does not remotely parallel the values, traditions and struggles of Black America
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because it is right.'" He passionately adds, "This is not the time to be silent; this is not the time to give Barack Obama a free pass! There is too much at stake."
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