140lbs anavar only cycle

[Pectorial]

5 packed eggs on wholemeal toast
banana
half tub of cottage cheese
pro biotic yoghurt
taurine

jug of oats,milk,peanut butter, egg whites

snack
tin of tuna
table spoon of peanut butter

lunch
tuna and chicke pasta salad with linseed and flaxeed oil
oatmeal bars x 2
half tub of cottage cheese

pre workout
banana
sweet potatoes

post workout
whey protein shake
pine apple extract
creatine

jug of oats,milk,peanut butter, egg whites

dinner
chicken/steak with vegetables etc
amino acids

snack

egg mayonaise/scrambled egg on wholemeal bread
handful of nuts
tub cottage cheese


ps i dont want to be huge im going for the mens health look... my ideal weight would be around about the 155lbs mark :-)

[RIPSpawn]

Anyone else think a 5 week anavar only cycle at 35 mg is a pretty damn weak cycle? Is it even worth it?

[terraj]

Depends on the size of the person and quality of Var....human grade, 30ed is fine.
Also, you will learn that each body is different.
However IMO, 5 weeks is short


Peace
Terraj

[james21]

I am sure you can do this natty no problem. And 5 weeks would be too short for var, and if its not human grade that dose is low. I would look into something else if you are determined.

[Pectorial]

its EP anavar 5mg tabs ???

[.EA.]

A 6-8 week Anavar cycle will do no harm. However your diet and training routine will have to be changed. If you can't gain naturally, you won't gain much just off Anavar. Diet is key.

And I would do at least 40mg.

[elpropiotorvic]

Same shit here 6ft and 160 ...I have reached 205 just diet.. Used var after that...

[Pectorial]

at least 40mg when i only weigh 140lbs though? Ive known lads that weigh as much as 164lbs do only 40mg a day and see good gains.?

[Juturna]

Pectorial - if I were you I'd stop worrying about Anavar completely. What you need is a diet fix. Also you said your goal is 155 at 5'8''. That is still very skinny - I hope you know that.

5 packed eggs on wholemeal toast
banana
half tub of cottage cheese
pro biotic yoghurt
taurine
jug of oats,milk,peanut butter, egg whites
Try:
6 egg whites
3 whole eggs
1/2cup Brown Rice

snack
tin of tuna
table spoon of peanut butter
Try:
8oz Chicken (Breast, Grilled)
1/2 cup Brown Rice
Fish Oil

lunch
tuna and chicke pasta salad with linseed and flaxeed oil
oatmeal bars x 2
half tub of cottage cheese
Try:
8oz Chicken (Breast, Grilled)
1 sweet potato


pre workout
banana
sweet potatoes
Try:
1 white potato
4 Chicken
4tbs Apple Cider Vinegar
1/2cup Almonds


post workout
whey protein shake
pine apple extract
creatine
jug of oats,milk,peanut butter, egg whites
Try:
8oz Ground Beef (93/7)
1cup Brown Rice
1/2 glass NATURAL Grape Juice

dinner
chicken/steak with vegetables etc
amino acids
Try:
8oz Ground Beef/Ground Turkey (93/7)
1/2cup Brown Rice
snack

egg mayonaise/scrambled egg on wholemeal bread
handful of nuts
tub cottage cheese

Eliminate meal.

Advice in bold.

[bedada]

Pectorial you have a great build now. Juturna has a great point about the diet. I am about 5-6 and would be around 125-130 (I'm 160) if I didn't eat more than I needed to eat. Bottom line is you have to eat when you're not very hungry. It's painful, but you get used to it and it works. I just did a cycle of Var only (20mg for seven weeks) and put on about 12 pounds. Some people on here don't understand guys like us who just want to put on 10-15 pounds because we are already ripped with six packs and just want a little extra bulk. Most of my buddies I know who have taken the gas went from 5-8/5-10 160 to 220lbs. If you want to be a pro wrestler or football player or bouncer that is great, but if you want the fitness look your goals are perfect. I'd take the var for at least 6-8 weeks. It will get you over that hump.

[dec11]

i know a few 140lb powerlifters that blow the hell outa 200lb guys, light is not nessecarily weaker and why not take gear at that weight?

[IggySupra]

5'8"@ 140lbs!!!!!! Im 5'8"@ 175lbs@10% and I think Im small as fuqk. Post your diet so these guys can help you out asap!

[gymnerd]

I agree you are not eating enough IMO. Why are you looking to do an anavar cycle over a test cycle? I think it would add alot more size than var would. Var is more for cutting IMO.

[dec11]

^^
yep, try test

[Pectorial]

i dont want to do test because i refuse to have the bloaty look and i dont want any sides.

it was a toss up between t-bol, anavar or superdrol tbh.. im going to stick at anavar for about 7 weeks... if i only gain 5lbs ill be happy cos it will really make the difference as i am already ripped like van damme.

i will take advice on diet though thanks guys ill let yas know how i get on.

:-)

[Pectorial]

Pectorial you have a great build now. Juturna has a great point about the diet. I am about 5-6 and would be around 125-130 (I'm 160) if I didn't eat more than I needed to eat. Bottom line is you have to eat when you're not very hungry. It's painful, but you get used to it and it works. I just did a cycle of Var only (20mg for seven weeks) and put on about 12 pounds. Some people on here don't understand guys like us who just want to put on 10-15 pounds because we are already ripped with six packs and just want a little extra bulk. Most of my buddies I know who have taken the gas went from 5-8/5-10 160 to 220lbs. If you want to be a pro wrestler or football player or bouncer that is great, but if you want the fitness look your goals are perfect. I'd take the var for at least 6-8 weeks. It will get you over that hump.

appreciated

mens health look over flex look anyday

[Juturna]

i dont want to do test because i refuse to have the bloaty look and i dont want any sides.

it was a toss up between t-bol, anavar or superdrol tbh.. im going to stick at anavar for about 7 weeks... if i only gain 5lbs ill be happy cos it will really make the difference as i am already ripped like van damme.

i will take advice on diet though thanks guys ill let yas know how i get on.

:-)

Already ripped like VD? Hahaha - buddy I hate to bring you down... but being 5'8'' and 140 pounds doesn't qualify as 'ripped' it qualifies as... an eleven year old.

You think the people in Men's Health are 5'8'' / 140?



Not even close. The girl on his back weighs more than you.


I'm not ripping on you for the fvck of it - I'm just recommending you bulk naturally and stop doing AAS at your weight.

[Pectorial]

mens health cover models average about 155lbs and about 5 foot 10

[Juturna]

Oh really? I should probably read menshealthmagazinecovermodelstats.com more often.


YOU DON'T NEED AAS TO GAIN 5 LBS! Just want to take the easy way out. A shame.

[Pectorial]

yes but a course of anavar wouldnt harm me aslong as i improve my diet and eat eat eat would it?

[Juturna]

Though Anavar doesn't stop your HPTA, it inhibits it.

1: Clin Endocrinol (Oxf) 1997 Feb;46(2):209-16 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut


Effect of low dose oxandrolone and testosterone treatment on the pituitary-testicular and gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - axes in boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty.

Crowne EC, Wallace WH, Moore C, Mitchell R, Robertson WH, Holly JM, Shalet SM.

Department of Endocrinology, Christie Hospital Trust, Manchester, UK.

OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of low dose oxandrolone and testosterone on the pituitary-testicular and gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - -IGF-I axes. DESIGN: Prospective double-blind placebo-controlled trial. PATIENTS: Sixteen boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty (CDGP) with testicular volumes 4-6 ml were randomized to 3 months treatment: Group 1 (n = 5), daily placebo: Group 2 (n = 5), 2.5 mg oxandrolone daily or Group 3 (n = 6), 50 mg testosterone monthly intramuscular injections with assessment (growth, pubertal development and overnight hormone profiles) at 0, 3, 6 and 12 months. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: lh - leutenizing hormone - and gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - profiles (15-minute samples) were analysed by peak detection (Pulsar), Fourier transformation and autocorrelation. Testosterone levels were measured hourly and insulin, sex hormone binding globulin , IGF-I, and IGFBP-3 levels at 0800 h. Statistical analysis was by multivariate analysis of variance for repeated measures. RESULTS: lh - leutenizing hormone - and testosterone parameters increased significantly with time in all 16 (lh - leutenizing hormone - AUC, P < 0.001; peak amplitude, P = 0.02; number of peaks, P = 0.02; testosterone AUC, P = 0.02; morning testosterone, P = 0.002). In Group 2, however, lh - leutenizing hormone - and testosterone parameters decreased at 3 months followed by a rebound increase at 6 and 12 months. sex hormone binding globulin levels were markedly reduced at 3 months (P = 0.006) and a wider range of dominant gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - frequencies was present although gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - AUC was not increased until 6 months, with an increase in gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - pulse frequency but not amplitude. IGF-I levels were increased at both 3 and 12 months. In Group 3, pituitary-testicular suppression was not apparent, but gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - levels increased with an increase in gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - amplitude at 3 and 12 months. CONCLUSION: Oxandrolone transiently suppressed the pituitary-testicular axis and altered gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - pulsatility. Testosterone increased gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - via amplitude modulation.

Publication Types:
Clinical trial
Randomized controlled trial
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J Pediatr 1979 Apr;94(4):657-62 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut


The effect of synthetic androgens on the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis in boys with constitutionally dela growth.

Hopwood NJ, Kelch RP, Zipf WB, Hernandez RJ.

Serial concentrations of basal serum lh - leutenizing hormone - , FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - , testosterone, and lh - leutenizing hormone - and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - responses to intravenous gonadotropin-releasing hormone were measured before and during six months of administration of fluoxymesterone or oxandrolone in 14 boys with constitutionally dela growth and adolescence, in order to assess the effects of these androgens on maturation of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis. Before therapy all boys had normal hormonal responses based on bone age. At the end of six months therapy 10 of the 14 boys had lower lh - leutenizing hormone - responses (34 to 89% reduction) to GnRH without consistent changes in FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - responses. With both androgens, there there was significant suppression of both basal serum FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - and testosterone. Eleven boys were restudied six months after completion of therapy; basal serum lh - leutenizing hormone - , FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - , and testosterone and responses to GnRH were equal to or greater than pretreatment levels, indicating recovery or progressive maturation of the HPGA. All boys had increased growth velocity and imporved weight gain without excessive bone age advancement; all had improved psychosocial adjustment.

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1: Clin Endocrinol (Oxf) 1993 Apr;38(4):393-8 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut


The effects of oxandrolone on the growth hormone and gonadal axes in boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty.

Malhotra A, Poon E, Tse WY, Pringle PJ, Hindmarsh PC, Brook CG.

Endocrine Unit, Middlesex Hospital, London, UK.

OBJECTIVE: We studied the effects of oxandrolone on serum concentrations of lh - leutenizing hormone - , FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - , testosterone, gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - , sex hormone binding globulin , DHEAS, IGF-I and insulin in boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty. DESIGN: Ten boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty, mean age 13.8 years (range 12.4-15.5) were studied. Twenty-four-hour serum concentration profiles of gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - , lh - leutenizing hormone - and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - were constructed by drawing blood samples at 20-minute intervals. Three study occasions over a period of 6 months were chosen to assess hormone concentrations before, during and 6 weeks after a 3-month course of oxandrolone (2.5 mg once daily) therapy. RESULTS: Growth velocity increased during oxandrolone treatment and sta higher after therapy (pre 3.9 +/- 0.5; on 6.3 +/- 0.8; post 6.4 +/- 0.9 cm/year (mean +/- SEM) two way ANOVA, F = 5.3, P = 0.02). Oxandrolone had androgenic effects, suppressing mean serum lh - leutenizing hormone - concentrations from 1.7 +/- 0.3 to 1.1 +/- 0.2 U/I and serum testosterone concentrations from 1.9 +/- 0.6 to 0.8 +/- 0.1 nmol/l. sex hormone binding globulin concentrations were also reduced from 130.9 +/- 14.6 to 30.7 +/- 7.3 nmol/l. Serum gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - concentration fell slightly from 5.9 +/- 0.6 to 4.8 +/- 0.5 mU/l. After cessation of treatment, there was a significant 'rebound' in mean 24-hour serum lh - leutenizing hormone - (2.6 U/l +/- 0.4) and testosterone concentrations (3.2 +/- 0.9 nmol/l) but no change in serum gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - concentrations. sex hormone binding globulin values also rose but not to the same extent as those observed before therapy (82.0 +/- 8.4 nmol/l). There were no statistically significant differences in serum concentrations of FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - , DHEAS, IGF-I and insulin over the study period. In a stepwise multiple regression analysis of factors that might influence the growth rate observed, the 24-hour mean serum testosterone concentration and the treatment (on or off) with oxandrolone were the main influences. The relationship was described by the equation Height velocity = 0.69 (24-hour mean serum testosterone concentration)+1.70 (treatment regimen)+3.37 (adjusted R2 = 0.35, F = 8.39, P = 0.001). CONCLUSIONS: Oxandrolone has an androgenic action as shown by changes in serum lh - leutenizing hormone - , testosterone and sex hormone binding globulin concentrations and by the lack of effect on FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - . No effect of oxandrolone on the gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - axis was doented. We suggest that the growth promoting effects of oxandrolone are related in part to the mild androgenic effects of the steroid and the growth acceleration following oxandrolone withdrawal may reflect increasing total serum testosterone concentrations and decreasing levels of sex hormone binding globulin and progress in puberty.



As you can see - yes it can be harmful as any drug - and for a 5 pound gain (Which you can make in one months' time naturally) is pointless.

[Pectorial]

each to their own...

if it dont work it dont work...

[amcon]

A 6-8 week Anavar cycle will do no harm. However your diet and training routine will have to be changed. If you can't gain naturally, you won't gain much just off Anavar. Diet is key.

And I would do at least 40mg.

ea... great avatar... good advise

[amcon]

yes but a course of anavar wouldnt harm me aslong as i improve my diet and eat eat eat would it?

pectorial... good point, if you have it use it.

or save it and use it w some test...

im sorry i forgot you age and dont feel like looking back to see...

if you older than 28, or if you already shut down (natty test) do test/pro hormones, w a good diet.

if you are younger than 28 and want to have kids, dont wnat to do hrt or trt, have diet in check, then build natturally untill you cant go any further...

that is the correct path - for advise... truth being told i cycled at 20 and wish i had more info before i did that about aas.

you have a great base to build off of... the food wont make you fat or too bulky... it will help you build lean muscle - and that is what you want to do correct?

do the anavar but if you do understand you will see the same gain from eating right, 5 to 8 lbs a month, the anavar for 5 weeks 5 - 10 lbs...

[hankdiesel]

5'8"@ 140lbs!!!!!! Im 5'8"@ 175lbs@10% and I think Im small as fuqk. Post your diet so these guys can help you out asap!

His diet has already been posted. Wake the f^Ck up. To the OP I say do your thing. Your weight is light but you are ripped. Your diet may need a little work but it's not that bad. Good luck!

[Jackalhead]

I'm 5'8 and 143 lbs / 11.3% body fat, so we're pretty close. I got a six pack already and 15.5" arms... I'd be interested to know how many mg of which injections they recommend for a starter cycle for someone our size.

[elpropiotorvic]

pectorial....Something else I would say, try and see if u can spice up ur training, are u squatting and deadlifting enough, Cause intense training makes u extremely anabolic, and these exercises do the thing, properly trained...u will feel a monster after the gym.... and u will hate feeling hunger after only one hour of having a full meal....but when u hit that 7th meal or the sixth u feel mighty...every morning u will wake up and be stronger and stronger....u will make impressive gains...u know u trained well if u are very very very hungry after the weights...good luck..

[premedreject]

yeah, this guy at my gym was the cover of the abs edition for mens health, and he said he is like 155

[Juturna]

Who cares about whether Mens' Health likes people at 155 or 555 lbs...

The point at hand is this kid wants to gain 5 pounds (he's 5'8'' and 140) and chose AAS to do this. It's the epitome of taking the easy way out...

Obviously despite what diet and training regiment he posts on the forum he isn't following in in reality because you can get 5 pounds naturally in a month! I can't believe some of you are supporting it? Bewildering. I'm off this thread.

[Pectorial]

yeah just implemented deadlift and squats into my training... i used to have a seperate day for them but started lagging cos it was my chest i really needed to work on.

i never stick to the same routine either ill do supersets one week, giant sets another then low rep, high reps etc even one and quarters i like to mix it all up.

knocked the cardio on the head aswell cos i was doing 60min runs 4 times a week at one point which is no good if i want to add size.

all advice appreciated even the not soo good ones ha

[Pectorial]

things are coming on well ...

up 3lbs nd im solid as a rock.

chest is lifting and ive never been so veiny

strength is about the same

appetite has decreased slighty

sleeping well

things are good

doing 8 weeks now av decided..


up to 45mg per day after friday.

[IggySupra]

I'm 5'8 and 143 lbs / 11.3% body fat, so we're pretty close. I got a six pack already and 15.5" arms... I'd be interested to know how many mg of which injections they recommend for a starter cycle for someone our size.

I wanna see pics of this!!

To OP, not high jacking thread, just comparison reasons. Im 5'8"@ 175. 10-11% bf. here is a pic of me. if I drop to about 7%( 7lbs or so) and weigh in at 168, i think it will STILL look skinny as fuqk.

[Aodha]

I can relate to hard gainers. Your var seems ok. Have you ever thought of running dbol? It's more for bulk and it'd help your appetite and weight gain. I could be wrong but I always thought var was a weaker oral more targeted at cutting. You're already cut so I don't see the point in running anavar.

[Aodha]

I wanna see pics of this!!

To OP, not high jacking thread, just comparison reasons. Im 5'8"@ 175. 10-11% bf. here is a pic of me. if I drop to about 7%( 7lbs or so) and weigh in at 168, i think it will STILL look skinny as fuqk.

Dude u look exactly like a buddy of mine named Diego.

[Pectorial]

pics i taken today...

as you can see i need to build on my chest...

i have horse shoe triceps but you cant tell on her... they are really well developed.

http://i28.tinypic.com/2uzqx34.jpg

[1bigun11]

Interesting thread. Pectorial I dont know how you created so much interest in this thread by just asking a simple question. Did you ever get your answer?

[Pectorial]

haha not really ive had a few members have digs at me..


got better pics to put up but my phone isnt connecting :-S


p.s i love anavar ha ha

[chuckt12345]

ill take being skinny and ripped like that over being strong and look like a log 7 days a wk and twice on sunday

and i totally disagree with the non belief about hard gainers. Genetics plays more of a role than diet IMO

[spooledup]

How is your sex drive? Have your testicles shrank any?

I read some of the research the guy posted above. They said that anavar had a transient response as far as suppression. Key word being transient, which means "brief".

I really wouldn't consider that research applicable, it was on young boys with screwed up endocrine systems. Even if you did, the suppression doesn't really seem to be an issue, even in their case.

[elpropiotorvic]

^^^ I asked the same question In another thread and no answer... The truth is man I felt super horny on var ... As a matter of Fact erections were baaamm....and about a month after using it ,,,, I went to the gym and I slassume my test was high cause I was doing pretty agressive and horny all the time ( 3 chicks)