Handgun Gurus...

[RIPSpawn]

It's a smaller caliber, but I recommend a Kel Tech 380. Those things are so ****in small, they are awsome for up close battle.

For 9 mm, I recommend a Khar Arms gun. They are very compact.

I own both. If you buy a gun that is too big it will be a waste cause it will be too much of a pain in the ass to carry it and you will start getting lazy and leaving it at home like i did with mine.

[kalspic]

i would say just go to a gun store and test them.

[DOM6]

Whats the best (most reliable) handgun for conceal/carry in the, lets say, $300-$500 or so price range...

Along with 9mm, .40, or.45.....

well do you have your concealed lic????

[.45Caliber]

I know some will disagree; however, a cheap gun that goes bang, look into the thunder .380. It should sell for cheaper than your price range. A friend of mine just got one and we were shooting the other day. It worked great for the price..... Although, I did think it was kinda heavy to carry..... just a little. But, price sells these things.

He is not looking for a 1000 dollar gun.

http://www.bersafirearmsusa.com/detail_bersa380.php

[RIPSpawn]

well do you have your concealed lic????

Yeah, gotta rewnew that sucker soon!

[sigman roid]

This is what we carry in England...You feel lucky...lol

[terraj]

This is what we carry in England...You feel lucky...lol

The only guns I see in Japan are the ones attached to my shoulders, lol

[The Deuce]

Ok, so I have officially REALIZED that this website is GOING TO DRAIN MY BANK ACCOUNT REAL QUICK LIKE !!

Everyone always POSTS UP things about GUNS and since I happen to be a GUN NUT... for lack of a better term.. I have to rush out once I see something that I dont have that people are Raving about...

So, hahaha I just had to order the friggen BONDARMS Snake Slayer IV !!

Thanks ALOT SPYWIZARD!!! Hahahahahaha...

[NMacFar]

Glock and Glock only.

I carry a GLock 23, sub-compact .40 caliber. If you carry a gun, the whole intention is for protection, and being that Glocks don't have any safety buttons....

Your only safety is keeping one of the chamber

[oneshot]

for a conceal and carry, i wouldnt use anything other than small .380. can still get the job done in a small package and with such little recoil, you can rattle off rounds pretty damn quickly. i just helped my mom pick out a cheap .380 for home defense purposes since she lives alone. i took her out shooting with it, put about 200 rds through it without a single misfire or jam. it was even some off-brand that i had never heard of until then. got it for 300 bucks.

[thegodfather]

for a conceal and carry, i wouldnt use anything other than small .380. can still get the job done in a small package and with such little recoil, you can rattle off rounds pretty damn quickly. i just helped my mom pick out a cheap .380 for home defense purposes since she lives alone. i took her out shooting with it, put about 200 rds through it without a single misfire or jam. it was even some off-brand that i had never heard of until then. got it for 300 bucks.

You have to trust your life to a gun. I personally, would not trust my life, or my moms life to a $300 blue light special at the local gun shop. Leave those $300 burners on the shelves for gangbangers. With guns, like anything else, you get what you pay for. I personally stick to Sig Sauer and S&W when it comes to handguns. A handgun, IMO is not a good HOME defense weapon for someone who is new to firearms. My primary home defense weapon is the Mossberg 500. It is one of the best pump action shotguns made IMO, and it is reasonably priced with night sights and collapsible stock.

We can all sit on here for days and debate .380,9mm,10mm,.40,.45,.500,44mag...And then debate S/A,D/A,&Revolvers...However, it's a stupid argument because each one of those criteria has advantages and disadvantages.

[PistolPete33]

I think skill with the handgun is so much more important than caliber etc. Everyone argues about what caliber is needed etc. yet noone seems to argue that they need skill to actually shoot the gun under pressure, quickly and accurately.

Moral of the story is don't carry a gun unless you are proficient with it.

[marcus300]

Why do you need to carry a gun?

[zimmy]

lol always a brit with those anti gun questions

[marcus300]

lol always a brit with those anti gun questions

Its not anti anything, if you read the question properly i am asking "why do you need to carry a gun" lol

[fastwardo]

Why do you need to carry a gun?

Because it's hard to shoot someone without one!

[marcus300]

Because it's hard to shoot someone with a cell phone!

So your saying its thats dangerous?

[rockinred]

~Haz~

Damn, that's a purty piece right there.. I really dig revolvers

[fastwardo]

So your saying its thats dangerous?

Well, it's not like we all are faced with life and death situations every day. Some maybe more than others. Really, you can live 10 lifetimes and never actually need to use a gun to defend yourself or even take it out, but there is that one time where you may need to. It's just about the peace of mind you have by being prepared. The other night I was at a 24 hour laundromat washing clothes at 2am in the ghetto where I live, and a group of thugs came in, and I knew they were dealing drugs. Nobody said anything to me or tried to rob me or hurt me, but I felt a lot better knowing I had a loaded .38 in my belt.

[NMacFar]

Well, it's not like we all are faced with life and death situations every day. Some maybe more than others. Really, you can live 10 lifetimes and never actually need to use a gun to defend yourself or even take it out, but there is that one time where you may need to. It's just about the peace of mind you have by being prepared. The other night I was at a 24 hour laundromat washing clothes at 2am in the ghetto where I live, and a group of thugs came in, and I knew they were dealing drugs. Nobody said anything to me or tried to rob me or hurt me, but I felt a lot better knowing I had a loaded .38 in my belt.

Amen

[marcus300]

Well, it's not like we all are faced with life and death situations every day. Some maybe more than others. Really, you can live 10 lifetimes and never actually need to use a gun to defend yourself or even take it out, but there is that one time where you may need to. It's just about the peace of mind you have by being prepared. The other night I was at a 24 hour laundromat washing clothes at 2am in the ghetto where I live, and a group of thugs came in, and I knew they were dealing drugs. Nobody said anything to me or tried to rob me or hurt me, but I felt a lot better knowing I had a loaded .38 in my belt.

Thats fair enough if its thats dangerous but what does the law state if you shoot someone who was attacking you in your country?

[thegodfather]

Thats fair enough if its thats dangerous but what does the law state if you shoot someone who was attacking you in your country?

Every state varies in its law. The generally accepted rule for self-defense in MOST states is that if you 1. Are in a position that you fear for your life, or 2. Are in a position that you feel would result in grievous bodily harm, and/or 3. Protecting an innocent person from death and/or grievous bodily harm.

Then you are allowed to respond using deadly force. It does not specify a gun, but deadly force in any capacity. You are only allowed to respond with an amount of force great enough to stop the threat of death and/or grievous bodily harm. That means, for instance, if you shoot an attacker twice, and he stops his attack, and you continue you to shoot him, then you have violated the law.

There are states which are much more lenient however. For instance, in the state of Texas, deadly force can be used to protect personal property and against the act of trespassing. Meaning, while your life may not be in any danger, if someone is attempting to steal your car in your driveway, you have the right to use deadly force against them in the state of Texas.

Florida, has a no retreat doctrine that was just recently passed. This means, that if someone merely threatens you with death and/or grievous bodily harm, you have the right under Florida law, to repel such a threat with deadly force. Under the law, simply stating to someone "I"m going to slit your throat!..." could result in that person being justified in using deadly force against you. What that person would need to prove in court is, that you actually made that threat, and that they believed you were willing, intent, and capable of carrying it out.

[marcus300]

Every state varies in its law. The generally accepted rule for self-defense in MOST states is that if you 1. Are in a position that you fear for your life, or 2. Are in a position that you feel would result in grievous bodily harm, and/or 3. Protecting an innocent person from death and/or grievous bodily harm.

Then you are allowed to respond using deadly force. It does not specify a gun, but deadly force in any capacity. You are only allowed to respond with an amount of force great enough to stop the threat of death and/or grievous bodily harm. That means, for instance, if you shoot an attacker twice, and he stops his attack, and you continue you to shoot him, then you have violated the law.

There are states which are much more lenient however. For instance, in the state of Texas, deadly force can be used to protect personal property and against the act of trespassing. Meaning, while your life may not be in any danger, if someone is attempting to steal your car in your driveway, you have the right to use deadly force against them in the state of Texas.

Florida, has a no retreat doctrine that was just recently passed. This means, that if someone merely threatens you with death and/or grievous bodily harm, you have the right under Florida law, to repel such a threat with deadly force. Under the law, simply stating to someone "I"m going to slit your throat!..." could result in that person being justified in using deadly force against you. What that person would need to prove in court is, that you actually made that threat, and that they believed you were willing, intent, and capable of carrying it out.

woooow thanks for the insight, whats the law on carrying a gun around?

[thegodfather]

woooow thanks for the insight, whats the law on carrying a gun around?

38 of 50 states issue permits to conceal&carry handguns to anyone without a criminal record or mental illness background. That means that they cannot legally deny them a permit for any other reason, and the person does not have to show a "need" to have a conceal and carry permit.

A few other states issue conceal&carry permits but on a very strict basis, sometimes requiring people to show a legitimate need, or in certain states like Mass and New Jersey, almost strictly to law enforcements officers and very few others.

Interestingly enough, in many of the same states which require conceal and carry permits for handguns, no laws exist in those states which prevents any citizen from carrying a firearm openly displayed on the persons body, without a permit. That means for instance, that if a person is denied a conceal and carry permit in one of these states and did not feel like appealing it, they could simply carry the firearm openly in a holster and be completely within the laws of that state Virginia and Pennsylvania are two such states.

[marcus300]

38 of 50 states issue permits to conceal&carry handguns to anyone without a criminal record or mental illness background. That means that they cannot legally deny them a permit for any other reason, and the person does not have to show a "need" to have a conceal and carry permit.

A few other states issue conceal&carry permits but on a very strict basis, sometimes requiring people to show a legitimate need, or in certain states like Mass and New Jersey, almost strictly to law enforcements officers and very few others.

Interestingly enough, in many of the same states which require conceal and carry permits for handguns, no laws exist in those states which prevents any citizen from carrying a firearm openly displayed on the persons body, without a permit. That means for instance, that if a person is denied a conceal and carry permit in one of these states and did not feel like appealing it, they could simply carry the firearm openly in a holster and be completely within the laws of that state Virginia and Pennsylvania are two such states.

OMFG

Now i know, thanks

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Im soon to get a license.
Why do I want a gun? Well, Im a texan! lol

but really, with my schedule, I do a lot of late night driving/sometimes walking in nasty areas. I actually had two of my tires slashed not too long ago. Thankfully I wasn't in the car or I'd probably be dead. Also, there has been a new record of break ins in my neighborhood this year.


Sooooo, that is why.

price range is now 500-700 or so.

[PistolPete33]

I'm a Master Level competitive shooter and what most people don't understand about firearms is the sport aspect of them. MOST gunowners don't carry even 10% of the time and enjoy the sport or activity of just shooting.

Guns aren't only for self defense.

[DOM6]

Im soon to get a license.
Why do I want a gun? Well, Im a texan! lol

but really, with my schedule, I do a lot of late night driving/sometimes walking in nasty areas. I actually had two of my tires slashed not too long ago. Thankfully I wasn't in the car or I'd probably be dead. Also, there has been a new record of break ins in my neighborhood this year.


Sooooo, that is why.

price range is now 500-700 or so.

What kinda texan are you with out a gun, lol
you hear about that guy in texas Tom horne , redneck as they come that shoot the 2 black guys that broke into his neighbors house, the 911 tape was funny as hell, hes like " Im loading my shot gun now ima getem, its legal its legal, then he shhots them in the back, lol

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

What kinda texan are you with out a gun, lol
you hear about that guy in texas Tom horne , redneck as they come that shoot the 2 black guys that broke into his neighbors house, the 911 tape was funny as hell, hes like " Im loading my shot gun now ima getem, its legal its legal, then he shhots them in the back, lol

haha I know right!

That actually happened about 10 minutes from me. funny stuff

[thegodfather]

What kinda texan are you with out a gun, lol
you hear about that guy in texas Tom horne , redneck as they come that shoot the 2 black guys that broke into his neighbors house, the 911 tape was funny as hell, hes like " Im loading my shot gun now ima getem, its legal its legal, then he shhots them in the back, lol

Yea, his actions were completely illegal, even by Texas law. He was defending property that wasn't his, and as you can tell by the multiple GSW's to the back of both criminals, he wasn't defending anything because they were both running away. Oh well, I'm glad he didn't get charged but wouldn't advise anyone else to try anything close to that.

[fastwardo]

This is a great subject! Earlier this afternoon I got an email from my Girlfriends ex-boyfriend saying all this threatening stuff. She told me that he managed to hack into her email and he found emails I sent her, and I guess he hasn't gotten over her yet. Anyway, He is a very dangerous guy (trained UFC fighter, been arrested for carrying Illegal firearms, even been shot during a fight). Needless to say, I'm not going ANYWHERE without being armed to the teeth lol. I'm a classical musician, I don't need to break my hands on some a**holes face!

[terraj]

This is a great subject! Earlier this afternoon I got an email from my Girlfriends ex-boyfriend saying all this threatening stuff. She told me that he managed to hack into her email and he found emails I sent her, and I guess he hasn't gotten over her yet. Anyway, He is a very dangerous guy (trained UFC fighter, been arrested for carrying Illegal firearms, even been shot during a fight). Needless to say, I'm not going ANYWHERE without being armed to the teeth lol. I'm a classical musician, I don't need to break my hands on some a**holes face!

How you guys got an order against that prick...

[chicmagnet]

As an Australian this is hard for me to fathom, do you need a concealable weapon or do you want one??

[fastwardo]

As an Australian this is hard for me to fathom, do you need a concealable weapon or do you want one??

You only NEED a concealable weapon when you NEED one. Otherwise, carrying one is just for peace of mind. If there is some psycho out looking for you like in my case, you feel a heck of a lot better having one. Other than that, I don't usually carry a gun anywhere, unless I'm going someplace questionable. Here in the USA we have the right to arm ourselves and protect ourselves. It's one of the principals that America was founded on. 2nd amendment, part of the Bill OF Rights. That right can never be taken away.
So, since our government can't take our right to have guns away, they decided to make it a lot harder to get Ammo. The constitution doesn't say anything about the right to have Ammo, right? Ammo (at least here in PA) is a lot more expensive now and harder to get. Walmart has very little on the shelves now and a lot of times its sold out. It's a legal loophole some slimy politician came up with. Now, since Obama took office, gun sales have gone through the roof! People are worried that Obama is going to figure out how to make it really hard for us to be able to use guns.
So, at a local gun shop by where I live, when you walk in the door, there is a big picture with "salesman of the month" on it. It's a picture of President Obama!!! lol priceless

[thegodfather]

As an Australian this is hard for me to fathom, do you need a concealable weapon or do you want one??

Fathom this...

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Got robbed and almost killed

Good thing i have a hard head. I was beat with weights, never lost consciousness. And have all their information and where they work. Im tracking these guys down. The cops won't do shit. I have pics, they where not trying to just hurt me .... they where trying to kill, temples on both sides black and blue from weights in my own house. Jaw hurts like hell but i got a steal jaw. It was 2 guys 1 white 1 black. Im trying to go about it legally but this guy is at work right now and i just want to go give it to his bitch ass.

Sorry had to vent, if you wanna see pics ill post em but they are my face, so id rather pm. Man im in some pain i got a broke hand... got a couple licks in .. broke nose ****ed head, and a broken ankle. And I was supposed to get my gyno surgery wednesday.... now thatll be put off another week or 2......... ****!

Gun critics can say anything they want. When you are overpowered and facing multiple attackers with simple weapons, in this case weights, there is nothing you can do. Some points that everyone should take notice of in this story.

1. OP faced multiple attackers
2. Attackers were trying to KILL the OP
3. The attackers did NOT have guns(liberal media would lead you to believe all violent deaths occur by guns, MOST do not)
4. The police were NOWHERE TO BE FOUND, while this man was getting bludgeoned to near death.
5. A gun in the hand of the OP would have made this situation have a very different outcome, most likely.


So tell me what do you guys do in Australia(and England) when violent criminals break into your house with blunt objects and attempt to beat you to death? Do you call the police and pray that they get there before you have the life beaten out of you? What do weak and frail women and elderly people do when they are attacked by more powerful or multiple attackers? Crawl up and die?...................That sucks.

[fastwardo]

Bottom line- Even if guns were illegal here, criminals would STILL be able to get them. Any idiot with half a brain knows that a prohibition law doesn't prevent people from obtaining and using the items/substances that are illegal. It just suddenly makes the underground gun trading a much more lucrative business for gansters, and in turn heightens crime in the USA, AND, makes it virtually impossible for honest American Citizens from having a defense against said criminals.

[PistolPete33]

Actually, the ammo shortage is related to Obama taking office. So many gun owners have gone on a frenzy and stocking up on ammo because they don't know what the future is going to take away from us. When that started happening people go word that it was difficult to buy ammo and then other people went out and bought a ton of ammo. With all this paranoid ammo buying going on the demand has exceeded the supply and now it's almost impossible to get. I reload my own ammo (manufacture my own) and was shooting on average of 30,000 rounds/year. That being said it's near impossible to get Primers and I've had 20,000 primers on backorder for almost a year now.

[Tazwell]

XD subcompact is a perfect concealable weapon IMO. I would recomend the pierce extension, it makes it easier to handle the gun.
the XD subcompact has a trigger and grip safety, best of all it has an indicator that lets you know if a bullet is in the chamber.