Vitruvian's Steroid Profile of NPP (deca)

[Vitruvian-Man]

Hey I'm curious about something. Here's what I understand so far:

Durabolin = Nandrolone phenyl-propionate = NPP
Deca-Durabolin = Nandrolone decanoate

So "Durabolin" and "Deca-Durabolin" are the same steroid except they have different esters attached (in much the same way that Test Prop and Test Enan are the same steroid).

I understand that different esters results in different release times (i.e. longer esters take longer to release), but what I don't understand is how the same steroid with different esters attached can have a different effect?

For instance, you say that NPP causes less water retention. I'm curious about this... I mean both NPP and Deca get broken down to the same steroid, so it's the same steroid that's flowing through your blood and getting to your muscles.

People tend to say the same thing about Test Prop, i.e. they say that it causes less water retention than longer esters such as Test Enan. I'm curious how this could be so, because they both become Testosterone eventually.

I remember I started a thread on this a while back but I couldn't really get a definitive answer: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398073

wow bro! haha, that was an essay question

This is the basic rule:

The shorter the ester attached to the compound, the less water retention that will occur. All it means is just leaner gains, because long esters are associated with bloat.

The longer the ester (IE) test-E = more conversion to estrogen, and estrogen is what gives us bloat.

[amoureux]

Dear sir that made this thread how does this look

I'm running 200mg of npp 2 times a week in the cycle I listed starting yesterday

In this thread

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...41#post5307141

[crazy_rocks]

if someone were to do a cycle of npp and sust would it be dumb to use dbol with it?

[Knockout_Power]

Dear sir that made this thread how does this look

I'm running 200mg of npp 2 times a week in the cycle I listed starting yesterday

In this thread

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...41#post5307141

NPP is a really short ester, you need to pin it EOD at minimum.

[tronics]

good read bro...might add npp to my next cycle

[Monster87]

Very interesting, thanks for posting this!
I'm wondering how you would contrast NPP to eq? (seems like they also have a lot in common) I've had problems with the lateral and medial tendons in my elbows, and certainly could use a joint lubricator since i plan on running winny in my first cycle.

[PC650]

awesome read v-man,

[BennyLom]

A couple of questions:

1.) I want to use Nandrolone for it's joint supporting effects (I have pains in knees and shoulders) but what would be the lowest weekly dosage to support this need? The bulk of my cycle will be Test E.

2.) What are some pharma brands for NPP? I'm not interested in UGL's but not aware of the "real" product names for this ester.

[Vitruvian-Man]

I'm wondering how you would contrast NPP to eq? (seems like they also have a lot in common) I've had problems with the lateral and medial tendons in my elbows, and certainly could use a joint lubricator since i plan on running winny in my first cycle.

Well NPP and EQ are two completely different compounds. lol. Completely different. A 19-nor will never be comparable IMO...

Mmm... I wouldn't suggest running a Test/NPP/Winstrol cycle for your first. That's way too many compounds. Stick to just test for a first cycle.

A couple of questions:

1.) I want to use Nandrolone for it's joint supporting effects (I have pains in knees and shoulders) but what would be the lowest weekly dosage to support this need? The bulk of my cycle will be Test E.

200 - 250mg of NPP each week.

2.) What are some pharma brands for NPP? I'm not interested in UGL's but not aware of the "real" product names for this ester.

I'm unaware at the moment. But currently I do not believe anyone produces pharma grade NPP.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Bump for the NPP pm's I've been getting recently .. Hope all's going well boys!

[RANA]

Going well, on my 3rd week of prop/NPP

[Vitruvian-Man]

Going well, on my 3rd week of prop/NPP

Atta' boy. You should start seeing some quality strength gains around now IMO. Keep us all updated bro!

[tripmachine]

nice thread.... thanks for the info v man.. I just ordered 3 bottles of 150mg/ml and was going to run 1cc eod with my 600mg test e ew.... how's that sound? :]

[Vitruvian-Man]

nice thread.... thanks for the info v man.. I just ordered 3 bottles of 150mg/ml and was going to run 1cc eod with my 600mg test e ew.... how's that sound? :]

Thanks man.

you'll see some crazy gains at 600mg EW. IMO, it'll be much more potent in comparison to 600mg of deca. Expect some quality strength gains, and 10 - 15 pounds from the compound until secession.

Keep us updated.

[tripmachine]

Thanks man.

you'll see some crazy gains at 600mg EW. IMO, it'll be much more potent in comparison to 600mg of deca. Expect some quality strength gains, and 10 - 15 pounds from the compound until secession.

Keep us updated.

awesome!! I can't wait to get going on it! I should not see or feel any effects until week 3 is that right? Or am I mistaken and I might notice some a bit sooner like week 2? I will keep you posted on how I like it for sure.. :]

[Vitruvian-Man]

awesome!! I can't wait to get going on it! I should not see or feel any effects until week 3 is that right? Or am I mistaken and I might notice some a bit sooner like week 2? I will keep you posted on how I like it for sure.. :]

I notice the joint relief after 7 - 9 days. I begin to see noticeable gains after the second week. How long are you running the cycle for? And are you stacking it with any other compounds?

[RANA]

I notice the joint relief after 7 - 9 days. I begin to see noticeable gains after the second week. How long are you running the cycle for? And are you stacking it with any other compounds?

I have to admit I am pain free right now, I have not had that in years.

[tripmachine]

I am going to run the NPP for 10 weeks... I am currently running 600mg test e / week and 60mg dbol ed still in the first week of the dbol. I do have insulin on hand but I haven't used it yet so I'm a bit scared to start since I have no experience with it.... I also workout in the p.m. so I am scared to shoot slin after my workout since I hear I will need to be awake for 5-7 hours after I shoot it to make sure I am ok... for now I'm planning on just the dbol, test and npp

Next year I am HOPING to get on 4iu's ed of hgh as well as run a test/mast/tren cycle for presummer... we will see if $$ permits all of that. :]

[Vitruvian-Man]

Bump for the PM's adding up in my inbox

[kifenehma3ak]

how about test prop, npp and t bol and the end of the cycle instead of winny.??

[Vitruvian-Man]

how about test prop, npp and t bol and the end of the cycle instead of winny.??

I really don't know what you're trying to say here bro??? could you possibly reword it (or another member clarify perhaps??) lol.

Are you asking if you can substitute winstrol for a stack of prop/npp/t-bol???

[tripmachine]

how about dbol npp and test instead of methyl tren sometimes? is that ok?

[kifenehma3ak]

no u substitue the winny with the t-bol or anavar.

[Vitruvian-Man]

no u substitue the winny with the t-bol or anavar.

oh. haha! yah, if you were looking to harden up at the end of your cycle you could use anavar, in place of winstrol, and run the var @ 80 - 100mg ED (optimal dosage IMO... that is if you're trying to get similar "cut up / hardened" look that winny creates..)

[CHUCKYthentic]

why is this thread being bumped all the time? PPSHHH...nobody wants to run NPP...PPSHHH...LOL

***DISCLAIMER***
actually chucky really wants to run NPP and every time he sees this thread he gets too excited for his own good, damnit!

BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP

[xero]

Thanks, one of the more informative posts in recent times.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Bump for old times sake!

-VM

[Knockout_Power]

Its all a LIE!!! NPP sucks... stop your cycles and send all the rest of your NPP to me... PM me for my address and I will dispose of it in an enviromentally friendly manner...

[Vitruvian-Man]

... you're such a twit

-VM

[wormwood]

Great job. Question....why do you opt to inject EOD during bulking cycles and ED during cutting cycles?

[BJJ]

Interesting read, thanks for posting.

[Knockout_Power]

I just finished my 9 week cycle this week of Sust/NPP/Tren, results in the pictures section

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=441064

[Vitruvian-Man]

Dear sir that made this thread how does this look

I'm running 200mg of npp 2 times a week in the cycle I listed starting yesterday

I would try shooting the NPP each other day. (IE) 100mg/eod

if someone were to do a cycle of npp and sust would it be dumb to use dbol with it?

Not at all. Orals make for great additions. It's all dependent on your cycle experience though.

I just finished my 9 week cycle this week of Sust/NPP/Tren, results in the pictures section

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=441064

looking thick. good work

-VM

[AlphaMaleDawg]

hey VM, what do you think would be the optimal dose for someone who is using NPP for the first time? Like for test, it's 500mg, etc...

[Vitruvian-Man]

hey VM, what do you think would be the optimal dose for someone who is using NPP for the first time? Like for test, it's 500mg, etc...

450mg/wk.

Some people recommend a similar dose to a first go w/ Tren-Ace (IE) 300 - 350mg/wk.... however, what they don't realize is the tremendous amount of ester weight that phenylpropionate takes up.

Think of it this way =

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate: 63/100mg
Nandrolone Decanoate: 62/100mg

That's right people. One is a long ester, and one is considered a medium to short-length ester, yet they take up almost identical weight.

350mg/wk of NPP = ~220mg/wk of active Nandrolone

450/wk of NPP = ~285mg/wk of active nandrolone

-VM

[Knockout_Power]

hey VM, what do you think would be the optimal dose for someone who is using NPP for the first time? Like for test, it's 500mg, etc...

I just ran 450/wk and loved the results... next time around I will drop the tren and bump the NPP to 600

[crazy_rocks]

Not at all. Orals make for great additions. It's all dependent on your cycle experience though.


-VM

cool. just wondering if it was to much fast acting test. thought sides would be a little nasty.

[HawaiianPride.]

Haha, I was explaining to him the free equivalents in his other thread as well in regards to NPP's heavy ester weight.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Haha, I was explaining to him the free equivalents in his other thread as well in regards to NPP's heavy ester weight.

yep. thanks to you and VM for the info

[wolffish]

what about npp and women?! how virilising is it? could a chick run it by itself?

just asking to learn.. not planning to cycle yet.