time to get shredded! Test P/Tren A

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

here it is guys, my current diet. sometimes i eat a little more/less, my tdce is 3200 cals a day, but i work manual labor 8 hrs a day and i did factor that in when i was calculating my tdce but sometimes its a little slower at work and sometimes its busy as shit so i have to make up for lost calories or make up for sitting around.. also i follow this pretty religiously, but sometimes ill switch up a meal of chicken with some roast beef/london broil, usually in my before bed meal, but i always try to keep the macros perfect, or as close as i possibly can. im a freak when it comes to counting cals/measuring out my food...


630 am

8 egg whites, 1 scoop whey, 3/4 cup oats

p 54 c 40 f 5

930 am

8 oz chicken, 1 oz peanuts/almonds/cashews

p 60 c 6 f 22

1200 pm

2 cans of tuna, 2 tbsp flax

p 52 c 0 f 36

300 pm (pre wo)

8 oz chicken, 1 1/2 cups brown rice

p 58 c 49 f 9

6:30/7:00 pm (post wo)

8 egg whites, 1 scoop whey, 3/4 cup oats (sometimes ill just do 2 scoops of whey if im out of eggs)

p 54 c 40 f 5

9/10 pm before bed

8 oz chicken, 1 oz peanuts/almonds/cashews

p 60 c 6 f 22


total

p 338 c 141 f 99

2798 k calories

[Darksyde]

dam bro your jumping into some tren? well i hope all goes well, i will be following along with you but doubt i can offer much advice for this cycle. keep it up man dont let the haters get you down!

[mperk]

Hey man - coupla questions - you look great i can't really believe that you were ever a "fat Fuk" - LOL what was your weight, etc then? How long to get you like today?

Also why Arimidex and Prami? don't they do the same thing?

Thanks bro.

[PistolPete33]

I'm new to the entire gear game and am currently on my 5th week of my first ever cycle of Test C. Anyways, shouldn't people wait longer than 2 months between cycles?

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

I'm new to the entire gear game and am currently on my 5th week of my first ever cycle of Test C. Anyways, shouldn't people wait longer than 2 months between cycles?

it all depends on your cycle length, generally its said to wait time on cycle+ PCT time = time off, i should have got bloodwork done since i went back on a little early, but i didnt. i have my reasons for it and you can say its not justified or whatever, but honestly i feel as though i recovered, and plan on getting bloodwork after this cycle to make sure im within normal levels.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

dam bro your jumping into some tren? well i hope all goes well, i will be following along with you but doubt i can offer much advice for this cycle. keep it up man dont let the haters get you down!

yea thanks man im glad your following... im thinking this should be one hell of an interesting experience to say the least

Hey man - coupla questions - you look great i can't really believe that you were ever a "fat Fuk" - LOL what was your weight, etc then? How long to get you like today?

Also why Arimidex and Prami? don't they do the same thing?

Thanks bro.

hey thanks... well to answer your question the fattest i ever was if my memory serves me correctly was 5'10 and 230 pounds... not really OBESE, but pretty fat nonetheless... i lost about 20 pounds and kept it off for a while, i didnt really diet properly back then i knew nothing about it, but when i really got into all this stuff i was about 212-215 dont know bf% but i had pretty much no muscle to speak of. i started working out and doing cardio 20 mins after each workout 4/5 times a week and i gradually upped the cardio as i lost weight. in about 5 months i went from 215 to 167 and at that point i was probably about 10% bf i could see my abs without flexing them.. after that i naturally bulked up to 195ish and then cut back down to 180ish and then started my first cycle (test only) so on that cycle i bulked up to 222, then i cut down to 205 near the end of the cycle/after it was over... i cruised at maintenance calories for a while b/c i figured if i cut too much right after a cycle id prob lose to much of my gains, and that leaves me where i am now, trying to cut up on this cycle without losing my newfound muscle from my last cycle. sorry for the life story haha...

anyway prami is pramipexole, which is a dopamine agonist, basically it reduces prolactin b/c tren (and deca for that matter) are known to raise prolactin, and for some people it can cause gyno, not like excessive estrogen gyno, its different, your nipples leak if you squeeze them (yeaaa gross). i read a lot about prami and chose it for prolactin support over bromo/caber because its said to raise GH levels too, im only taking .25mg currently so i dont know how much good its doing at raising GH, but regardless it seems to be doing its job.

im sure you know what arimidex is for so yea theyre completely different.. and i probably wouldnt be running estrogen support without knowing i needed it, but my prop im using is from a synovex conversion, (kind of like tren pellets that you can get for your "cows") but it has synthetic estrogen in it also, so theres a whole method to remove the estrogen, but you really cant remove 100% of it, so to be on the safe side i figured id use some adex




day 7

really good workout today, legs felt pretty pumped after a few sets, calves especially.

[syd-bloke]

Outstanding results. Keep it up. once you around 10-12%bf, winny will be your best friend! lol

Good work dude.

[pick head]

Update?

[Jfew44]

Outstanding results. Keep it up. once you around 10-12%bf, winny will be your best friend! lol

Good work dude.

[nonotone]

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[Hunter-S-Thompson]

Outstanding results. Keep it up. once you around 10-12%bf, winny will be your best friend! lol

Good work dude.

thanks man, I won't b running winny though, I think I can get to where I want to be with what I have already...

???

I saw a post here saying that you should lower the tren dose and increase the prop dose because it will kill your sexdrive.. Just want to underline that the reason that you lose your sexdrive on tren is that if you do it by itself it stops your natural test production - low test -> low sexdrive, in other words; tren does not directly affect libido...

In my opinion, since this is a cutting cycle, if you don't experience any sides you should increase your tren dose to 700 mg per week - 100 mg per day, and lower the prop dosage to 350 mg (still way more than your natural production).

Also, eating a low calorie diet on this cycle you will definitively drop a good amount of fat AND gain a good amount of muscle READ: IF YOU STICK TO YOUR DIET 100%.
The danger here is that you have problems on sticking to your diet because of the appetite increase that tren and prop (!) causes. This will be a test of you discipline...

To sum it up:
- 350 mg/week prop
- 700 mg/week tren a
- 25-50 mcg t3 + 2 weeks on 2 weeks of clen
- Follow the diet you posted to a tee!
- Follow the training schedule you posted to a tee
- 45 mins cardio 4-5 times per week

Do this and I can guarantee you that it will completely transform your body
Good luck!

thanks for the advice, gotta love all the conflicting info out there haha.. idk if I'll go up that high with the tren, maybe I'll do 75/day I'm not sure yet. I know one thing, I WILL be following my diet very strictly, and I've been doing cardio even more then what I planned to do. I can't wait to see some real changes in my physique.


as for updates, couldn't make it to the gym on the weekend, it was my bday on sat, still managed some morning cardio on Sunday tho.. latert today I'll do chest/abs. will update later

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

ok all i can say is WOW... strength was awsome today.. feels like its finally starting to kick in.. cant wait to get to the gym tomorrow.. did 40 mins cardio after my chest/abs workout, ive been doing 40 minutes everyday so far

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

quick update, strength climbing in almost every excersize, i think i might be holding some water though which im not too happy about.. im gonna try the sauna tomorrow ive never done it before, i know if i lose some water it'll soon come back but i want to see if im retaining anything..

i dropped the pramipexole, i cant stand that shit. makes me drowsy as hell and the next day im lethargic all day. i still have it just in case i need it though.

i also changed up my diet some, i dropped a few cals and im gonna eat a lot more veggies throughout the day, maybe ill post the revised diet up but its really not too different then the one i already posted.

[ranging1]

I saw a post here saying that you should lower the tren dose and increase the prop dose because it will kill your sexdrive.. Just want to underline that the reason that you lose your sexdrive on tren is that if you do it by itself it stops your natural test production - low test -> low sexdrive, in other words; tren does not directly affect libido...

In my opinion, since this is a cutting cycle, if you don't experience any sides you should increase your tren dose to 700 mg per week - 100 mg per day, and lower the prop dosage to 350 mg (still way more than your natural production).

Also, eating a low calorie diet on this cycle you will definitively drop a good amount of fat AND gain a good amount of muscle READ: IF YOU STICK TO YOUR DIET 100%.
The danger here is that you have problems on sticking to your diet because of the appetite increase that tren and prop (!) causes. This will be a test of your discipline...

To sum it up:
- 350 mg/week prop
- 700 mg/week tren a
- 25-50 mcg t3 + 2 weeks on 2 weeks of clen
- Follow the diet you posted to a tee!
- Follow the training schedule you posted to a tee
- 45 mins cardio 4-5 times per week

Do this and I can guarantee you that it will completely transform your body
Good luck!

sorry to sayi but DONT LISTEN TO HIM

i think advicing 700mg of tren for a second cycle is abit much, ESPECIALLY combining prop, thatll equal 1050mg a week, thats over 1 gram of anabolics for a second cycle thats only leaning, worse ur running tren which i would consider one of the most powerful anabolics

sorry but adving that much tren for a second cycle thats goal is lenaing is just a bad idea, and i think most people would agree with me on that

stick to what ur dosing at already, thats more then enough

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

Good Luck On the cycle man. What are your goals?

thanks, my goal is to cut to 8/10% bf

sorry to sayi but DONT LISTEN TO HIM

i think advicing 700mg of tren for a second cycle is abit much, ESPECIALLY combining prop, thatll equal 1050mg a week, thats over 1 gram of anabolics for a second cycle thats only leaning, worse ur running tren which i would consider one of the most powerful anabolics

sorry but adving that much tren for a second cycle thats goal is lenaing is just a bad idea, and i think most people would agree with me on that

stick to what ur dosing at already, thats more then enough

yea I know, I can't go that high especially on my first run with it, even if it would help me cut more to go higher, I don't want to deal with the sides that'll cone along with it. plus, 100/day is ABOUT the highest most people go with it, so if I did that on my first run with it, what do I do if I decide to run it again

[AD1]

Good Luck On the cycle man. What are your goals?

[nonotone]

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[Hunter-S-Thompson]

maybe your right, I dunno.. I'll see what I feel like for a while. I upped the tren to 75/day so 525 a week and 350/week of test, Ill see how this works out and up/lower the dose as needed

[peteroy01]

more pics

[AlphaMaleDawg]

op just ignore the haters bro. I'll be following this as Im considering a similar cycle in the future

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

more pics

no real change in body comp yet, ill post pics sometime soon dont worry

op just ignore the haters bro. I'll be following this as Im considering a similar cycle in the future

yea true, im not worried about it lol.. and thanks im glad your following man

[ranging1]

sorry off topic but ranging1 you posted some suggestions in my cycle log to lower my sets per bodypart, i took that advice and i started losing strength, ive tried it before too and the same thing happened, i started losing strength.. i dont know, maybe my body just needs those few extra sets? or maybe its so used to it and my strength will go down for a while but then it will be ok again once i adjust? what do you think? you can respond to this in my cycle log if you want, sorry to the OP for hijacking your thread..

^^^^^ from ur other thread

u cannot loose strength by dropping volume (to a point), muscle takes 24hours of no stimulation of a muscle fiber before it begins to naturally breakdown

when i mean no stimulation, i litterally mean lying in bed for 24 hours not moving, raising ur arm, walking etc all stimulate ur muscle fibers

when i talk about naturally breaking down, i talk about the process when the body recognises it doesnt need the muscle mass and therefore breaks it down, this occours slowly becuase muscle are generally constantly stimulated, therefore they breakdown slowly

IM NOT talking about catabolism, muscle tissue damage, fiber damage etc, these are all caused by other factors such as dieting, weight training, cardio, etc

generally we prevent this by training (which stimulates muscle fibers) and providing a high calorie diet

u stated before that ur strength went down? this can be short term, u wont loose strength is u go from doing 12 sets, to 9 sets within a week, (if ur diet and training are in check), if ur looosing strength that doesnt mean ur loosing muscle mass, 9 sets is more then enough to stimualte growth

personally like i said i dont train anywhere near that amount of sets and i grow fine, BUT everyone is different and ur body may respond to higher volume BUT u shouldnt loose strength by switching to lower volume

if u are able to stimulate growth in a training session, then u should come back stronger or equaly as strong the following workout

stimulating growth isnt always easy, since the body responds differently all the time

however ive seen ur workouts and 15 sets for biceps or triceps is generally WAY TO MUCH, i dont really know anyone who has a great set of arms from doing that many sets, maybe a pro bodybuilder on 4 grams of gear, but not anyone who runs half a gram like urself

and sorry to be critical but judging from ur pics, 15 sets doesnt work for u, u may think it does but it really doesnt seem like it does, if it did work ud have a larger amount of muscle mass

sorry if that being critical, BUT personaly i think u need to reasess what works for u, im NOT saying drop ur sets to my level, what im suggesting is u need to revalute what works for u, everyone responds differently

Priovate message me if u want talk about it, since i dont always read ur log or threads, it just makes it easier for the both of us

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

sorry off topic but ranging1 you posted some suggestions in my cycle log to lower my sets per bodypart, i took that advice and i started losing strength, ive tried it before too and the same thing happened, i started losing strength.. i dont know, maybe my body just needs those few extra sets? or maybe its so used to it and my strength will go down for a while but then it will be ok again once i adjust? what do you think? you can respond to this in my cycle log if you want, sorry to the OP for hijacking your thread..

^^^^^ from ur other thread

u cannot loose strength by dropping volume (to a point), muscle takes 24hours of no stimulation of a muscle fiber before it begins to naturally breakdown

when i mean no stimulation, i litterally mean lying in bed for 24 hours not moving, raising ur arm, walking etc all stimulate ur muscle fibers

when i talk about naturally breaking down, i talk about the process when the body recognises it doesnt need the muscle mass and therefore breaks it down, this occours slowly becuase muscle are generally constantly stimulated, therefore they breakdown slowly

IM NOT talking about catabolism, muscle tissue damage, fiber damage etc, these are all caused by other factors such as dieting, weight training, cardio, etc

generally we prevent this by training (which stimulates muscle fibers) and providing a high calorie diet

u stated before that ur strength went down? this can be short term, u wont loose strength is u go from doing 12 sets, to 9 sets within a week, (if ur diet and training are in check), if ur looosing strength that doesnt mean ur loosing muscle mass, 9 sets is more then enough to stimualte growth

personally like i said i dont train anywhere near that amount of sets and i grow fine, BUT everyone is different and ur body may respond to higher volume BUT u shouldnt loose strength by switching to lower volume

if u are able to stimulate growth in a training session, then u should come back stronger or equaly as strong the following workout

stimulating growth isnt always easy, since the body responds differently all the time

however ive seen ur workouts and 15 sets for biceps or triceps is generally WAY TO MUCH, i dont really know anyone who has a great set of arms from doing that many sets, maybe a pro bodybuilder on 4 grams of gear, but not anyone who runs half a gram like urself

and sorry to be critical but judging from ur pics, 15 sets doesnt work for u, u may think it does but it really doesnt seem like it does, if it did work ud have a larger amount of muscle mass

sorry if that being critical, BUT personaly i think u need to reasess what works for u, im NOT saying drop ur sets to my level, what im suggesting is u need to revalute what works for u, everyone responds differently

Priovate message me if u want talk about it, since i dont always read ur log or threads, it just makes it easier for the both of us

i know what your saying, and i never do 15 sets for bi's/tri's unless your counting my warmup sets, i dunno. maybe ill try to stick to what your saying and drop the volume but its just so hard b/c i always feel like i havent done enough, even if i go all out every set, when im done i feel like i could do so much more.. either way, ill stick to lower volume for a while and see how things work out.




day 17

no workout yesterday or today, just did cardio both days. today i did cardio on an empty stomach in the morning, sundays the only day i can do morning cardio. i realized how much better my chest workout went last week when i changed it from sunday to monday, probably because i always do my sunday workout in the morning, i have NO energy. there was a HUGE difference when i did chest on monday. i know some of the strength gain was from the test/tren obviously, but i think im gonna start taking off sat/sun and lifting mon-friday and see how i like it.

im about to prepare my hcg, and take my first shot. hopefully all goes well.

[Gaspari1255]

Even though we have had our differences, I am glad the cycle is working out well for you. Tren in some cases, will give you strength gains even when you lose weight- pretty interesting compound.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

Even though we have had our differences, I am glad the cycle is working out well for you. Tren in some cases, will give you strength gains even when you lose weight- pretty interesting compound.

yea no big deal, and thanks, thats pretty much whats going on right now... strength is climbing FASTER then it was when i was bulking on test, and im dieting HARD and doing cardio ED... its going great so far.. couldnt ask for more.. i doubt this strength rise will continue like it is right now, itll level off soon, maybe even decline on while im still on cycle, who knows... as long as i can cut down BF to my goal, im happy.

day 19

strength still on the rise, feel like a monster in the gym, like i could do anything.. still doing cardio 40 mins post workout ED.. sitting at 207 today, much stronger then i was on the start of the cycle, and def leaner. not a HUGE difference in BF% yet, but noticeable.. slow and steady slow and steady...

[Gaspari1255]

yea no big deal, and thanks, thats pretty much whats going on right now... strength is climbing FASTER then it was when i was bulking on test, and im dieting HARD and doing cardio ED... its going great so far.. couldnt ask for more.. i doubt this strength rise will continue like it is right now, itll level off soon, maybe even decline on while im still on cycle, who knows... as long as i can cut down BF to my goal, im happy.

day 19

strength still on the rise, feel like a monster in the gym, like i could do anything.. still doing cardio 40 mins post workout ED.. sitting at 207 today, much stronger then i was on the start of the cycle, and def leaner. not a HUGE difference in BF% yet, but noticeable.. slow and steady slow and steady...

Just keep pushing yourself. I never thought it was possible to gain strength while cutting until I did this summer (Tren a/Test Cyp/Superdrol). The strength isn't gonna be crazy but its possible to see some progress.

[energizer bunny]

OP........good luck on the cycle.....cant give any advice on the tren as ive never used it.......

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

is that you in your avatar? you were trying to tell opuck here hes not ready for gear but you are? thats funny.

My thoughts exactly. This thread's full of haters....crazy. Never seen anything like it.
OP-Good luck man and i'll be checking in on you from time to time. If you need to ask any questions from a person that's been using tren for 7 years, just let me know. I'll be glad to help if i can.
How are your injections with that prop going?
Good luck man.

thanks for following, if i need any guidence ill come to you... the prop is going great! i finished my test cyp cycle with prop and it SUCKED.. the pain was horrible.. but i made my own prop this time, i made it at 50mg/ml and used about 5% ba 35%bb and its PAINLESS... absolutely awsome

6'3" 250lbs at 15.5% bf.....what are your stats? Since your 13 years older than me, I am really curious if you weigh as much as me....please share.

You've been taking Tren for 7 years and you weigh 235lbs at 6'0"????????...Yeah, um, you are not one to talk either.

wtf come on guys i leave for 5 minutes and this shit starts up again lol... chill chill its all good no more fighting!

OP........good luck on the cycle.....cant give any advice on the tren as ive never used it.......

thanks man


ive been getting some shitty ass sleep the past few days, just having a hard time falling asleep.. my workouts have suffered a bit from it, strength hasnt really gone up for a few days but its ok this isnt a strength cycle anyway... my back is starting to get pretty oily... as is my face... eeeh

[Gaspari1255]

ive been getting some shitty ass sleep the past few days, just having a hard time falling asleep.. my workouts have suffered a bit from it, strength hasnt really gone up for a few days but its ok this isnt a strength cycle anyway... my back is starting to get pretty oily... as is my face... eeeh

The sleep becomes a bitch. Are you getting retarded nightmares too or just a hard time sleeping? I had both.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

The sleep becomes a bitch. Are you getting retarded nightmares too or just a hard time sleeping? I had both.

oh yea but ive been getting those since day ONE but it wasnt hard to sleep.. now its hard to sleep and when i do i have such vivid intense dreams its crazy

[mperk]

Hey man - I just started the same cycle a week ago - not sure what I think yet. Def got the weird dreams - no sweats or cough yet.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

Hey man - I just started the same cycle a week ago - not sure what I think yet. Def got the weird dreams - no sweats or cough yet.

good luck man.. yea I haven't got the cough/night sweats either yet, spfar sides have been minimal, just starting my fourth week. keep me updated on how your cycles goin... what are you aiming for? cut /bulk /lean bulk/ recomp?

[mperk]

good luck man.. yea I haven't got the cough/night sweats either yet, spfar sides have been minimal, just starting my fourth week. keep me updated on how your cycles goin... what are you aiming for? cut /bulk /lean bulk/ recomp?

i'm going for lean bulk/recomp and will do a cut afterwards. i'll be on TRT after this cycle so should be able to keep my muscle gains. The major bummer I have now is some tennis elbow which prevents me from going balls to the wall w/ upper body. But it's a great opportunity to get my legs in shape!

[tembe]

are u experiencing anything like hair loss or anything?

[manwitplans]

How is it going man?
Give is an update!

[mperk]

Dude - how is the cycle going? I like feeling like a beast but def fighting some Fina Dick. Plus the sleep think is totally wierd - I got 10 hours last night but woke up like 6 times with wierd as Fuk dreams!

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

are u experiencing anything like hair loss or anything?

nope no hair loss at all (yet anyway)

How is it going man?
Give is an update!

Dude - how is the cycle going? I like feeling like a beast but def fighting some Fina Dick. Plus the sleep think is totally wierd - I got 10 hours last night but woke up like 6 times with wierd as Fuk dreams!

yea same here... i had sex the other night and couldnt get it up full throttle... still fukked the crap outta her haha i think i enjoyed it more than usual.. just embarrassing tho.. def got some fina dick issues

sorry for not updating for a few days, ive been sick so i havent gone to the gym since last friday.. my diet suffered since i didnt really get out of bed so i didnt go food shopping or make food.. got back in today though.. did chest/abs, strength up from last chest/abs workout.. my forearms and triceps were BULGING they felt like they were gonna burst they were so pumped.. awesome feeling. back in the swing of things. feels good

[sportfan33]

dang what kind of dreams?

[mperk]

dang what kind of dreams?

Dang - i wish i could remember them - it's like the ones where you are naked and you're being chased by someone - shit like that. i had one where I was begging someone for work (I'll admit the economy is weighing on my mind atm, being self employed)

but no goddam erotic dreams - even if I look at porn before bed - THAT's a bummer!

[stang]

good cycle