80 yr old marries an 11yr old in saudi arabia

[Bojangles69]

I respectfully disagree. (you snuck in before me pharm I'm not addressing you ftr)

I think we can police the nation, and we should. And if people don't like it, we fight to the death and the strongest survives.
Thats the way its ALWAYS been on this planet, and thats the way it always will be.

I don't care who calls me ignorant, or if we come off like bullies. This bypasses all religion and addresses the core of what is to be a HUMAN. When you are that young, you biologically have no purpose getting married, its sick and they all need to die.

Getting more and more sick of the "US are bullies" bs, I'd gladly drop a nuke on that entire country. This has nothing to do with customs or morals, it has to do with being a sane and responsible human being. If they're gonna use religion to disgrace the planet I live on, I will help rid them from this planet, in anyway possible, and not feel a shred of guilt about it. Even their own fvckning people know its wrong. If they can't control themselves, we'll do it for them.

[FranciscoG]

^^^Let me guess you have never fought in a war. And yes, it does count.

More over, you can not fight in a war, can you? Why is it the guys that never can fight or have not fought are always the hawks?

[Mooseman33]

^^^ meaning ur first one PharmDoc-Cyrus
this is the dumbest post i have ever read on this site..
comparing thomas jefferson and slaves to what is going on today in 2010 is just plain stupid.
hell, ur whole post is bad..

if u do not see a problem with an 11 year old girl being forced to marry an 80 yr old man, well then i guess i understand why ur post is that bad....

[Mooseman33]

I respectfully disagree. (you snuck in before me pharm I'm not addressing you ftr)

I think we can police the nation, and we should. And if people don't like it, we fight to the death and the strongest survives.
Thats the way its ALWAYS been on this planet, and thats the way it always will be.

I don't care who calls me ignorant, or if we come off like bullies. This bypasses all religion and addresses the core of what is to be a HUMAN. When you are that young, you biologically have no purpose getting married, its sick and they all need to die.

Getting more and more sick of the "US are bullies" bs, I'd gladly drop a nuke on that entire country. This has nothing to do with customs or morals, it has to do with being a sane and responsible human being. If they're gonna use religion to disgrace the planet I live on, I will help rid them from this planet, in anyway possible, and not feel a shred of guilt about it. Even their own fvckning people know its wrong. If they can't control themselves, we'll do it for them.

Amen brother BO.....

preach my brother.....

[PistolStarta]

you're comparing 16 with parents permission and the girls wishes, to an 11 year old being sold for money by her parents and not wanting it at all.

Fair. Also, this isn't 100 years ago so we'll leave what Thomas Jefferson did to the white wig wearers.

[PistolStarta]

lol everyone was all over that post

[FranciscoG]

^^^ meaning ur first one PharmDoc-Cyrus
this is the dumbest post i have ever read on this site..
comparing thomas jefferson and slaves to what is going on today in 2010 is just plain stupid.
hell, ur whole post is bad..

if u do not see a problem with an 11 year old girl being forced to marry an 80 yr old man, well then i guess i understand why ur post is that bad....

Well then set me right.

Why is it the child white slavery is not never an issue here but all the sudden this is?

Why is it that this issue of an 11 year-old is looked at any different than any other unage rape?

Of course I do see a problem with any child being forced into anything, but it seams that it just gets much more attention when its a muslim.

And of course, we end up with statements like ´ohhh lets just nuke them all´

[Bojangles69]

^^^Let me guess you have never fought in a war. And yes, it does count.

More over, you can not fight in a war, can you? Why is it the guys that never can fight or have not fought are always the hawks?

What is your point you idiot?

Your using our founding fathers to justify raping an 11 yr old old girl? You are a sick pos. I'm SURE you've faught a war because you seem to be sympathetic with someone raping children, and you prob raped your own share of children in whatever ***** war you fought.

I'm living in a war everyday in NJ, its called the war on drugs douchebag. We don't fight it with guns and grenades, but people are dying every day you. And you have the nerve to make a statment "you can not fight in a war", I've lost more friends to the war on drugs then any other war going on in this world. WAR is a word that describes more predicaments then you think. We have wars going on all over the US, and theres a lot more people fighthing them then soldiers. Open your mind and use your brain, you sound like a moron.

[PistolStarta]

ok, site specific examples of white children sold into slavery currently.

Because when you're 11 you're in what grade like 5th? a 16 year old is in High School and has at least had a freaking period, can decide what they want, and isnt being used as a bartering tool (its not rape when consensual if you forgot, however can an 11 year old consent? )

[Mooseman33]

i dont know, maybe because muslims have been trying to kill americans at such a high rate over the last decade.
maybe becuase every single attack on the us in the last 5-10 years has come from a muslim.

anytime muslims are brought up it has some bullshit ending to the story...
not all muslims are terrorsits, but all the terrorists that have attacked/ tried to attack the us in last 5-10 years have been muslim..

so please spare me the "muslim" defense...there is no defense for such a evil thing as that thing they call their religion...

[FranciscoG]

What is your point you idiot? The point is that you dont know shit when it comes to killing and death in a war, that why cock suckers like you vote for wars but other end up dead cause you are never the ones fighting

Your using our founding fathers to justify raping an 11 yr old old girl? No I did not, never stated it justified shit you idiot go read the post You are a sick pos. I'm SURE you've faught a war because you seem to be sympathetic with someone raping children, and you prob raped your own share of children in whatever ***** war you fought. You dont know dick about me, ignorance is exactly why you are posting what you are posting

I'm living in a war everyday in NJ, its called the war on drugs douchebag. We don't fight it with guns and grenades, but people are dying every day you idiot. And you have the nerve to make a statment "you can not fight in a war". I make the statement because its true, You are a felon and you CAN NOT FIGHT, THAT IS EXACTLY WHY OTHERS HAVE TO DO IT FOR YOU

WAR is a word that describes more predicaments then you think. We have wars going on all over the US, and theres a lot more people fighthing them then soldiers. Open your mind and use your brain, you sound like a moron.
really that justifies starting a war with another country WOW THAT REALLY MAKES SINCE

Hell you can´t even vote can you. And yes I still do, I still send in my ballet from Mexico.

[PistolStarta]

waiting for good references on white kids sold into slavery....

[Mooseman33]

waiting to hear some BS muslim defense...

[FranciscoG]

i dont know, maybe because muslims have been trying to kill americans at such a high rate over the last decade.
maybe becuase every single attack on the us in the last 5-10 years has come from a muslim.

anytime muslims are brought up it has some bullshit ending to the story...
not all muslims are terrorsits, but all the terrorists that have attacked/ tried to attack the us in last 5-10 years have been muslim..

so please spare me the "muslim" defense...there is no defense for such a evil thing as that thing they call their religion...

That is probably one of the best-most honest-most correct posts I have read.

I don´t agree with the religion, I am born and bread in a southern church. As far as I am concerned I could care less what they do. I seen the world many times over and done enough for many life times. Every time the hate language starts and I see some of my boys that have come back in a wodden box I have an issue with that.

[FranciscoG]

waiting for good references on white kids sold into slavery....

white slavery does not mean white children sold into slavery.

If you want stats on how many kids are abducted or sold into prostitution google it.

[Flagg]

ur so anti-the west.....
u asked me to be truthful a while back about my feelings towards muslims, and i did..
i wish u would be truthful about ur hate of the west....

Look Moose, you already cross examined me during The Interview thread. I think it was you that asked if I hated America of which I don't and answered truthfuly.

I think the beef you have here is that all you care about is "white christian America" if you really want to get down to the nitty gritty. What the Hell has your accusation got to do with anything? Do you even know anything about Abraham? The nature of this thread is a classic example of how shit religion can get.

DID I SAY ONCE ANYTHING ABOUT HATING THE WEST?

You know I didn't so stop trying to get a fvcking bee in your fvcking bonnet. Why dont you go ahead and make your thread about people you dislike? You sound like a very bitter old man right now.

[Flagg]

Why lump all three together?

Why not just criticize those who believe in Allah and follow the Qur'an?

Certainly both Judaism and Christianity (both Abrahamic religions) wouldn't approve of this union.

Yeah I get a bit heated when it comes to religious doctrine and what is supposedly right. I think we can all agree, no matter how many differing beliefs we have with each how messed up that whole this is and im the first to admit that I can have a zealous attitude towards religion, but prehaps lumping them into one is apt here.

I go on about how this is an example of how religion is warped and Moose is accusing me of Hating the West. Where the Hell did he get that assertation? However, if I had said "See a prime example of how effed up ISLAM IS" I 100% guarantee he'd have agreed with me. People here are Jewish, Christian and Islamic so prehaps I should moderate my opinions a little better out of respect, but I hate how it seems okay to hate on one aspect of religion and in so many words (not by you by the way) be "unpatriotic" for daring to compare a Western religion to a Middle Eastern one.

I personally have a great disdain for ALL THE ABRAHAMIC religions, hence why I lumped them all together.

[Bojangles69]

Originally Posted by Bojangles69
The point is that you dont know shit when it comes to killing and death in a war, that why cock suckers like you vote for wars but other end up dead cause you are never the ones fighting

OMG killing someone doesn't make you tough numbnuts. What the fvck am **I** gonna learn by putting a gun to someones head and pulling the trigger? That killing isn't fun? No shit. The sad thing is you're the type of person that has to be put in that circumstance before you can realize that. I'm smart enough to understand that fact beforehand, and you're not. Thats the only thing you just proved genius.

You dont know dick about me, ignorance is exactly why you are posting what you are posting

I know enough about you to know you don't know a lot of anything. You're trying to make people believe that something magical happens when you kill someone in war. I'm telling you NOTHING happens that is different from what the avg human being endures through out the course of their life. Rape, death, murder, we are ALL exposed to it EVERYDAY we are alive. You seem to think a war is the only way we can become tough, and THAT makes you extremely stupid. If you actually had some of your own problems in life, you'd be smart enough to realize the war in your homeland is more worth fighting then for wtf the soliders are doing right now. Nothing is being accomplished, and you for some reason think thats where all the "smart" people are? Or the "strong" people? I have news for you, you're wrong.

I make the statement because its true, You are a felon and you CAN NOT FIGHT, THAT IS EXACTLY WHY OTHERS HAVE TO DO IT FOR YOU

I don't WANT to fight a war that has NO PURPOSE dipshit. You're about to get me in trouble. If you wanna get down to the nitty gritty, anyone over there right now is about as bright as you are. They are fighting a war that has no purpose. It is saving NOONE and doing NOTHING. They are not HEROS. They are slaves to their own closed minds, the same exact way YOU ARE.
And the fact I am a felon, just means I can defend myself that much better you idiot.

WOW THAT REALLY MAKES SINCE

I'm rather surpised anything I said to you makes "since" lmao

Hell you can´t even vote can you. And yes I still do, I still send in my ballet from Mexico.

Great & you don't know a g/damn thing about law either.
You can vote 1 year after your off parole. I was off parole years ago, thus I can vote same as you.
The only difference is, you won't see me fighting a war for SOMEONE ELSE. I'll stay in my own town, and try to fix the wealth of problems we have going on here, that are much REALER and much more tangible. Go get yourself killed over oil and call yourself a "hero", you're still an idiot. And I'll still be in my homestate trying to make things better where it matters.

Instead of sending a ballot to mexico, why not just move there? Seriously? All of our founding fathers are rapists, why would you wanna live here anyway?

oh wait.. ding ding ding! cause your dumb.

[FranciscoG]

OMG killing someone doesn't make you tough numbnuts. What the fvck am **I** gonna learn by putting a gun to someones head and pulling the trigger? That killing isn't fun? No shit. The sad thing is you're the type of person that has to be put in that circumstance before you can realize that. I'm smart enough to understand that fact beforehand, and you're not. Thats the only thing you just proved genius.
bascially you have no idea what happens when you send in booths on the ground do you, WTF do you think happens in a war you idiot, oh I forgot you dont know. Let me sum it up people die and people pull triggers and wooden boxes with little notes come back home. But, that is something you can only vote for not actually do


I know enough about you to know you don't know a lot of anything. You're trying to make people believe that something magical happens when you kill someone in war. I'm telling you NOTHING happens that is different from what the avg human being endures through out the course of their life.

You put the F in the Ucking Stupid

Rape, death, murder, we are ALL exposed to it EVERYDAY we are alive. You seem to think a war is the only way we can become tough, and THAT makes you extremely stupid.

That has nothing to do with what I wrote

If you actually had some of your own problems in life, you'd be smart enough to realize the war in your homeland is more worth fighting then for wtf the soliders are doing right now. Nothing is being accomplished, and you for some reason think thats where all the "smart" people are? Or the "strong" people? I have news for you, you're wrong.
Really and the point you are making about starting some new shit is?


I don't WANT to fight a war that has NO PURPOSE dipshit. You're about to get me in trouble. If you wanna get down to the nitty gritty, anyone over there right now is about as bright as you are. They are fighting a war that has no purpose. It is saving NOONE and doing NOTHING. They are not HEROS. They are slaves to their own closed minds, the same exact way YOU ARE.

what the hell do you know about where all I been or what I am doing here

And the fact I am a felon, just means I can defend myself that much better you idiot.



I'm rather surpised anything I said to you makes "since" lmao

Your grammmeresas is great also

Great & you don't know a g/damn thing about law either.
You can vote 1 year after your off parole. I was off parole years ago, thus I can vote same as you.
Great I feel safer already

The only difference is, you won't see me fighting a war for SOMEONE ELSE.
Yeap that is pretty much the point some other mofo has to fight for you

I'll stay in my own town, and try to fix the wealth of problems we have going on here, that are much REALER and much more tangible. Go get yourself killed over oil and call yourself a "hero", you're still an idiot. And I'll still be in my homestate trying to make things better where it matters.

again that is pretty much the point, you just go vote for it and it pretty much stops there

Instead of sending a ballot to mexico, why not just move there? Seriously? All of our founding fathers are rapists, why would you wanna live here anyway?

You dont know what the words from and to mean do you. Sending in a ballet from mexico, means I voted in the US

oh wait.. ding ding ding! cause your dumb.

Din ding ding, prison edu-imina-cation did not word too well did it. Yeah I did move to Mexico. Can you read the location on my member info. Wait no need to read just post long ass novels filled with crap.

[Flagg]

The tragedy of all of this is when there is no more oil in the Middle East and Jerusalem ceases to exist, stories like this will stop appearing in the news.

[FranciscoG]

^^ Pretty much. You never see anyone wanting to start a few wars in Africa to stop the whatever social or religious issue.

[Bojangles69]

Din ding ding, prison edu-imina-cation did not word too well did it. Yeah I did move to Mexico. Can you read the location on my member info. Wait no need to read just post long ass novels filled with crap.

I didn't read your location because I don't care where you are located, I just cared that you weren't in America. But you made me much happier now thanks.

The unfortunate fact here is that you are just an idiot.
You have made bold uneducated remarks since you first got in this thread.

And demonstrated to so many people what a coward and close minded douchebag you are. Go get yourself killed to make someone elses wallet fatter you dumb shit. The reason I'm not fighting in this war, is because its being fought for someone else. And I don't believe in war, I just believe in killing people who need to die.
Also, quit agreeing with people just in hopes that they will come back and agree with you about something in return. Thats what simple minds do. You made one of the dumbest statements in the world, then started agreeing with people afterwards in some sad attempt for approval. Its sad to watch you do, so please, stop talking to me. Otherwise I will keep needing to comeback and slap you around like you need. And I can't tolerate the embarassment your to stupid to realize you're enduring right now.

[FranciscoG]

^^ I stopped at the word coward. After not denying that others have to fight for you and not recognizing those who have fought, IMHO the word coward is misapplied.

[Bojangles69]

^^ I stopped at the word coward. After not denying that others have to fight for you and not recognizing those who have fought, IMHO the word coward is misapplied.

Don't lie to us. And just be honest. After some of the shit you've said in this thread, and how boldly irrellevant so many of your comments have been, you really just can't read at all can you?

Don't be embarassed bro, its not too late to learn.

[FranciscoG]

Personal attacks, well I can´t say I didn´t see it coming, pretty much all you have to stand on.

If it makes you feel better sure, I can´t read.

[Bojangles69]

I actually enjoyed making fun of Ryan Ross more then you. At least sometimes he actually annoyed me. But at this point it feels more like a game of who will stop responding first. And you don't realize it yet, but I just won.

[FranciscoG]

Typical loser that got his education in prison and thinks he knows it all. Ok you win. Way to go.

[Mooseman33]

Look Moose, you already cross examined me during The Interview thread. I think it was you that asked if I hated America of which I don't and answered truthfuly.

I think the beef you have here is that all you care about is "white christian America" if you really want to get down to the nitty gritty. What the Hell has your accusation got to do with anything? Do you even know anything about Abraham? The nature of this thread is a classic example of how shit religion can get.

DID I SAY ONCE ANYTHING ABOUT HATING THE WEST?

You know I didn't so stop trying to get a fvcking bee in your fvcking bonnet. Why dont you go ahead and make your thread about people you dislike? You sound like a very bitter old man right now.

a question was asked during the interview. where is the cross examination in that?
and where do u get im all about white christian america?
i dont like muslims, the only religion i have anything against, im real...for better or worst.

truth is flagg, i really dont like you.....therefore i will just back out and stay out of ur posts in the future to avoid arguement.

[BJJ]

I am missing the over all issue here.

There are thousands of girls sold into white slavery every year. I never seen one thread on this board that over 39 replies were generated from a child white slavery, let alone even seen one thread about the subject.

There are many countries that have relaxed laws with respect to age of a girl´s marriage. And, many are not muslims.

There are many countries including the USA that allow under 18 years of age to participate in a marriage, If I recall correctly in many states a 16 year-old can marry with parental concent.

Now if its because the guy has a religious issue or he is arab, there is another issue. Many of the founding fathers including Jefferson owned slaves and raped slaves. We never read a thread about how bad the founding fathers were do we.

Common people do not know much about those topics, that answers your question, I presume.
In any case, the "celebrity" you mentioned was not the only one acting so badly in history against female human beings.
If common people knew what really happend in the last two centuries, and keeps happening nowadays, nobody would read anymore any scholastic books!

[BJJ]

The tragedy of all of this is when there is no more oil in the Middle East and Jerusalem ceases to exist, stories like this will stop appearing in the news.

Exactly.

^^ Pretty much. You never see anyone wanting to start a few wars in Africa to stop the whatever social or religious issue.

That is because Africa is already owned, used to generate profits from its vast natural resources, including precious stones, and to hide those who needs to be hidden.

The last 4 letters of the English alphabet x2 plus the number 6 starting from the beginning.
You will have a name which is not what common people think of!... very active in Africa.

[Flagg]

a question was asked during the interview. where is the cross examination in that?
and where do u get im all about white christian america?
i dont like muslims, the only religion i have anything against, im real...for better or worst.


truth is flagg, i really dont like you.....therefore i will just back out and stay out of ur posts in the future to avoid arguement.

Yeah well I didn't ever have a problem with you, infact I always admired your honesty but don't worry I wont be losing any sleep "bro".

Again I would ask where you equate me not liking religion to disliking the West. Wait you can't, you're just a bitter broke down old man.

[marcus300]

Lets get this thread back on topic...............

[FranciscoG]

Common people do not know much about those topics, that answers your question, I presume.
In any case, the "celebrity" you mentioned was not the only one acting so badly in history against female human beings.
If common people knew what really happend in the last two centuries, and keeps happening nowadays, nobody would read anymore any scholastic books!

The issue is an 80 year-old bascially purchasing a 11 year-old as a wife. Which as correctly stated most are not scholastically addressing.

In the world as a whole white slavery is much more than a problem of one man buying one woman. You have thousands of women sold by poor farmers in south west asia. You also have many women in easter EU subjected to horrible things. Many independant states do not have laws agains first cousins having sex.

The deeper issue is once its an arabs suddenly nut cases come out of the woods and there is my problem. As a whole the issue of white slavery most don´t give a shit about or have not expressed that they do. But the hate language and talks of blindly starting a war pursue.

Frankly as was mentioned by other members I could give two bits of a shit what others do in whatever countries they live in.

[ranging1]

Lets get this thread back on topic...............

lol well said

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't arguing anything, actually.

In fact I was simply stating a fact (not a belief).

The fact is that one Abrahamic religion (Islam) condones this type of marriage, whereas the other two Abrahamic religions do not (Judaism and Christianity). Therefore, it's not logically consistent, per Flagg's statement, to lump all three together into a unified belief system concerning the topic at hand.

Clearer now?

soz d7m, ur right i misunderstood you, apologies

ur right it is an ironic fact

[FranciscoG]

The bible speaks about immoral-sexual sins and punishments for them.. Bestiality, rape, adultery, divorce, sodomy, incest, Necrophilia, Whoredom, and so on. But where is the law against taking a wife from a underage, underdeveloped girl.

I have read the bible from cover to cover. If it is against Christ´s views can someone post the verse?

One may make an argument that the practice constitutes promiscuity and then Romans 13:13 could be used as a foundation. But promiscuity and taking a bride are a far apart.


There is

And when I passed by you and saw you wallowing in your blood, I said to you in your blood, 'Live!' I said to you in your blood, 'Live!' I made you flourish like a plant of the field. And you grew up and became tall and arrived at full adornment. Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare.

"When I passed by you again and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine.

(Ezekiel 16:6-8, ESV)
But you have 9 year-olds thats developed and have started puberty, So again there is not a set again in both the old and new testamints.

So unless someone can site the bible and provide and example Flagg is correct.

[Flagg]

Religion is a touchy subject at the best of times for most people and most that know me know I have a pretty zero tollerant attitude to most aspects of religion which at times leads me to make blanket statements or generalisations without consideration to how unsensitive such statements are to those that do have faith.

So i'll appologise for that and to anyone who might have been offended by my broad generalisations.

I was probably the first one to drag religion into this so I have no excuse, but the real topic at hand should be:

"Is it wrong that slavery still exists and why has an act like this been allowed to happen and why does it happen?"

The age of consent varies quite wildly throughout the world. People may be shocked to know that the age of consent in most Western countries was 10-13 up till about the mid 19th Century and that it has only been moderated to 16-18 up till about the end of the 20th Century. Today the age of consent in South Korea is 13, Brazil is 14 where as in Turkey it is 18. Here in the UK it is 16 and Tajikstan has a 17 age of consent. So which country has the better ethical highground when it comes to this sort of thing, South Korea, Brazil, Tajikstan the UK or Turkey?

Most countries in the world recognise an actual age of consent. Amazingly, in places like Saudia Arabia, sex itself is deemed as illegal out of marriage and there is no actual recognised age of consent and it is apparantly based on the environment, circumstances and tradition. Apparantly last year a 54 year old man attempted to marry a 8 year old girl but this was (mercifully) annuled by a Saudi court. In 2008 The Ministry of Justice tried to push for a "14 Age of Consent" in Saudi Arabia but I assume was unsucessful.

As for slavery, there are some 26 million people in the world that are considered "slaves", more people are in slavery today than at any other point in human history. Most of this comes from "Human Trafficking", an appalling crime that is set to outgrow drug trafficking soon. Human Trafficking is mostly used in selling women and children and is widespread across the whole planet. Brazil and Thailand apparantly have the worst recorded cases of human trafficking.

Some half a million people are trafficked each year from Eastern Bloc European countries and Asia.

The point is, this sort of thing goes on way, way more than people care to know. It's easy to point at one case in the news and go "well what do you expect over there" but this sort of thing goes on EVERYWHERE. India, Thailand, The Philipines, everywhere. The majority of human trafficking comes from Eastern Europe and are fed to Western European Countries, the Middle East, Asia, Russia and the USA.

Its possibly the most vile crime there is today. Its abhorant and disgusting, and to prove I can eat my own words, most of this is done as a business with no religious motivication.

I think my ultimate point is, that this sort of thing goes on all the time. My question is, what is more vile....the person who can sell another human being or the buyer?

And why isn't this mentioned more? I mean 25 MILLION PEOPLE are in slavery today, thats nearly half of the UK and that isn't making headline news?? Is it the act in this article that people are repulsed at or the location where it is happening?

[D7M]

The bible speaks about immoral-sexual sins and punishments for them.. Bestiality, rape, adultery, divorce, sodomy, incest, Necrophilia, Whoredom, and so on. But where is the law against taking a wife from a underage, underdeveloped girl.

I have read the bible from cover to cover. If it is against Christ´s views can someone post the verse?

One may make an argument that the practice constitutes promiscuity and then Romans 13:13 could be used as a foundation. But promiscuity and taking a bride are a far apart.


There is

And when I passed by you and saw you wallowing in your blood, I said to you in your blood, 'Live!' I said to you in your blood, 'Live!' I made you flourish like a plant of the field. And you grew up and became tall and arrived at full adornment. Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare.

"When I passed by you again and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine.

(Ezekiel 16:6-8, ESV)
But you have 9 year-olds thats developed and have started puberty, So again there is not a set again in both the old and new testamints.

So unless someone can site the bible and provide and example Flagg is correct.

^I don't want to turn this into a religious debate....it'll just get locked if we do.

I'll answer you briefly, and if you would like clarification, feel free to PM me.

Your argument rests on the false assumption that the Bible is the sole moral authority for Christian conduct. This is in fact false for Catholics as well as Jews. The only way your argument is feasible is if you qualify it to include only certain Protestant groups.

In fact, most Christians (and Jews, and Muslims for that matter) believe not only in a written tradition, but also in an oral tradition.

The clearest expression of this that I know of in the Christian tradition is from the 4th Session of the Council of Trent.

[PistolStarta]

Just wanted to point out this point has some relevence and some not, Ezekial is part of the old testament and when Christ came down (as we Christians/Catholics believe) the world was washed clean, AND the rules changed. (if everything and all rules remained the same why would we need a new testament?)

You also said
^^ Pretty much. You never see anyone wanting to start a few wars in Africa to stop the whatever social or religious issue.

Maybe you're forgotten it was us who helped create Israel and in turn we created the conflict? The british and UN (with our support) helped it be created. Africa wasnt a conflict created by us.

[FranciscoG]

True enough from both D7M and you Pistol, I am gonna leave the remainder of it alone.

[D7M]

Just wanted to point out this point has some relevence and some not, Ezekial is part of the old testament and when Christ came down (as we Christians/Catholics believe) the world was washed clean, AND the rules changed. (if everything and all rules remained the same why would we need a new testament?)

You also said
^^ Pretty much. You never see anyone wanting to start a few wars in Africa to stop the whatever social or religious issue.

Maybe you're forgotten it was us who helped create Israel and in turn we created the conflict? The british and UN (with our support) helped it be created. Africa wasnt a conflict created by us.

Just for the record, I don't fully agree with this form of supersessionism.