This site....

[c-Z]

Peer reviewed study showing incomplete epiphyseal fusion in some cases until 27:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/eanyl0gjk05fdakp/

Book showing that regardless of the ester the effects of testosterone have an onset of less than 24h... the ester just determines the half life/active life and final weight of the product

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&...nthate&f=false

have a nice day =P

Well said mate. Good read. This comes to show that there really isn't an answer. I pulled a few sites most were around 20. And of course on a rare occasion there could be some taking longer. And this is why our vets and mods choose that magic number 25 I assume. Now does it mean we all have to parrot it? NO. We get a lot of 20-22 year olds. We should be helping them understanding the risk and if they choose to proceed help them. Not, Too young see ya later.

[bjohnson1968]

doesn't all steps in puberty take place at different times within each individual rangin from very young at the start to older than other when it stops

this discussion could go on forever I think the OP is sitting back laughing cuz he knows that

[c-Z]

It can go on forever. Its on giant argument. Similar to politics and religion. My god is better than yours you know why? Because he is MY GOD! We can argue here all day. There is so many factors to factor in. Each and every individuals body is different. We talk growth plates fusing. Mine may have been fused at 17. But yours could be fully fused at 24. So what is the proper age? There is no saying.

[loftros]

Bro, no one has to show you any "proof," if you've ever run a cycle w/out a PCT, you would realize how awful low-testosterone feels. And trust me, MOST don't recover so easily post cycle (yes there are exceptions, and some people are able to miraculous recover their HPTA w/out a PCT fairly swiftly.. but this is clearly not common.)

Without a PCT your body can take months to return to homeostasis (if it ever actually returns..), not to mention the psychological toll it takes on your body -- depression, lethargic 24/7, etc..

To other members:


PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

Bro I'm not a troll, I'm just posting things that I've learned over the years. PCT works for some, but the one time I used it I recovered quickly, but the acne was horrendous. Ive never ran pct since and have recovered from long 16+ weeks cycles just fine also. I do remember taking clomid and tearing up during sad movies....idk up to you guys to find what works best for you.

[chuckt12345]

lol
So if i get strepp throat i shouldnt take meds to help me get well quicker? Thats exactly what you comparing when you say you shouldnt use pct to recover faster. And guess what Clomid is prescribed to men also so dont says its just given to females.
ps and you contridict yourself,, if you say prop clears system faster then your also saying its released and peeks quicker.

[MuscleScience]

Come on guys he is a med student, he only wants to help.

[stokedv]

Let me begin by saying that I used to love reading this site to learn everything about steroids, but now it's just filled with the same bs I see on many boards. Here are some things I have learned over the years

1. Higher doses ALWAYS give better results(if everything else is up to par)

2. PCT is risky business.....if you're trying to recover from exogenous hormones then why would you introduce even more that have side effects in themselves? If you want to return your body to it's natural state, let it take course NATURALLY.

3. Cycling on and off. Why would you screw up your endocrine system, wait till you bring it back to normal and then do it again? Seems like you're hurting your body alot more than a more stable cruise dose.

4. Using before age 25. There is no magic age to start using so why is 21 or 23 too young for that matter? I know the vets here are trying to keep people safe, but not just admit that you don't know the best age to start?

5. Prop is NOT a faster acting ester than enan or cyp...it is just out of your system faster...I can back this up with sources

Just thought this board needed a little truth, I'd love to see the same parrots argue all of these.

Dude...