*Beginner cycle - 6months research - *ARE WE READY?*

[Cotto333]

Do you want to run the risk of seriously damaging your HPTA and having low test for life?

Even if it is done correctly and safe?

[Cotto333]

It's good to inform members, especially young ones, of the potential risks that come with the use of AAS. However, to speak of these potential risks as facts, is foolish. When you say "you will have depression", you're saying it is a guaranteed side effect, which is completely untrue. You may suffer from depression, you may not. It may be mild, it may be severe. You may never feel happier because of steroids. You never know.

I'm not advocating the use of steroids by 18 year olds, but I feel it's necessary to approach a situation like this with honesty. And to try to use "scare tactics", as some members seem to do, isn't the best way to educate people on steroids.

Instead of telling them exactly what side effects they will have, tell them about the side effects they may have. And which one's are reversable, and which are very uncommon. It's just unfair to lie to a person by telling them they will get this and that by using steroids prematurely.

To the OP: You're 18, so you are a tad young. But you've obviously done your research. I'd recommend reading up a bit more, start forming your own opinions on this stuff, and really get your diet and training down. After doing that, I'd say go for it. My first cycle was almost identical to yours and I had fantastic results (at the age of 21).

Best POST this year.

[dec11]

Best POST this year.

jez, your not very well read are you? all the kiddies coming out now cause they've heard what they want to hear from some idiot with a handfull of posts, give me a break.

[Cotto333]

Its right people try to give steriods unproved side effects, like it stunts growth and all the other none fact based problems.

''I'm not advocating the use of steroids by 18 year olds, but I feel it's necessary to approach a situation like this with honesty. And to try to use "scare tactics", as some members seem to do, isn't the best way to educate people on steroids.''

Watch bigger faster stronger. Its a great DVD on the use of steroids.

[Cotto333]

Another thing people say that annoys me, is they tell you to wait till your 25 before you use ASS. To be honest people in their late teens early 20's want to start as early as possible as there is so much competition, the world wants to be younger stronger faster bigger. I think by the time your 25 youve lost 5 year and eventually you get where you want to be by the age your 28-30, when you could of been where you have wanted to be at 22-24.

Another thing that annoys me is when people say, your too young your natural test levels are as high as they can be, but surely if natural test levels where as good as ASS why arent the teenagers who train there arse off with excellent diets, as big as people who use roids?
The thing is there a loads of people who join this site who are just wanting to take the quick route.
They join the site with minimal training experience, poor diet and no will power, but on the other hand there is people like myself who have trained for 5 year, have a very good diet, good routine, who just want to use steroids to take them to the next level.

[dec11]

Another thing people say that annoys me, is they tell you to wait till your 25 before you use ASS. To be honest people in their late teens early 20's want to start as early as possible as there is so much competition, the world wants to be younger stronger faster bigger. I think by the time your 25 youve lost 5 year and eventually you get where you want to be by the age your 28-30, when you could of been where you have wanted to be at 22-24.

Another thing that annoys me is when people say, your too young your natural test levels are as high as they can be, but surely if natural test levels where as good as ASS why arent the teenagers who train there arse off with excellent diets, as big as people who use roids?
The thing is there a loads of people who join this site who are just wanting to take the quick route.
They join the site with minimal training experience, poor diet and no will power, but on the other hand there is people like myself who have trained for 5 year, have a very good diet, good routine, who just want to use steroids to take them to the next level.

oh dear, you young man havent a clue, come back when youve grown up a bit

[dezza6969]

Steriods = Stunt growth :S Where is the proof?

Are you kidding? A basic high school human biology class will show you that estrogen promotes the fusion of the growth plates, effectively stopping any growth in height in it's tracks. That's why women are in general shorter than men, the greater circulating estrogen fuses their growth plates quicker than men. Testosterone aromatises to estrogen. Thus 500mg test per week is surely going to contribute to growth plates fusing. Even if you took an aromatase inhibitor, not only are you effecting possible mascular gains on cycle, you are not going to completly stop higher than normal aromatisation on exogenous test

[Cotto333]

Maybe, but its just facts, you train at the gym and theres so much temptation.

[Cotto333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8nOKJTL6Tg

[Big]

Best POST this year.

find me someone credible over the age of 35 or 40 who agrees with you. of course kids are going to agree with another kid that tells them what they want to hear. youth is wasted on the young.

[dezza6969]

Maybe, but its just facts, you train at the gym and theres so much temptation.

Well develop some
f*ckin will power

[dec11]

find me someone credible over the age of 35 or 40 who agrees with you. of course kids are going to agree with another kid that tells them what they want to hear. youth is wasted on the young.

if only they realized it

[marcus300]

Its right people try to give steriods unproved side effects, like it stunts growth and all the other none fact based problems.

''I'm not advocating the use of steroids by 18 year olds, but I feel it's necessary to approach a situation like this with honesty. And to try to use "scare tactics", as some members seem to do, isn't the best way to educate people on steroids.''

Watch bigger faster stronger. Its a great DVD on the use of steroids.

You defiantly posted in the right thread

[Knockout_Power]

Cotto, when you are gone and forgotten, the vets here are going to have to clean up a long line of messes that you're causing. Dont you think theres a reason all these senior members are giving the advice they do? Oh, let me guess, you think they say what they do cause they are jealous and these kids will catch up to them so early in their lives... a yes, the AAS conspiracy theory.

[VanillaGorilla1]

jez, your not very well read are you? all the kiddies coming out now cause they've heard what they want to hear from some idiot with a handfull of posts, give me a break.

Whoa, ease up on the insults, pal. Get a build before you start chirping me.
Thanks, though.

[shiz1231]

seriously how hard is it for teens to put in a few years of solid dieting and hard work before they consider aas, it does pay off, there are guys at my gym who have cycled at 19/20 and they look like shit

your not seeing the gains you want because you possibly lack dedication,intensity , no progression in the gym and a shiity diet

[stevey_6t9]

I kinda feel for the op here, he shouldn't cycle for sure but he's obviously not a troll and has been pretty respectful in his response to critism which is a good sign.

Stevey how would have you felt if some one said this to you-



when you posted this less than a year ago-

and at 19 you've ended up doin a cyp n prop cycle anyway. Hypicrosy is very un-Australian except in politics where it is staple.

mate every 18 yr old asks the same question when they join, and the responses i got and everyone else gets is the same.

i chose not to listen to marcus and other members, and now i do regret it to some extent.

and yes i did do a cycle, and my test levels havent returned to normal yet, im still waiting, so theres a reason for my "hypociritical" statement you twat.

[dezza6969]

Don't get touchy knucklehead, if that was your reason you should have stated it instead of telling the op to go elsewhere, much more constructive, no need to act like ur a bigshot, when the fact is u cycled at 19 suffered the consequences and instead of explaining this u tell the kid to go elsewhere. Go spend ur time making a few more 'AR official videos' instead of telling ppl to go elsewhere

[stevey_6t9]

Don't get touchy knucklehead, if that was your reason you should have stated it instead of telling the op to go elsewhere, much more constructive, no need to act like ur a bigshot, when the fact is u cycled at 19 suffered the consequences and instead of explaining this u tell the kid to go elsewhere. Go spend ur time making a few more 'AR official videos' instead of telling ppl to go elsewhere

lol settle down son, its cute how you go through my threads though, but i stand by my statement and if you dont like it then you can go elsewhere too. I believe it was said in a constructive manner for the OP's sake. Take it like a man.

[Knockout_Power]

seriously how hard is it for teens to put in a few years of solid dieting and hard work before they consider aas, it does pay off, there are guys at my gym who have cycled at 19/20 and they look like shit

your not seeing the gains you want because you possibly lack dedication,intensity , no progression in the gym and a shiity diet

Its incredibly hard for kids now adays to work for anything.They are so fcuken self-entitled and believe they are owed whatever they desire. Sad fact of life this next batch of "grown-ups"