Whats the MAX test yall used??

[Big_BoneZ]

Originally posted by Leroy Brown


I disagree with your points about receptor saturation, and with dbol being ineffective over 5 wks. With the dbol, you just stop seeing more water wt., but muscle gains should continue. And as for receptors, if that were true, people who never come off would stop seeing gains. The opposite is true, based on my experience, the experience of others (i.e. Pros), and science.

I AM NOT SURE where ur getting this from BUT if you search on DBOL and look at the cycles, nobody recommends running DBOL for a lenghty period of times, 6 weeks is THE max you want to run it.

I got 16 lb gains in my first 3 weeks at 50mg ED, and didnt really gain afterwards (look at my cycle below), Mind that my diet(calories/fat/carbs) and training were in check.

[Leroy Brown]

Originally posted by Big_BoneZ


I AM NOT SURE where ur getting this from BUT if you search on DBOL and look at the cycles, nobody recommends running DBOL for a lenghty period of times, 6 weeks is THE max you want to run it.

I got 16 lb gains in my first 3 weeks at 50mg ED, and didnt really gain afterwards (look at my cycle below), Mind that my diet(calories/fat/carbs) and training were in check.

I'm getting this from my own experience and from science. Scientifically speaking, dbol increases protein synthesis, increases nitrogen retention, and is anti-catabolic. These processes continue to function longer than 6 weeks. Actually, dbol's effectiveness INCREASES the longer you use it.

You gained 16 lbs in 3 weeks. Do you think that was all muscle? Within the first month of use, you'll gain lots of water from dbol. After that, you just gain lean mass (and some fat, if estrogen is not kept in check).

The 6 week rule on orals is more a matter of liver protection, rather than any decrease in effectiveness.

I'll continue to debate this with you if you want, but there's just no way you can convince me that dbol "stops working" after a few weeks.

[shootdeep]

250mg EOD of sustanon. so i guess between 750-1000mg. i know most bros don't like sus because of the injections and rollercoaster plasma levels, but the sides are basically nothing for me so i LOVE the stuff! EOD inj. seem to keep my levels even.

[stengun]

Howdy,

I'm thinking 'bout shootin' up 2g just to see what will happen!

Stengun

[TRE]

2400mg (is that a lot LOL)

[Warrior]

I am still totally with Leroy Brown on this whole topic.

Big_BoneZ, how's it you figure an anabolic steriod stops working? The only way it would is if you out grew the dose. And really the only limiting factor with Dbol is the fact that it is a 17-alkylated steroid - which places stress on your liver. Especially at higher doses used over 5 weeks. Most will use it at a moderate to high dose for 5 weeks simply to get a jump start while using long esters. Dbol certainly does not STOP working... in fact it is often used well over 5 weeks as a bridge in one low dose per day.

[Big_BoneZ]

I am not saying that anabolic steroid wills top working, but you dont get as much gains as you do in say 12 weeks, why do you think we dont stay on cycle for year around?

the effects wear off and taking say 300-400 mg deca for 48 weeks is useless now isnt it? not matter how much proviron you take, wouldn't you rather take the same deca for 12-16 weeks and take a break and get back on it, than going straight for a longer cycle?

two reasons: One so your body starts producing "some natural test", as your HPTA is cut off by deca, and your androgen receptors are able to take up the gear as they get saturated over time, as you can only take so much, otherwise if you can afford, why would you not do test, deca, fina, EQ winny, from start to end of your cycle at HIGH doses?


well i am definitely not a doctor and could be wrong, but thats what my perception is researching steroids for almost a year now, and after one cycle (shown below... gains werent TOO GREAT)
correct me if I am wrong, and I respect your opinion and knowledge

[LightWeightBaby]

500 a week, but maybe i will run 1000 just to write that in this post haha j.k

[BDTR]

Grew like an absolute weed at 2 grams of test stacked with lots of other anabolics. Only down side is the side effects were horrible, worst blood pressure ever, SEVERE acne, horrible mood swings, painful to urinate, moon face even with anti-e's.

[ColdSore]

Grew like an absolute weed at 2 grams of test stacked with lots of other anabolics. Only down side is the side effects were horrible, worst blood pressure ever, SEVERE acne, horrible mood swings, painful to urinate, moon face even with anti-e's.

damn... i can only imagine wha 2 grams of test ew would do to me...

[skii96]

Grew like an absolute weed at 2 grams of test stacked with lots of other anabolics. Only down side is the side effects were horrible, worst blood pressure ever, SEVERE acne, horrible mood swings, painful to urinate, moon face even with anti-e's.

Same here bro. I went up to 2g's/wk and didnt really like it at all! Now i never go above 1500mg/wk and usually if i add in other anabolics i stick with 1000-1200mg/wk.

[MR.BICEPS]

Ive done as much as 1500mgs of test per week but I swelled up like a fattening hog and my blood pressure caused some very bad migraines.

750mgs is optimal!

[BUYLONGTERM]

400mg a week. I might bump it to 500, but I did very well on 250mg a week.

[Dude-Man]

0 grams.

[JohnnyB]

500mg

JohnnyB

[Nailer]

500mg

JohnnyB

same

[BDTR]

I love the gains from it, i know i'll do it again and even peek off at 3 grams when i hit the suspension... but man, the sides are almost unbearable.

[FedSki]

Here's my cycle including my Test intake: -

Week 1 - 5 40mg Dbol ED
Week 1 - 11 500mg Test E
Week 1 - 10 400mg Deca
Week 9 - 13 100mg Test P ED (5 weeks)
Week 10 - 13 50mg Winny ED (4 weeks)

Now the reason I decided to run the Test P at 100mg per day is due to the fact I stopped gaining after about week 7.

Few sides except for raised blood pressure and associated insomnia.

[Pinch]

have only done 500mg, about to try 750

[arnoldwannab]

I stick with a 500mg a week dose

[Bigboy123]

Im at 900mgs right now since I front loaded prop in my cycle to kick start it. 100mgs EOD with 600mgs cyp a week, im on week two, ill let u guys know... I feel like i can go higher.... I think im goin to run sus EOD maybe on my next cycle, but thats a long time away so who knows!!!

[LightWeightBaby]

I hear ronnie coleman does a gram a day

[TheSevnthWarrior]

I hear ronnie coleman does a gram a day

Naaaaaaaaa! I saw him on TV....he's Natural, he even said so...

[LightWeightBaby]

Naaaaaaaaa! I saw him on TV....he's Natural, he even said so...

I know I was just kidding I guess he has really good genetics, he said the secret was the Nitro tech/ cell tech stack it is suppost to work wonders.

[palme]

Im still at 500mg's but ive dont a 1g frontload, that was fun

[BDTR]

I'm still waiting for MM's poem on me..

[TheSevnthWarrior]

I'm still waiting for MM's poem on me..

I wonder what the rating will be?
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[TheSevnthWarrior]

After I "settle in", I like 250 ETD, so 750, but along w/ whatever else (Dec, Fina, EQ, Winny, Orals whatever) I think that's plenty.
However, when I first learned what Sustenon really was (the different esther issue) I would run Sust ETD, w/ additional Prop ED (100) so at that time 1,450. It's comical, but actually, I grew like young cub!
But in my right mind 750, later in the cycle, after I've lost all reasoning, 1000 ...

[groverman1]

600mg a week it's my 1st cycle and little or no sides. But plenty of gains.

[Animal Cracker]

I have used a max of 750...after that I hear there are more sides than benifits..but I do not know. Maybe in the future I will hit the 1000 mark!

[scottninpo]

500mg, but i'm thinking of using sust every 3rd day for my next cycle

[Gilster]

I did 1400mgs/w of Enanthate for my 4th cycle but I won't go higher than 1000mgs/w again, if that much. 700mgs/w of prop is just fine.

[hitmeoff]

Leroy Brown is 100% correct on the Dbol issue.

No one recommends 6+ week long cycles of dbol because of possible Hepotoxicity, not because its ineffective.

Dbol water gain stops around weeks 4-6, but like leroy brown stated, the effects on protien synthesis go on LONG after that. If you were to run no other orals in your cycle, made sure you took your r-ALA, NAC, and Milk THistle and ran your dbol past 6 weeks youd notice that you get real muscle (as opposed to just water) past that point.

In fact, if you were to take the water part away from dbol (due 100% to its easy aromatization) with enough femera or arimidex, youd see that your gains in size and strength would be very similar to anavar.

Its a total fallacy that dbol stops building muscle past the 4th, 5th and eve 6th week. Leroy Brown is 100% correct on this.

[Ankhefenmut]

Jeez, And I thought 400mg of Prop per week was HUGE. I think Id be pushing up daisies if I did some of these amounts.

That and the fact that I would not want a poem written about me either.

[Da Bull]

750...any higher I get sides..........

[tylerdurden]

6 omnadron a week which is 1500g,well it filled me with water and my face got puffier and redder than i dunno wot,so cut it down to 1000 after 3wks

[slobberknocker]

2 grams. Very high blood pressure.

[joeoak]

1000 mgs for the last 6 months almost no sides

[monkeyjuice]

500mg of test works for me, so why fix it if it ain't broken?

[Grant]

1000 made me hit a new high, playing with your test level is so necessary