Spawn/Clen 2 week on 2 week off log

[bigslick7878]

Day 18 - OFF 60 min AM cardio 198.0lb am/198.0lbpm

Day 19 - Legs 30 min No cardio 195.0lb am/197.0lb pm

Day 20 - OFF 45 min AM cardio 194.5lb am/197.0lb pm

Day 21 - Back/Triceps No cardio 195.5lb am/197.5lb pm

Been having to back off the cardio the weight is coming off fast on this clen. I am down about 7 lbs in a week, I have a feeling a lot of it is water though because my strength has not really fallen off a lot. I was doing some reading and there is a bit of a diuretic effect from clen, and with my waist shrinking at a ridiculous rate I am guess I am very dry right now along with dropping some fat.

Another thing I noticed is what a massive difference your recovery time is while not on, it is unbelievable how much longer it takes. I could go balls to the wall for 60 minutes and the next day not feel a thing while on, now I go maybe 50 minutes and really feel it the next day. 3 days on 1 day off would be impossible right now.

[bigslick7878]

Day 22 - Chest/Biceps - 55 min - 35 min am cardio - 194.5lb am/196.0lb pm

Strength was down a good amount from last time, I was struggling to do 80% volume wise.

I guess you only have about a week of it left in your system before it goes....

[bigslick7878]

Day 23 - OFF - 60 min am cardio - 193.5lb am/197.0lb pm

[bigslick7878]

Day 24 - Shoulders - 50 min - no cardio 195.5lb am/197.0lb pm

Had a GREAT workout tonight, was getting concerned after my last chest workout and the strength down. Maybe it was just a bad day. Came back very strong tonight, hitting numbers I was doing during the peak of the on period.

Think my body has adjusted to the clen, the weight drop is not happening that much recently. Been doing 120mcg the past few days think I will bump it to 140 for these last 4 days. I am guessing a lot of that initial weight drop was water.

[TRT2010]

good shit man.. where r the pics

[bigslick7878]

good shit man.. where r the pics

No pics until I am done, this is a 2 month process not 3 weeks.

That is IF I can find a spot in my basement to take good ones, I have taken hundreds of pics but I swear they all come out terrible because of the lighting. I have to find the perfect spot and perfect camera location but that is much easier said then done.

I will get some new ones up at the end somehow though.

[tjax03]

No pics until I am done, this is a 2 month process not 3 weeks.

That is IF I can find a spot in my basement to take good ones, I have taken hundreds of pics but I swear they all come out terrible because of the lighting. I have to find the perfect spot and perfect camera location but that is much easier said then done.

I will get some new ones up at the end somehow though.

If you have to manipulate the lighting to make yourself look good, then chances are you aren't in a good shape. Once you have cut down to 10-12% we will be able to see it in any decent lighting conditions.

[bigslick7878]

If you have to manipulate the lighting to make yourself look good, then chances are you aren't in a good shape. Once you have cut down to 10-12% we will be able to see it in any decent lighting conditions.

When you are using a camera phone in a tiny basement with one light square in the middle and no one there to hold the camera right it is much harder that you might think to even look respectable no matter what shape you are in.

Lighting can make you look good and it also can make you look very bad, it goes both ways. I am dropping weight and keeping most of my strength, I am progressing fine. I have figured out by now that I am going to need to get down to about 185 for where I want to be. I have not seen that weight in years, and I doubt I want to go much lower than that. But we will see when I get there.

[bigslick7878]

Day 25 - Legs 30 min - 45 min am cardio - 194.5lb am/196.5lb pm



Day 26 - Back/Triceps - 54 min - 60 min am cardio - 195.0lb am/197.0lb pm


Maintaining strength and weight right now, can't wait for another few days where I can kill the cardio without fear of losing muscle and weight too fast when I go back on.

[bigslick7878]

Day 27 - OFF 60 min am cardio, 2.5 mile walk pm 195.0lb am/196.5lb pm

Day 28 - Chest/Biceps 52 min 60 min am cardio, 3.5 mile walk 194.0lb am/194.5lb pm

OK so let's do a 4 week recap and progress update.

Weight - 199lb am -----> 194.5lbam
Stomach -35in ---------> 33 1/4
Arms - 15 1/4 ----------> 15 1/4
Quad - 24 --------------> 24 1/4
Calves - 15 -------------> 15

Looking back at my numbers my midsection dropped pretty much exactly the same amount during the 2 weeks "on" period, and the 2 weeks of the Clen. It was weird the clen started off with me dropping a lot of weight the first week, and then I stayed flat the next week. Same measurements, same weight and everything. Overall I am very happy with only dropping 4.5lbs yet I took almost 2 inches off the stomach, I would say that is a pretty good ratio.

Strength wise it was also odd, the chest strength dropped off significantly during the clen period, but other body parts there was very little change. My chest workout tonight was pretty pedestrian compared to what I was doing while "on". I think I like this 2 week thing because that is right about the time you start seeing drops and then boom you are back on again to get all that strengths and endurance back.

I am making a change in the compounds for the next 2 weeks, it will be more heavy on the Epistane and much lighter on the tren. Tren is a fantastic compound but after 3 PH cycles I have the dreaded puffy nipples and I need to get rid of that. Back when I first started I did not know Tren caused this and I was much higher body fat, that is what did it. Epistane is known for working great to reduce that so I bought RPN Havoc separate from the Spawn and I will be dosing it 66mg Epi/60 Tren this time. The first 2 weeks I was doing only 24-32epi/90-120 tren. I just don't like that much tren and so little epistane so I made the adjustment. Epistane is also a great recomp PH and since I am looking to lean out it should be perfect.

If that fails it will be onto letro, but from everything I have read the Epistane usually does a fantastic job of getting rid of that minor side. It is more of an annoyance than anything and no one else can see it but me, but it is there for sure. No lumps, no pain or anything just "puffy".

Going to keep the very other day for the next few days until the stuff gets in my system again, and then extend the 3 day on/of a little over at the end of thse 2 weeks because it stays in your system for a few days after you stop taking it. Another thing is the recovery difference is amazing when you are "on", I could straight kill it for an hour a few days in a row and be fine. During the off period even every other day you can feel it, a BIG difference.

I am guessing I will be around 196-197 by the end of this 2 weeks, and then hope to drop down to the 190 range the last 2 weeks with hopefully a couple more inches off my stomach. I can now go back to cardio for 60 minutes pretty much every morning without fear I am losing muscle, I had to walk a fine line during the clen period I did not want to lose too fast. I am going to try to kill it over the next 2 weeks cardio wise, push it as far as I can.

[bigslick7878]

Day 29 - OFF - 30 min am cardio - 2.5 mile other cardio - 194.0lb am/ 194.5lb pm

Day 30 - Shoulders/Triceps 56 min - 60 min am cardio - 193.5lb am/ 195.0lb pm

[bcaasdirty]

keep at it bro

[...aydn...]

did you ever come to think your puffy nips are progestine related as both the compounds are prog based????
id get some pramipexole and start smashing a heap of vit b6

[bigslick7878]

did you ever come to think your puffy nips are progestine related as both the compounds are prog based????
id get some pramipexole and start smashing a heap of vit b6

I am pretty sure that is what it is from, you are correct. It mainly comes from the tren that is why I cut that back a lot, and will do so for the foreseeable future.

I am kind of playing it by ear right now, but prami or letro may be used if the epistane does not do the trick. I have read a LOT about people using the epi to reduce it, there are some who say it does not work but there were far more that said it did for them. We will see.

Day 31 - OFF - 50min am cardio, 3 miles other cardio - 194.0lb pm/193.5lbam

[bigslick7878]

Day 32 - Back/Biceps - 45min - 60 min am cardio - 194.5lb am/197.0lb pm

Day 33 - Chest - 45 min - 30 min PWO cardio - 195.0lb am/196.5lb pm

Think I am going to run the tren/epi to finish off this 2 weeks and then 2 more weeks of just epi and then a full PCT. The epi takes about 10 days to kick in so it probably is not a good idea to cut it at 2 weeks.

[bigslick7878]

Day 34 - Shoulders/Triceps 40 min - 2.17 mile other cardio - 30 min PWO cardio 195.0lb am/196.0lb pm

Getting slightly frustrated, and going to make some adjustments accordingly. Have not dropped a pound in about 2 weeks despite ridiculous amounts of cardio and diet on point.

Over the past 13 days I have done cardio EVERY DAY, and 5 of those days cardio TWICE. Not talking about 20 minutes either as you can see in my log. Minimum 30 minutes and usually 50-60. (looking back 4 days out of the 13 I only did 30 min, all other days 50-60min).

So I am going to TRY to cut my calories even more and try to do only 4 meals instead of 5. I am already itching looking at the clock every day as it is, so it is going to be tough. Also going to cut the weights down a bit, compared to most people IO do a ridiculous amount of volume as it is. Usually 25-35 sets for large muscles, and 8-10 for small ones. Cardio will take the place of what time I would be spending on weights, I will be shooting for something like 0 min workout and then 30 min cardio afterwards. That on top of cardio first thing in the morning.

Legs are getting put on the back burner, with the amount of time on the stationary bike it is impossible to work them with weights and they get a nice workout pedaling away for and hour at moderate resistance. They are pretty big from my soccer days so right now I am more worried about getting lean then getting my legs any bigger. I would rather spend the time on the cardio right now.

Have not taken any measurements of the stomach lately, I figured it is not changing much if my weight is the same. I would rather not look at the tape and get even more discouraged by no movement in the last 2 weeks on that either.

[bcaasdirty]

Day 34 - Shoulders/Triceps 40 min - 2.17 mile other cardio - 30 min PWO cardio 195.0lb am/196.0lb pm

Getting slightly frustrated, and going to make some adjustments accordingly. Have not dropped a pound in about 2 weeks despite ridiculous amounts of cardio and diet on point.

Over the past 13 days I have done cardio EVERY DAY, and 5 of those days cardio TWICE. Not talking about 20 minutes either as you can see in my log. Minimum 30 minutes and usually 50-60. (looking back 4 days out of the 13 I only did 30 min, all other days 50-60min).

So I am going to TRY to cut my calories even more and try to do only 4 meals instead of 5. I am already itching looking at the clock every day as it is, so it is going to be tough. Also going to cut the weights down a bit, compared to most people IO do a ridiculous amount of volume as it is. Usually 25-35 sets for large muscles, and 8-10 for small ones. Cardio will take the place of what time I would be spending on weights, I will be shooting for something like 0 min workout and then 30 min cardio afterwards. That on top of cardio first thing in the morning.

Legs are getting put on the back burner, with the amount of time on the stationary bike it is impossible to work them with weights and they get a nice workout pedaling away for and hour at moderate resistance. They are pretty big from my soccer days so right now I am more worried about getting lean then getting my legs any bigger. I would rather spend the time on the cardio right now.

Have not taken any measurements of the stomach lately, I figured it is not changing much if my weight is the same. I would rather not look at the tape and get even more discouraged by no movement in the last 2 weeks on that either.

dont get discouraged so easily bro!

best piece of advice I can give you is dont get caught up on what the dumb scale says, but rather how you LOOK in the mirror---if you can see more cuts, striations & more defined muscle bellies you're DOING IT RIGHT, regardless if the scale tells you otherwise

Id advise against dropping a meal as well...you've worked your ass off to get to this point and the last thing you want to do is further your calorie deficit and potentially lose any hard earned muscle mass...Ive been there and done that and its not teh best feeling

now pick yo ass up...go NOM some chicken, LIFT BIG, & do some car-dee-o...GET IT DONE BRO YOU GOT THIS

[bigslick7878]

dont get discouraged so easily bro!

best piece of advice I can give you is dont get caught up on what the dumb scale says, but rather how you LOOK in the mirror---if you can see more cuts, striations & more defined muscle bellies you're DOING IT RIGHT, regardless if the scale tells you otherwise

Id advise against dropping a meal as well...you've worked your ass off to get to this point and the last thing you want to do is further your calorie deficit and potentially lose any hard earned muscle mass...Ive been there and done that and its not teh best feeling

now pick yo ass up...go NOM some chicken, LIFT BIG, & do some car-dee-o...GET IT DONE BRO YOU GOT THIS

I could care less what the scale says, although I am trying to get to about 185-190 if possible. I DO care what the measurement is around my stomach that is where all the fat is. I took it this morning and I was down another 1/4 inch to 33 even. So it is still going in the right direction even if it is crawling now. Still not good enough. There is a slight change in my upper body fat level, but it is minimal IMO.

As far as the meals, I am obviously eating too much some how some way. Considering my activity and cardio level I have no clue how that is even remotely possible, but I am sure as hell not calorie deficient. My strength keeps going up so I have to assume I am building muscle. No weight is coming off either despite massive amounts of cardio. All that tells me I need to take the calories down a notch to achieve my goals, which is mainly fat loss right now.

Day 35 - OFF - no cardio - 194.5lb am/197.5lb pm

Played in a golf tournament today and went to a open buffet type deal afterwards and ate a lot, and that is reflected in my weight tonight. I will no doubt punish myself tomorrow morning with cardio to make up for it.

[bcaasdirty]

I could care less what the scale says, although I am trying to get to about 185-190 if possible. I DO care what the measurement is around my stomach that is where all the fat is. I took it this morning and I was down another 1/4 inch to 33 even. So it is still going in the right direction even if it is crawling now. Still not good enough. There is a slight change in my upper body fat level, but it is minimal IMO.

As far as the meals, I am obviously eating too much some how some way. Considering my activity and cardio level I have no clue how that is even remotely possible, but I am sure as hell not calorie deficient. My strength keeps going up so I have to assume I am building muscle. No weight is coming off either despite massive amounts of cardio. All that tells me I need to take the calories down a notch to achieve my goals, which is mainly fat loss right now.

Day 35 - OFF - no cardio - 194.5lb am/197.5lb pm

Played in a golf tournament today and went to a open buffet type deal afterwards and ate a lot, and that is reflected in my weight tonight. I will no doubt punish myself tomorrow morning with cardio to make up for it.

buffet? FATTY!!

are you still consuming 2600-2900cals/day? I'm still gonna say keep all your meals...dropping a meal is gonna put you down in the low 2k range, which for someone your size, is not gonna be ANYWHERES near enough to maintain your LBM. Sure you will lose weight, BUT you will lose a lot of muscle. You're 35days in so weight loss is gonna slow down, just gotta keep on the grind. Have you looked into manipulation of your macros by carb cycling? Ive had great success cycling hi-low-med for a couple times around to keep my body on its toes while keepin macros where they need to be to shed the fat, not the muscle

[bigslick7878]

buffet? FATTY!!

are you still consuming 2600-2900cals/day? I'm still gonna say keep all your meals...dropping a meal is gonna put you down in the low 2k range, which for someone your size, is not gonna be ANYWHERES near enough to maintain your LBM. Sure you will lose weight, BUT you will lose a lot of muscle. You're 35days in so weight loss is gonna slow down, just gotta keep on the grind. Have you looked into manipulation of your macros by carb cycling? Ive had great success cycling hi-low-med for a couple times around to keep my body on its toes while keepin macros where they need to be to shed the fat, not the muscle

I have adjusted my diet, and realized there was no way I could get by with only 4 meals it just would not work. And I only had one plate at the buffet but it was nice size and it had a lot of protein and only a tiny bit of mashed potatoes. Honestly I am starting a new job soon and my sleep is going to be greatly reduced, some days I will be up for so long it might even be 6 meals. But in that scenario the extra one will be a super clean chicken breast/vegetable meal and a small one at that.

I took the milk down to 32 ounces from about 48 per gallon of protein drink, and am drinking a little less with each meal. I am going to make a post in the diet section and figure out my macros tomorrow and will give you the exact numbers. I was reading the Narkossos diet advice thread and he was saying anything under 2 hours a day activity is considered "light". I am sedentary at all other times, so it probably averages out to about 1.5 hours a day which would put me in the "lightly active" TDEE category. I was always thinking I would be in one of the higher activity categories, but I guess not.

AND I was also reading that you should take your LBM to calculate your TDEE and not your total body weight. I was going off of total weight and that comes out to only about 2800 calories maintenance. Using just LBM I am guessing that will be somewhere in the 2400 calorie range. Just looking at some numbers right now real quick I will probably be in the 2200 range with the adjustments I am making. I will have accurate numbers tomorrow and post them.

I have been reading about the carb cycling too, and honestly I need a set routing every...single...day. I don't know if I could go a day eating a lot of carbs, and then eating very few on other days. I just don't think it would work for me.

I am going to go to 2 days on 1 day off as well instead of 3 days on 1 off, so I can do cardio twice on the off days and get more in.

So with all that tweaking I am going to try to stay on it and see if that works. I realize that after that initial loss there was going to be a slow down, but I am rather impatient by nature and I have been working so hard it felt like it wasn't paying off. I'm good now, I just have to stay on the grind. I have come this far and while I still have a ways to go I am on the right track.

Day 36 - OFF - 55min am cardio, 3.75 miles other cardio. 198.0lb am/197.0lb pm

So I punished myself today and got the weight back down from blowing up yesterday.....mission accomplished.

[cyounger100]

Good work man keep it up

[bigslick7878]

Here is what the new diet comes out to now....

Meal 1 - 30p/35c/4f/285cal/4 fib - Shake/banana (Post morning cardio)
Meal 2 - 58p/39c/16f/530cal/3fib - Shake/Turkey breast on whole grain
Meal 3 - 79p/37c/5f/565cals/6fib - Shake/8oz chicken breast/1/2 sweet potatoe/1 serving green veg.
Meal 4 - 30p/35c/4f/285cal/4 fib - Shake/banana (Post workout)
Meal 5 - 90p/24c/11f/583cal/3fib - Shake/6 oz top round steak/1/2 sweet potatoe

Extra - 63p/37c/5f/510 cal/4fib - Shake/6 oz chicken breast/1 serv green vegetable

Total for 5 - 287p/170/40f/2248cal/20fib
With extra - 350p/207c/45f/2758cal/24fib

Going off my LBM (166lbs) my TDEE comes out to 2435 maintenance.

I forgot to add in the other post that I eliminated one slice of bologna on my sandwich and replaced it with lean turkey breast, and that took off 8 grams of fat. Also I do not eat whole eggs hardly anymore, but I used to mix cheese in and I eliminated that as well. The only reason I was putting it in was to get protein anyway. I also was not eating a lot of complex carbs, and now have about 1.5 sweet potatoes spread out over a few meals to fill that void. If I can stick to this this is by far the best I have ever eaten, and light years ahead of where I was just a couple months ago.

[bigslick7878]

Day 37 - Back/Biceps 45 min - 60 min am cardio - 30 min PWO cardio - 197.5lb am/197.5lb pm

Saw a tiny bit of abs I have never seen before tonight, the small ones that are directly under your pecs. Never knew I had those LOL. Only can barely make them out but a definite improvement. Killed the cardio again today, I am on a mission dammit.

[bigslick7878]

Day 38 - Chest/Triceps - 45min - 20min PWo cardio - 194.5lb am/ 196.0lb pm

Day 39 - OFF - did nothing at all - 196.5lb am/ 198.0lb pm

[bigslick7878]

Day 40 - Shoulders 45 min - 60 min am cardio - 30 min midday cardio - 30 min PWO cardio - 197.0lb am/ 199.5lb pm

Today was interesting, woke up at 197 which is rather high ( I had a couple cheat meals yesterday and no activity whatsoever, so it was expected) so I said I will do a lot of cardio to offset that. Usually when I am that active my weight stays pretty much the same from morning to night, yet today I STILL put on 2.5lbs. That tells me the PH are kicking in hard, I am at day 12 right now so that is about right. Moreso the Epistane kicking in vs the tren, Epi starts showing up at the 10 day mark usually. I mean 2 hours of cardio AND 45 minutes with weights and I still managed to put on a few lbs.

Upper body definition is starting to be noticably better, really looking cut up top compared to before I started. Strength is still up and rising, no worries there.

[bigslick7878]

Day 41 - Back/Biceps 45 min - 2.55mile am cardio, 45 min PWO cardio - 196.0lb am/198.0lb pm

[bigslick7878]

Day 42 - OFF - 100 min cardio total - 195.0lb am/195.5lb pm

Day 43 - Chest/Triceps 45min - 30 min am cardio - 195.0lb am/197.0lbpm

OK we have a serious situation here, jumped on the stationary bike after my workout and nothing. Would not come on, no matter what I tried. This is quite possibly the worst thing that could have ever happened at this point, I don't know what I am going to do. Just used the damn thing this morning too, and now it will not come on 10 hours later. I am praying it has to do with the power cord, and am going to get some batteries to see if that works. This is a disaster.

[bigslick7878]

Day 44 - OFF - 2.96 miles cardio - 75 min other cardio - 195.5lbam / 198.0lb pm

Added the clen back in for the next 2 weeks, going to see how it works out while "on". I am trying to make a point of doing cardio minimum once a day and keeping my new diet ultra clean for the entire month of October. We will see how it goes. I am also taking the time I do with weights down a notch, and using that extra time for cardio PWO. Still doing 20-25 sets per large muscle.

Day 45 - Shoulders/Biceps 45min - 1.57miles am cardio - 5 min PWO cardio. - 196.0lbam / 195.5lb pm

[bigslick7878]

Day 46 - OFF - 1.97 mile am cardio - 45 min PM cardio - 196.5lb pm / 198.0lb pm

Lost another 1/2 inch off the stomach (32 1/4 now) while the weight is staying pretty steady, couple lb difference here and there every day but overall steady. Very happy about that. Strength still up, no loss there. All that tells me is fat is coming off and not muscle......exactly what I want.

[bigslick7878]

Day 47 - Back/Triceps 46 min - 45 min am cardio - 1.97 mile other cardio - 196.0lbpm / 196.5lbpm

Day 48 - OFF - 45 min am cardio - 5.97 mile other cardio - 194.5lbam / 192.5lb pm

Day 49 - Chest 38 min - 35 min am cardio - 35 min PWO cardio - 192.5lbam / 195.0lb pm

Can clearly see the side outline of my lower abs now, still not much in the front center but I have never seen that line on the lower sides before....ever.

[bcaasdirty]

feels good doesnt it?

keep at it

[bigslick7878]

feels good doesnt it?

keep at it

Yeah and it was very motivating when I noticed that, and it came at a perfect time when I was wondering if I was ever going to see those lower abs or not. I also took a couple pics the other day and compared them to the old ones and OMG my stomach is soooo much smaller I could not even believe it. I was FAT!

Day 48 - OFF - 1.97 miles am cardio - 55min additional cardio - 192.5lbam / 193.5lbpm

[bigslick7878]

Day 49 - Shoulders/Biceps 50min - 30 min cardio - 4 miles other cardio - 192.0lbam / 192.5lb pm

Day 50 - Back/Triceps 48min - 45 min am cardio - 192.0lbam / 193.0lb pm

I am doing the clen 1 week on/ 1 week off now until the bottle is gone(about half left), just finished a week 2 days ago. Reason for this is last time the first week I dropped a lot of weight, but the second week not much came off and my strength was hurt a little bit. So I figured if there was not much benefit for whatever reason 1 week on/off would be better. Tren is done with, for a long time. I have done 3 PH cycles in the last 10 months and I took tren with all of them, not realizing I was too high in bodyfat and the tren could eassily trigger some gyno......which it did. Nothing major but just annoying I am the only one who can see it but it is definitely there.

I will be on 60mg of just Epistane for the next few weeks to finish this out, then nolva for PCT and on to Letro to try to knock this mild gyno down a bit. Gonna take a good 4-5 months off of everything and then lean bulk naturally for a while by eating a lot of super clean food and a shitload of good supplements.

Also I have been working a job for the past couple weeks that involves activity all day, so now I am making sure I don't miss any meals and get my calories in. With the amount of cardio I am doing and work I am really burning a lot, I am guessing I need another 4-500 a day for maintenance right now and it is showing with a good 5lbs lost in the last week or so. I am trying to maintain weight while on the Epistane and just drop bodyfat, which is what I was doing before my activity level went up. That tells me I need to eat a little more than usual with this new schedule to try to maintain the weight I have and not over work myself with a big calorie deficit every day.

[teddykgb29]

wow, very impressive work here, keep it up, very good info.

[bigslick7878]

Day 51 - Legs 30 min - 2.2 miles am cardio - 40 min PWo cardio - 193.0lbam / 191.0lbpm

Think I need to cut back on the cardio with this new work schedule and my activity level up. I have lost 6lbs since I started 9 days ago and that is a bit too much. Being down to 191 tonight made me realize that I am probably overdoing it a little bit, and despite the drop in weight nothing has come off my stomach in that time. I am also going to take the next 2 days off of everything to give my body a little rest. Looking back it has been 3 months straight of not missing any days or having no more than 1 day off at a time, cardio out the ass too. I don't know what I am going to do but eat nice and healthy and just rest for a minute. No cardio, no weights nothing.

Need to bump the calories up slightly at this pace, obviously I am not eating enough right now. But hopefully cutting the cardio back will take care of that too. Despite being down about 9lbs overall my strength is still right where it has been all along, but I don't want to push it.

[charliemurphy229]

glad to see you are losing weight and still keeping strength, the journal looks great, very informative.

[bigslick7878]

Day 52 - OFF - 190.0lb am / 191.0lbpm

I am getting a little concerned, despite me eating 5 full meals so far today ( I usually am at 3 full meals and 2 protein shake meals when I weigh myself everyday) I am still at 191. More concerning is I just checked my arms and they are down a good 1/2 inch from just about a week ago. Don't know what the deal is, maybe the little bit of tren I was still taking up to a week ago is now out of my system and I am losing some muscle from it. It was only 30mg so I was not expecting that much of a difference. From now until tomorrow night I am eating a lot and clean and we will see tomorrow with doing absolutely nothing will get me up a few lbs. I knew when I was dropping weight fast the past 10 days that was no good and I was right. Might do a real short 25 min shoulder workout tomorrow to see where my strength is at.

[bigslick7878]

Day 53 - Shoulders 35 min - no cardio - 190.5lbam / 193.0lbpm

So I could not help it I had to workout today and make sure my strength was not zapped from the recent weight loss which would be a bad indicator. Still right where I was when I was on a ton of tren and about 8lbs heavier, so that will help me sleep a little better. Been eating a lot of good clean food and the weight is back where it should be. I have a certain pace laid out I am trying to stick to and went way below it there for a few days. Going back on the clen for a week starting tomorrow, going to try for a 3lb drop for the week and nothing more. My upper body is really getting lean, I am seeing muscles and other things beneath the skin I have never seen before.

[bcaasdirty]

pics when done or BAN!

[bigslick7878]

pics when done or BAN!

LOL. I will put some up in the near future.

I have kind of stalled out again and can't get the stomach below about 32 despite being down 5lbs since the last time I measured it. One good thing is I never realized how much 3 inches is off your midsection until I expanded the tape measure today to my old 35 inch measurement. I could not believe my eyes, it is a MASSIVE difference.

I am going back to cardio on empty in the morning instead of random times during the day, I have not been doing much at all due to new work schedule and have been doing a lot PWO or other times. That was right when the weight started dropping and the stomach did not......maybe there is a correlation. Got to be.