*Updated PCT Start Times, PLEASE READ*

[HawaiianPride.]

Wait at least 6 weeks.

[Far from massive]

Thnx

[Swifto]

I got this PM today and I have included my response.


800mgs test
I was talking to HP and he said to ask you this question. My next cycle im going to be running 800mgs of Test E for 10 weeks. I'm assuming my PCT should begin around 20 days after last shot? Ill be doing a Test shot EOD. Would 20days be about right for running 800mgs a week of test? Also ill be running test prop during this "Dead Time" where im waiting for the long ester to leave my body. Your input would be greatly appreciated.

My reply:


Re: 800mgs test
Good question.

TT levels will build over time, therefore the dose and peroid of your andorgen use will determine your pCT start time. There are other factors I'm actually discussing with someone right now. Bf%, LBM, age, etc... Because of AR content.

This is a question you (or anyone) can only estimate.

Test Enan's ester has been estimated at between 8-14 days. It peaks at around 4-5.5 days, then begins its decline. That said, starting a SERM before the HPTA is at hypogondal levels isnt the end of the world as SERMs work by antagonism of the ER at the hypothalamus, which means its still effective at that role, even if exogenous androgen levels are declining.

I'd start your SERM PCT at around the 14-18 day mark, but it could be anywhere from 14 days+ (IMHO) days until your TT is low enough the hypothalamus begins endogenous production again.

There is no harm in starting early whatsoever, but you begin to run into problems starting too late.

[HawaiianPride.]

Thanks Swift.

[Swifto]

Thanks Swift.

TT levels will also build over time. I'm not sure you want to also include that in your first post.

Someone on the same dose of Test Enan (500mg/wk) will have a lower TT level after 8-9 weeks, than say someone at 17-18 weeks.

Thats what Dr.Scally confirmed to me in a PM yesterday.

[HawaiianPride.]

TT levels will also build over time. I'm not sure you want to also include that in your first post.

Someone on the same dose of Test Enan (500mg/wk) will have a lower TT level after 8-9 weeks, than say someone at 17-18 weeks.

Thats what Dr.Scally confirmed to me in a PM yesterday.

I will include whatever needs to be included in the OP. If you have the time, write up what needs to be said and I'll be happy to edit it and include your name for credential purposes.

[bbradford42]

very helpful!

[Swifto]

TT will also be increased because of an AI. AI's reduce testosterone degradation.

Whether or not that will effect the PCT start time, I dont know, but its food for thought again.