The final word on DECA and LIQUIDEX

[dizzle]

Originally posted by BIG-G
Great posts but now im paranoid. Im waiting for my nolvadex to arrive as we speak,(give it a week). My nipps r gettin sensative and even puffy. Armidex is way out of budget range so i got 100 tabs of nolv commin in. Great info from u bros!!

rule #1, never start your cycle without all of your anti-Es. Now we know for next time.

[tony_canuck]

great post guys. This is why i love this site, info I can use!!

[jacko]

this is what posting is all about!

[sigrabbit]

One of the best posts I have read.

[Farm boy]

great post.

[Billy_Bathgate]

Wow..so much misinformation in this thread lmfao!


Where to start...

Deca DOES NOT aromatize to Progesterone, but can to dihydronandrolone, which is a weak AR agonist. Deca is also weakend by the 5AR

Nandrolone is PR agonistic, and the PR can alter its structure. (This is where the myth of Deca>Progesterone comes from..not really, its more like a wanna be progesterone, but seems to act somewhat like progesterone). Progesterone is an E2 agonist, and believed by many also a prolactin agonist (this is why many take bromo or dostinex for deca and fina).

Both prolactin and progesteron receptors can be found in the mammary gland and can cause gyno, but it is rarer than from estrogen. IGF-1 can also cause gyno, and most AAS raise levels.



So if you take an anti-e, it can help. As I just said, Prog is an E2 agonist which could lead to gyno, lower the E2 lower the chances of that happening.

There is also the explanation (which seems rather fictional to me) that since anti-e slightly lower IGF-1, this can help fight gyno.

Since Prog may be a Prolactin agonist, Cabergoline (dostinex) may block that area.

Then there is the winstrol debate. Winny does bind with the PR and may block it. Problems is, nobody really knows wether nandrolone or winny has the highest affinity to it. Thats kinda a cross your fingers protection.



Bromo sucks. Dostinex is so much better.

Dostinex with Aromasin and you should have no worries about any gyno caused by 19nor substances.

Sorry if I dont post my sources, but this is pretty much common knowledge from the field I study and I just dont feel like it to be honest.

My advice, when lookin up answers, you have to stay away from biased sites. Especially ones on HRT...so much incorrect stuff its pathetic

[Gettin'Old]

Can the bromocriptine or Dopergin be found at any of the research sites? If so, what are the products called that contain them?

Thanks.

Hella post by the way.

[Gettin'Old]

Er . . . now I've read Billy's post. Can you get the Dostinex and Aromasin from any of the research sites?

[mmaximus25]

Billy,
You’ve cleared up alot... I don’t think you need to give sources but It would be interesting to know what field you study since you say it is pretty much common knowledge... Do you study in an endocrinology field? I think we can use your scenario to find documented data so we can accomplish the point of the thread... I think we were attempting to solidify an answer to a problem and not just offer undocumented knowledge as its been done so many times... So you see we are still not done... The best input so far though...
I'm not saying that I disagree In fact your scenario makes alot of sense as to why people just say deca converts to progesterone... I also feel that the high levels of estrogen and a dysfunctional HPTA contributing to screwed up hormonal messages, then without the use of proper anti-e's and anti-aromo's have more to do with suffering from Gyno than anything...


I've never taken Dostinex and I wonder does it come with the same sides as bromo and Dopergin?
I don’t have tons of money but I found Dopergin and nolvadex not as a prevention but treatment for my gyno worked very well. The Dopergin was considerably less than Dostinex or bromo and I took the smallest dose one tab broken in quarters 4 times a day along with 40 to 60mg of nolvadex... My treatment lasted for 4 weeks before my sides occurred and that’s when I lowered my dosage and began cycling my treatments. Again I say not as prevention but treatment my combo worked extremely well...

As for prevention not treatment, do you thing liquidex and Dopergin along with nolvadex serve just as well. I look at things as far as pocket book also.... other wise it would be everything top notch, ya know...

Gettin old these drugs are sold by the stated name.

Dopergin contains: Lisuride Hydrogen Maleate
Dostinex contains: Cabergoline
Bromocriptine contains: bromocriptine mesylate

I happen to go to Mexico and grab my Dopergin but maybe some else can PM you with where you can pick what you’re looking for... so I'll bump

Wow..so much misinformation in this thread lmfao!


Where to start...

Deca DOES NOT aromatize to Progesterone, but can to dihydronandrolone, which is a weak AR agonist. Deca is also weakend by the 5AR

Nandrolone is PR agonistic, and the PR can alter its structure. (This is where the myth of Deca>Progesterone comes from..not really, its more like a wanna be progesterone, but seems to act somewhat like progesterone). Progesterone is an E2 agonist, and believed by many also a prolactin agonist (this is why many take bromo or dostinex for deca and fina).

Both prolactin and progesteron receptors can be found in the mammary gland and can cause gyno, but it is rarer than from estrogen. IGF-1 can also cause gyno, and most AAS raise levels.



So if you take an anti-e, it can help. As I just said, Prog is an E2 agonist which could lead to gyno, lower the E2 lower the chances of that happening.

There is also the explanation (which seems rather fictional to me) that since anti-e slightly lower IGF-1, this can help fight gyno.

Since Prog may be a Prolactin agonist, Cabergoline (dostinex) may block that area.

Then there is the winstrol debate. Winny does bind with the PR and may block it. Problems is, nobody really knows wether nandrolone or winny has the highest affinity to it. Thats kinda a cross your fingers protection.



Bromo sucks. Dostinex is so much better.

Dostinex with Aromasin and you should have no worries about any gyno caused by 19nor substances.

Sorry if I dont post my sources, but this is pretty much common knowledge from the field I study and I just dont feel like it to be honest.

My advice, when lookin up answers, you have to stay away from biased sites. Especially ones on HRT...so much incorrect stuff its pathetic

[Billy_Bathgate]

Goto PubMed.com and search in key words you are interested in and you can find most of the studies I have seen before on the issues. Ive seen them and read them before, as well as in text books, so I know they are out there if you want to find them bad enough.

Other than that, Im studying medicine and currently am running a lab at one of the top drug companies in the world. (PM if your dying to know where, I wont publicly post it though). Im not in endocrinology, emergency medicine. But on the side call it my "minor" so to speak. Diabetes, hypothyroidism, and low test counts all run in my family, so Ive had an interest in the field way before I ever came on the boards or was into lifting really. lol, common knowledge was me just being a smart ass.

Most of my info is straight from biochem classes / books though.

Dostinex...goto Yahoo! and type it. Youll find lots of pharmacies that carry it. Its not controlled and you will find it along with Viagra, as it greatly increases sex drive. I got mine from samples by different doctors. .5mg E3D is plenty really, so it may be expensive for 4mg, but realise thats a months worth.

Ive done bromo and dostinex. I hated bromo, felt like shit. Havent had any sides with dostinex though. Sex drive alone is worth it to me and the girlfriend Off the top of my head, I think dostinex half life is about 4 days, could be wrong though.

[Billy_Bathgate]

As for prevention not treatment, do you thing liquidex and Dopergin along with nolvadex serve just as well. I look at things as far as pocket book also.... other wise it would be everything top notch, ya know...

ya, i was just stating my own preference. I find aromasin cheaper than liquidex though as it is stronger than arimidex.

[ColdSore]

so dostinex will help against deca gyno...what about fina??????????

[mmaximus25]

Goto PubMed.com and search in key words you are interested in and you can find most of the studies I have seen before on the issues. Ive seen them and read them before, as well as in text books, so I know they are out there if you want to find them bad enough.
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Ive done bromo and dostinex. I hated bromo, felt like shit. Havent had any sides with dostinex though. Sex drive alone is worth it to me and the girlfriend Off the top of my head, I think dostinex half life is about 4 days, could be wrong though.

ya, i was just stating my own preference. I find aromasin cheaper than liquidex though as it is stronger than arimidex.

Thx bro... that was a great help. I emailed a buddy, (well he's a internal medicine doctor that uses AAS) about Dostinex dosage for treatment not prevention with Gyno and although I know he's a Dr. I was thinking a dose once or twice a day was a little extreme because of the half-life. On the Q & A thread that Jason started I revised the dosage range to .125 - .25mg once or twice a day for treatment. I know first hand the dosage range of bromo or dopergin for treatment but I still think a once or twice a day of Dostinex may be a little extreme or possibly the best dosage... Do you think he's only being aggressive? Instead of e3d he's basically recommending using a .5mg tab broken up in quarters and taking a .125mg dose everyday.
Since I've never used Dostinex I would like to get some input so the wrong info is not sent out. I will be experimenting with the Dos very soon though....
THX for the response..

[PumP~N~Swole]

Er . . . now I've read Billy's post. Can you get the Dostinex and Aromasin from any of the research sites?

I agree, I will be starting test and deca soon and will have no where to turn if I get deca gyno, #1 reason is I have no idea where to find Dostinex or bromo. Like gettingold asked is there a research site that offers any of these. If so Please someone PM me thanks guys cause lord knows No one wants boobies .

~PNS~

[ColdSore]

I agree, I will be starting test and deca soon and will have no where to turn if I get deca gyno, #1 reason is I have no idea where to find Dostinex or bromo. Like gettingold asked is there a research site that offers any of these. If so Please someone PM me thanks guys cause lord knows No one wants boobies .

~PNS~

Im with you to pump...im fixing to add fina to my deca cycle and it would be nice to know that i can order some bromo...but the bad news is ive looked and cant find it...

if anyone has any info please pm me please...and pump too

[Billy_Bathgate]

Use Yahoo!

Seriously, TYPE "BUT BROMOCRYPTINE" or "BUY DOSTINEX"

Its not controlled, it should be very easy for anyone to find with using Yahoo!

[ColdSore]

Thanks Billy...

[Gynosis]

Great info!
I have gyno bad on my left side. Currently taking Liqua-Letro and Nolva.

Mmaximus, is Liqua letro and Liqua Dex similar? If I would have read this post prior I would have bought the Liqua Dex. Should I get some Liqua Dex also? I was told Liqua Letro and Ferama were the same.

Also I know this is against board protocal but if anyone has a tested site for proviron pls PM me the URL...

BUMP!! Best info. I have read yet!

[Gynosis]

Man I will do both if it will help..

[Grand_Cannons]

Use Yahoo!

Seriously, TYPE "BUT BROMOCRYPTINE" or "BUY DOSTINEX"

Its not controlled, it should be very easy for anyone to find with using Yahoo!

I did but all I could find is places that was wanting prescriptions first. Or I found like steroids urls sites which could be fakes. Dunno I really need to find it tho when I do my deca and tren.

[rangerdudeleads]

I have used bromo when using deca in the past and it does the job fine, i have taken armidex while on a deca cycle and got worried cause I felt I was getting symptoms of gyno so I started using bromo if deca was involved and have always been satisfied with it, I have read in the past that liquidex,armidex will counter estrogen levels which will hinder gains but at the same time prevent gyno and bromo counters progestorone which also hinders gains cause when I take bromo it takes my appetite away. I hope this helps a little

[Billy_Bathgate]

I did but all I could find is places that was wanting prescriptions first. Or I found like steroids urls sites which could be fakes. Dunno I really need to find it tho when I do my deca and tren.

look for the ones that give you a free consultation for one, those are the ones i meant. that way its also completely legal too (other wise i woudlnt be posting about it lol)

[BASK8KACE]

Billy,

Great to have you chime in on this thread, bro. So, give us the down and dirty, quick and to-the-point, final word on Arimidex (and Liquidex)...

Can Arimidex (Liquidex) prevent Deca related gyno? Yes or no?