the amazement of tren

**boundup** · 05-03-2011, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by THE-DET-OAK

hey man just want to throw this out there, 25mg of prop EOD is 87.5mg a week, less than what we can produce naturally (when factoring ester weight). have you ran your T this low before with other cycles?

EDIT: I guess i should have asked if that is ED or EOD dosing first.

Great question; I am shooting ED - so about 175mg a week. I am on TRT and have been shutdown for going on 8 months already. I am prescribed 200mg test cyp per week for TRT. I am fully diagnosed hypogonadal or whatever it's called.

I will say this shit is starting to hit me pretty hard. I am feeling like superman right now.

**MBMETC** · 05-03-2011, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by boundup

Great question; I am shooting ED - so about 175mg a week. I am on TRT and have been shutdown for going on 8 months already. I am prescribed 200mg test cyp per week for TRT. I am fully diagnosed hypogonadal or whatever it's called.

I will say this shit is starting to hit me pretty hard. I am feeling like superman right now.

thats good to hear

**THE-DET-OAK** · 05-03-2011, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by boundup

Great question; I am shooting ED - so about 175mg a week. I am on TRT and have been shutdown for going on 8 months already. I am prescribed 200mg test cyp per week for TRT. I am fully diagnosed hypogonadal or whatever it's called.

I will say this shit is starting to hit me pretty hard. I am feeling like superman right now.

thats a good cycle man-roughly what Im on right now-too many people run their T too high with tren and it just basically wastes the tren.

**dec11** · 05-04-2011, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by THE-DET-OAK

thats a good cycle man-roughly what Im on right now-too many people run their T too high with tren and it just basically wastes the tren.

rubbish

**THE-DET-OAK** · 05-04-2011, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

rubbish

and another empty post as usual.

dec you only have so many receptors, with too much test your wasting some tren-wether you want to believe it or not, if its rubbish why dont you explain why...................oh wait cause you said so, ok cool

tren is five times as androgenic than test, i guess no matter how much test you shoot you will still have plenty of receptors left over for the tren right???? oh yea its called anrogen receptor competition. kind of like how a SERM competes for the E receptor and wins, then the E cant attach to it............................

**dec11** · 05-03-2011, 02:04 PM

vascularity will remain with low bf.while on tren a bf fell off me, its remarkable stuff

**MACHINE5150** · 05-03-2011, 03:07 PM

I'm gonna run 75mg Tren A and 100mg of Test P Ed 8 weeks on two weeks off than 8 weeks on... was gonna run NPP then the tren but i don't wanna wait another 2 months to start.. just waiting on my powders to get here and then i will be on a role.

**THE-DET-OAK** · 05-03-2011, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

I'm gonna run 75mg Tren A and 100mg of Test P Ed 8 weeks on two weeks off than 8 weeks on... was gonna run NPP then the tren but i don't wanna wait another 2 months to start.. just waiting on my powders to get here and then i will be on a role.

ive done it both ways machine. running your tren higher is way better IMHO. since test and tren both compete for the same receptor, its silly to run more than say 350mg a week of T with your tren.

**MBMETC** · 05-04-2011, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by THE-DET-OAK

ive done it both ways machine. running your tren higher is way better IMHO. since test and tren both compete for the same receptor, its silly to run more than say 350mg a week of T with your tren.

just coming to realize this and lowered my prop to 50mg ed and bumped the tren to 75mg ed and do feel the tren doing its thing again. its my first time with tren and trying to find that sweet spot is gonna take a litle tweaking..

**sixey** · 05-04-2011, 07:27 AM

starting my prop/tren a cycle in about 4-6 weeks, im cutting down to 7-8% natty and then will be lean bulking with tren for 8 weeks, going to look diesel this summer

**Windex** · 05-04-2011, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

just coming to realize this and lowered my prop to 50mg ed and bumped the tren to 75mg ed and do feel the tren doing its thing again. its my first time with tren and trying to find that sweet spot is gonna take a litle tweaking..

How many weeks is your cycle ?

**MBMETC** · 05-04-2011, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by windex

how many weeks is your cycle ?

8 weeks

**MACHINE5150** · 05-04-2011, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by THE-DET-OAK

ive done it both ways machine. running your tren higher is way better IMHO. since test and tren both compete for the same receptor, its silly to run more than say 350mg a week of T with your tren.

yeah.. i see what you are saying.. basically just run enough test to counter the prolactin issue that arises with all 19-nors.. and let the tren do the rest of the work.

What do you recon about 75mg of each test p and tren a ED.. my powders get here next wed.. so i have a few days to figure this out..

**dec11** · 05-04-2011, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

yeah.. i see what you are saying.. basically just run enough test to counter the prolactin issue that arises with all 19-nors.. and let the tren do the rest of the work.

What do you recon about 75mg of each test p and tren a ED.. my powders get here next wed.. so i have a few days to figure this out..

doesnt work tht way, nothing will combat 19nor sides except caber, bromo etc

**MACHINE5150** · 05-04-2011, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by dec11

doesnt work tht way, nothing will combat 19nor sides except caber, bromo etc

Sorry i was unclear in what i was trying to say.. test to counter the tren dick.. which is a side of higher prolactin (correct me if i'm wrong)??

***D7M*** · 05-04-2011, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by dec11

doesnt work tht way, nothing will combat 19nor sides except caber, bromo etc

I'd actually use an AI to control Estrogen and that will take care of any other 19nor sides.

**TOkidd** · 05-03-2011, 07:07 PM

After all I've heard about Tren, I've often wondered: can it replace test? In other words, if one was to do a straight test cycle to gain strength and muscle mass, would it be better to run Tren on own its instead?

For someone who's looking to eventually do their first test cycle, I've often wondered if tren would be better. Of course it would be best to mix the two, but I can't do that at this point for various reasons.

**BigandStrong** · 05-03-2011, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by TOkidd

After all I've heard about Tren, I've often wondered: can it replace test? In other words, if one was to do a straight test cycle to gain strength and muscle mass, would it be better to run Tren on own its instead?

For someone who's looking to eventually do their first test cycle, I've often wondered if tren would be better. Of course it would be best to mix the two, but I can't do that at this point for various reasons.

No tren cannot replace test. Test is the base of all cycles for a reason. The male human body needs testosterone for normal functioning, well-being, male characteristics, and innumerable other things. If you run tren by itself you will no doubt shutdown your own test production. That's where synthetic test comes in. Without it you risk having tons of negative side effects like depression, loss of appetite,tren dick just to name a few. Besides, running test with the tren will result in better gains so why wouldn't you want to?

**Rosco901** · 05-06-2011, 07:23 AM

Im just away to start a 10 week cycle of test E and Tren A all this talk about tren sounds good, i take ages to sleep anyway so not looking forward to any insomnia lol although im sure the gains would be worth it!

Any one running HCG through there cycle?

**bugsysiegals** · 05-03-2011, 08:16 PM

Looking to do my 3rd cycle here in another 2 months and am eager to bulk up after doing a cutting cycle which made me loose a good deal of size. My body fat is right around 10-12% and am wondering if I did a Tren cycle and ate like crazy to bulk up if I'd still lose a good deal of fat if I continue my 7 days a week 1 hour of cardio every morning on an empty stomach? Or do I need to eat moderately to gain a little and lose a little?

Also, was considering my 3rd cycle to be Test/Deca/EQ ... you think Tren would blow that out of the water? Just kinda scared Tren may be bad as hell for you compared to the other stuff so wondering if I should stick to the original plan or hit the Tren.

**THE-DET-OAK** · 05-03-2011, 08:18 PM

tren is the only compound i can eat lil and still put on lean muscle, if the dose is high enough. maybe you should start a new thread though im sure you would get more feedback. dont forget to put your age with your stats.

**VegasRenegade** · 05-04-2011, 08:31 AM

What does everone think of a test Cyp and Tren as a first cycle

**sa160002** · 05-04-2011, 09:04 AM

I did a Tren/test run last summer/fall. I had great results. I added almost 20 lbs and kept 15 of it. Luckily my BF has always been low. Two sides for me, I sweat like hell all day every day and my cardio went way down. Going up one flight of steps had me huffing and sweating. (I normally run 2-3 miles 2-3 days a week). Both were small prices to pay for the results I got from it.

**MACHINE5150** · 05-04-2011, 11:15 AM

grand.. i will order some today. thanx for the info mate!!

**dec11** · 05-04-2011, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

grand.. i will order some today. thanx for the info mate!!

no prob

**boundup** · 05-04-2011, 11:41 AM

I can smell the tren in my piss. My g/f mentioned in the other day. She said my pee smelled really weird. Other than that, I feel like I am bench press a bus.

**kawizx10** · 05-04-2011, 01:01 PM

I have run a few tren and prop cycles. 10 weeks tren @ 75mg EOD and 12weeks prop @ 100mgs EOD... I have never experienced prolactin sides. I did get some cabergoline just in case, but im a beliver in run your test higher and longer then everything else and you will get fewer sides. IMHO

Just curious, if your not gyno prone is there a point to take an AI or SERM ? or just have on hand for insurance....

Personally I have never run any with my cycle, i use as PCT only....

**MBMETC** · 05-04-2011, 01:23 PM