fat and powerlifting

[lifter65]

i'll pm you both, just know that i dont mean to fight with you, this is just to back up what im saying

[lifter65]

no hard feelings brad, but i would hate to be one of your athletes, id get crushed on the field!

[brad1986]

no hard feelings brad, but i would hate to be one of your athletes, id get crushed on the field!

Never said heavy lifting is not implemented but it is def not 100% of the workout. And to say your an athlete because you can pick up 1000lbs is stupid and i garentee you look shitty with a shirt off

[lifter65]

Never said heavy lifting is not implemented but it is def not 100% of the workout. And to say your an athlete because you can pick up 1000lbs is stupid and i garentee you look shitty with a shirt off

lol im 170 pounds and bigd saw my lifts so he knows im legit dude, im not fat but i used to have extra weight when i played football, 60 pounds in a year, and guess what? i increased my dead and squats by major poundage and with all that weight still ran sub 5 40 yard dash, even improving over the year b4 when i was only 170

[terraj]

Lol...this guy trains people, but can't see how a big squat can give functional strength.

Let me guess.....Your one of those trainers who has the overweight chicks sitting on a balance ball for a core muscle workout.

I now name you "Balance ball Brad", arise good sir

[brad1986]

I stick to the fact that its a lazy mans workout because you spend 2/3rds of your workout sitiing around resting. Lets run a mile together and see how you guys do.

[brad1986]

dude your an idiot terraj. I didnt say squats wernt functional i said squatting with knee braces and benching with suits and using wt lifting belts are unfuntional. Telling me that basing your whole "workout" on resting 50 out of 60 mins is good for athletics is a joke. Wake up to the yeaer 2011 no squatting 1000lbs one time is not going to be beneficial over all. Please answer some of my above questions and maybe youll have some credit. Ya lift for 10 seconds rest for 3 mins.... thats a good use of your time seeing as no sports are played that way. And judging form your avitar you look like a fat guy too... my point exactly. Overweight guys need a sport they can hold onto. I do heavy squats all the time but that doesnt make me a powerlifter. I showed 2 other trainers/ pro mma fighters this forum and they laughed at you guys. I work in a gym and have for years do what you want but my knowlege is cutting edge and eventually youll realize its not the 80's anymore and there is much more to fitness then how much wt you can move for one rep

[terraj]

sorry...web link issues

[terraj]

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[terraj]

dude your an idiot terraj. I didnt say squats wernt functional i said squatting with knee braces and benching with suits and using wt lifting belts are unfuntional. Telling me that basing your whole "workout" on resting 50 out of 60 mins is good for athletics is a joke. Wake up to the yeaer 2011 no squatting 1000lbs one time is not going to be beneficial over all. Please answer some of my above questions and maybe youll have some credit. Ya lift for 10 seconds rest for 3 mins.... thats a good use of your time seeing as no sports are played that way. And judging form your avitar you look like a fat guy too... my point exactly. Overweight guys need a sport they can hold onto. I do heavy squats all the time but that doesnt make me a powerlifter. I showed 2 other trainers/ pro mma fighters this forum and they laughed at you guys. I work in a gym and have for years do what you want but my knowlege is cutting edge and eventually youll realize its not the 80's anymore and there is much more to fitness then how much wt you can move for one rep

Oh...looks like I hit a nerve with "Balance Ball Brad".

Can I call you BBB for short?

It's the internet so I can say anything...I'm not a powerlifter or a BB, but I have trained both ways (powerlifting/BB) and fought at a good level both in OZ and Japan many years ago...in saying this, IMO powerlifting gave me much more athletically.
I've trained with some good powerlifters, their focus and zone was awesome and it was very rarely that they lifted in the way that you seem to think all of them lift...single lift with a lot of rest....only when training for max, which is a small part of their training in terms of time.

Post yourt pics big mouth.

I'm guessing 1986 was the year you graced us with your presence.....and you know it al already

[terraj]

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[hoyle21]

dude your an idiot terraj. I didnt say squats wernt functional i said squatting with knee braces and benching with suits and using wt lifting belts are unfuntional. Telling me that basing your whole "workout" on resting 50 out of 60 mins is good for athletics is a joke. Wake up to the yeaer 2011 no squatting 1000lbs one time is not going to be beneficial over all. Please answer some of my above questions and maybe youll have some credit. Ya lift for 10 seconds rest for 3 mins.... thats a good use of your time seeing as no sports are played that way. And judging form your avitar you look like a fat guy too... my point exactly. Overweight guys need a sport they can hold onto. I do heavy squats all the time but that doesnt make me a powerlifter. I showed 2 other trainers/ pro mma fighters this forum and they laughed at you guys. I work in a gym and have for years do what you want but my knowlege is cutting edge and eventually youll realize its not the 80's anymore and there is much more to fitness then how much wt you can move for one rep

Have you ever watched a football game? The average play lasts about 6 seconds. The average football game consists of 11 minutes of action, the other 75 minutes is players standing around.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...055561406.html

[24tyrone]

LOL threads been getting live,been at work all day so just had time to check now, i totallys disagree with man saying powerliftngs a lazy sport, i think its much harder than bodybulding, anyone can get big with the right diet gear etc but give the same guy that gear and see if he can lift some of the weights pl are lifting- no beef ting guys dont get mad at each other im just saying i dont think its STRONG to be lifting something you could do being much lighter- i started to think 2 years back was 116kg ish feeling huge n strong invincible deadlifting 250kg for 7 to get challenged and see a 98kg guy lift more-****ed with my head- one love

[brad1986]

BOTTOM LINE- Squats/deadlifts/ power cleans/ clean and press/ military press should be part of EVERY ROUTINE!!! My argument is that if that is all you focus on you are completly one dimentional and not a functional athlete. Ask any current certified trainer or sports therepist or conditioning coach that has gotten his information withing the last 10 years. they will agree 100%. How can you seriously argue that FACT. If all you care about is how much wt you can lift one or 2 times then wtf ever but dont call yourself a dedicated athlete.

[brad1986]

195lbs and 5'10 and 12%bf is def not a small guy. I can bench press 315lbs for 2 reps. That is not weak by anymeans... The differecne is while getting bigger and stronger i refused to sacrifice my explosiveness and endurance just so i can spend 2 hours doing 30 mins worth of work

[Sidney]

fat and power lifting are entirely different things from each others. but we have to keep in mind that with the use of the power lifting we can easily lose the weight.

[sizzlechest]

Just look at this guy, Fat and strong as an Ox

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOA5RbAQWA8

[lifter65]

please dont bring up your degrees and certs, ive visited a gym before because i want to have my own like evenesh and defranco, thinking this guy knew his stuff(he had a degree in exercise kinesiology), well it ended up being painful to my eyes, he told me that i need to get a cert to learn more about exercise or a degree, lol what a fakkin joke, that guy was a terrible trainer, anybody can get a cert just buy it offline, i will always only take advice from someone thats either very big, very strong, or both... experience>text books brad you only seem to have book knowledge, not in the trenches knowledge

[Bigd89]

Yes, brad. Lifter65 has potential to become a powerhouse, and he's only 19! He has my respect.

[brad1986]

Your right idk what I was thinking... Speed, agility, balance endurance... They play close to no role in athleticism what was I thinking. Lol. I find it funny that the title of this is fat and powerlifting and two of the guys arguing with me are fat. Maximum force production and strength are big parts of it too but if you want you and your athletes to be one dimensional go right ahead

[terraj]

Yo Triple B,

Where's them pics princess?

[MastaMan]

Yo Triple B,

Where's them pics princess?

Well handled Terraj & well defended BgMc!

[BgMc31]

One dimensional athletes, seriously dude? DeFranco has trained pro bowlers and heisman candidates. The athletes I've trained play at major D1 colleges and go on to play on Sundays. What's on your resume? And where are these "alarming" injuries coaches are inflicting on their kids? You are ridiculous! And the fact you are stooping to calling me fat, proves how juvenile you are, because at 12%, you aren't "ripped" to perfection either! And 315 for a double is weak, to me. Especially when I have 185lb, defensive backs, who are 16-17 years old who do more than that. So keep off a powerlifting site, when you know nothing of the sport.

And your ideas of football and what it takes to be successful in the sport is also laughable. It proves that you have never played the game. Go back to your crossfit and P90x, you have no place in real strength and conditioning and definitely no place in strength athletics.

[Braveone]

315 for two? Meh, that gives you about 325 for a single. That's a warm up in the 198's open division. Shit, I was doing that in my late 40's. I'm 53 and still getting stronger. That's functional strength brother, not fictional!

[Noles12]

Having played football in a major D1 program i can tell you the basis of all workouts is powerlifting. Sure we did the curls and the other little things but when it came to building strength we focused on Olympic lifts.

And brad what you are failing to see is powerlifting is not lifting the weight one time. Sure thats what you do when you compete but it takes a lot more than that to get to that point. I believe there are many guys that claim to be powerlifters based on their being fat and strong. I do not take them seriously. Unless you truly train and compete in powerlifting you are not a powerlifter. Its the same as a guy saying he is a bodybuilder yet he has never stepped on stage

[BgMc31]

I wanna know what this clowns athletic background is. I, too, played D1 ball and had a 9yr professional football career (4 in the NFL) and the basis for my workouts for my entire career was powerlifting.

[auslifta]

So much arrogance from triple B. Triple B is the type of person who gets a piece of paper and use's that as justification for their limited narrow minded view. Some advice triple b, keep your mind open, never comment on anothers choice of passion, and don't judge.

[omegagboost]

lol funny thread. sh*t, some dudes here seem to really know what they're talking about.

BgMc31, you should be my coach lol.

[RaZr]

Triple B, that's a great name. Where did you get your degree?

[quarry206]

I think there are so many good points in this whole thread, but are out weighed by the pure over generalizing of some people.

1. Anybody that truly does like power lifting or lifting in general should admit there are A LOT of guys that are fat and use power lifting as an excuse for being fat. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE POWER LIFTERS! I can call my mustang a lambo, doesn't mean it is one... there are a lot of guys that are 5'10'' 330lbs and think because they bench 500lb they are a power lifter. its BS and nearly offense to real lifters.

2. if you are truly power lifting you do gain more strength when you are at a higher BF so many do allow themselves to gain fat during their off season, no different than ANY sport! jay cutler, Anderson Silva, lebron james, Chad Johnson... none of these athletes stay the same weight year round, they all gain weight when not competing.

3. Power lifting in general allows you to be able to multi train. for example a football player can't get any benefit for having the biggest chest, but having the strongest chest he does. BUT he still needs just as much time outside the gym working on his form, moves and other parts of his "sports'" skill set.

true power lifting is about learning your CNS learning loads and deloads, about working on calorie intake and balance to maintain a weigh class, or if in open or 308+ you still have to keep your body healthy so your body can process oxygen to the muscles effectively.


Personally I use power lifting workouts anytime I am in the gym. I'm 5'8'' have competed as low as 198 but usually like being between 210-220. I raw bench 495 (going for 500lbs next week) squat and DL 550+.. still run my two miles for the military in less than 15minus and can do a 40 yard in 4.95 that's not lighting fast but i can move.


about the comment about Squatting 1000lbs for 1RM.. anybody that can truly do that can also probably do 400-500lbs about 20 times. which is more than you will find in any local gym. and since that max effort is so high the function strength of any normal task or event would not even be able to compare to a normal person.

[jypoll]

i dont care how much a dude weighs if you can squat 700lbs below parallel that is very very good, that is my life time goal. If you think a fat boy doing a 700lbs squat is only mediocre why dont you tray unracking 700lbs, dont even squat it just unrack it and see how it feels. I have also rarely seen anyone in the gym do full rom on a squat and soo many dude with arms bigger than legs bounce the bar off their chest and raise their hips on a bench. Every bench rep i lower to my chest, rest on my chest for 2 seconds then press with only movement occuring in my arms. Yes i do take upto 10 minutes between sets sometimes but the amount of energy expended in a 5 rep squat or deadlift set is hell of alot more than a bobybuilder will burn doing 10 different types of bicep curls. being that i am a powerlifter i dont care if i can run a few miles, part of powerlifting is sacrificing endurance for strength. I bet if a non-powerlifter did a 5x5 and go to fail on the last set the way i do, and do this properly, you would immediately understand why i sit for most of my workout and need to waddle home. No lazy person can do a Proper! set of 5-10 squats or deadlifts to fail. It can take 10 years or more of hard training to squat 700lbs at any bodyweight, how is 10 years of hard work Not dedication?? Also for those of you who think geared suit lifting is "cheating" realize that it is a different sport from raw lifting and requires alot of technique. If you were properly fitted with a bench shirt i bet you cant even bench your raw max in it the first time because you have not yet learned the technique.

[dec11]

as a former comp plifter and exercise/fitness professional im appalled and shocked at brad1986's comments

[rockinred]

Wtf....nobody needs to argue with this dude who said this shit about powerlifters being fat and that their workouts were easy. That statement in itself shows that this guy clearly knows absolutely nothing about the sport. Then his best defense was that he knew cause his dad was one? What an embarrassment and foolish statement.

[rockinred]

Also, all of us who have been on this board for a while know BgMc is for real. If this brad does not like pwlifting....fine. Don't pop in this area of board and say these things. Just ridiculous.

[quarry206]

Also, all of us who have been on this board for a while know BgMc is for real. If this brad does not like pwlifting....fine. Don't pop in this area of board and say these things. Just ridiculous.

could not agree more..

the fact of the matter is, this forum as a whole is for people working out, and we talk help and go over all types of workout types and plans even though most are body building.. as much as this board as a whole hates P90X i have seen alot of people helping others with the course even if they don't agree with it..

[Fred40]

All I can say is that I come from more of a "bodybuilding" background. Multiple sets for 10-12 reps etc...

Did that for many years.

Now I've started a powerlifting routine (Starting Strength) for the first time in my life......these workouts are harder in every since of the word. Part of that I'm sure is the learning curve. I've never been so winded from lifting as I was after doing my first set of power cleans! And standing barbell military presses take a lot more out of me than doing sitting lateral dumbbell raises.

[youngbody]

this is great. how could someone saying powerlifting isn't athletic...

[mirin_serratus]

kinda of agree, but thats what happens when you don't have weight restrictions in the heavy weight division, look at oly lifters in the lower weight divisions atg squatting 4-5 their bw, they're all shredded as fuuu

[yannick35]

Powerlifters deserve all the credit in the world, i got seriously injured doing it 10 years ago with terrible forms on squatting and deadlifting. If a true powerlifter was around that would not have happened.

Lift must be perform with serious attention to forms or you can pay for it dearly. I will never squat again nor deadlift due to my injury but i have the ultimate respect for theses guys and the amount of weight they can lift.

Note that going all out on a max squat lift can get you a serious cardio workout.

[Bloodyshins]

Brad1986, you don't have a clue!