S4 (33mg/day) x 12 weeks. Var (35mg/day) x 6 weeks. MK (15mg/day) x 3 weeks. PCT?

[Furious.George]

Maybe I don't need it.

Maybe I can just use the rest of my MK for a few weeks instead.

I hear these don't suppress much (or at all in the case of MK), so maybe I can just ride it out?

Otherwise, I have some tamoxifen and letro on hand.

Was thinking of 5mg and 1.25mg per day for a month or so, respectively.

I can get HCG, but, again, I don't think I need it.

[dec11]

by s4 do you mean sarms? and whats mk? coding not necessary.

35mgs var = nothing.


age and stats?

[Knockout_Power]

I see a huge waste of time and money. You are not going to see much from this proposed "cycle" if you can call it that

[dec11]

I see a huge waste of time and money. You are not going to see much from this proposed "cycle" if you can call it that

x2, i dont know what its supposed to be!

[Knockout_Power]

Im seeing more and more "cycles" like this popping up. People who dont want to pin, so they rely on a lot of orals without understanding what they are doing completely. Orals are a really easy sale and make the most amount of money for a dealer so they are pushing like crazy in almost every high school.. scary shit

[MeatHead85]

Im seeing more and more "cycles" like this popping up. People who dont want to pin, so they rely on a lot of orals without understanding what they are doing completely. Orals are a really easy sale and make the most amount of money for a dealer so they are pushing like crazy in almost every high school.. scary shit

If you can't pin then you shouldn't even consider AAS...

[Furious.George]

by s4 do you mean sarms? and whats mk? coding not necessary.
35mgs var = nothing.
age and stats?

Age 30, 190lbs, 15% BF and dropping.

MK is MK2866, and yes S4 as in the SARM.

x2, i dont know what its supposed to be!

If you can't pin then you shouldn't even consider AAS...

I see a huge waste of time and money. You are not going to see much from this proposed "cycle" if you can call it that

Im seeing more and more "cycles" like this popping up. People who dont want to pin, so they rely on a lot of orals without understanding what they are doing completely. Orals are a really easy sale and make the most amount of money for a dealer so they are pushing like crazy in almost every high school.. scary shit

I use GH @ 5IU/day. Does that count as pinning, or does it need to be IM?

Anyway, I'm really happy with my results, and my cycle was anabolic enough to prevent me from losing muscle @ 150mcg/day of T3. Even in the winter with all this heavy clothes I get comments, even a few people asking if I'm "on roids".

Had I known then what I know now, I wouldn't have done a thing different (except maybe make the S4 cycle shorter, and use more Var).

It sounds like you guys think my cycle was mild enough that there is no need for PCT, right?

I don't believe anyone answered that question directly.

[dec11]

Age 30, 190lbs, 15% BF and dropping.

MK is MK2866, and yes S4 as in the SARM.









I use GH @ 5IU/day. Does that count as pinning, or does it need to be IM?

Anyway, I'm really happy with my results, and my cycle was anabolic enough to prevent me from losing muscle @ 150mcg/day of T3. Even in the winter with all this heavy clothes I get comments, even a few people asking if I'm "on roids".

Had I known then what I know now, I wouldn't have done a thing different (except maybe make the S4 cycle shorter, and use more Var).

It sounds like you guys think my cycle was mild enough that there is no need for PCT, right?

I don't believe anyone answered that question directly.

man you're only 190lbs lol, where do you live, Lilliput?

190lbs and 15% is nothing to write home about if you want it honestly. if you're so happy with this, what do you need us for?

you've been told that anavar is a waste at that paltry dosage and the only thing that would require a pct. from what ive heard the whole S4 thing is BS.

[Furious.George]

man you're only 190lbs lol, where do you live, Lilliput?

190lbs and 15% is nothing to write home about if you want it honestly. if you're so happy with this, what do you need us for?

Lol @ Lilliput. I wasn't bragging. You asked so I answered. Anyway, my goal was to increase strength and decrease body fat, and I've achieved both so far. When I started I was a lot tubbier, a lot weaker, and injured to boot.

What I need you guys for is to tell me if this cycle requires PCT, and it sounds like you say it doesn't.

you've been told that anavar is a waste at that paltry dosage and the only thing that would require a pct. from what ive heard the whole S4 thing is BS.

Like I said, I'd be happy to try again with more var. I read in a few places that the minimum dose was 50mg/day, but I figured since I was also stacking the SARMs that I could get away with a little less.

However, I have to say I was pretty impressed with S4. The effects did quickly drop off after 6 weeks (around when night-vision improved). I've never used any other gear, so I have no frame of reference to compare it, but I'd use it again. If you're going to tell me that IM T works faster and better I would believe it, but my goal was never to get as big as I could as fast as I could.

If given the choice between gear and keeping my hair, I'd chose the latter and go all natty in a sec. That's why I went with such a non-androgenic stack. I suspect that in this regard my values do not align with those of the rest of the forum, which may be why you're all looking at me like I have two heads and three faces. In fact, my source "threw in" 100 x 10mg of D-bol, and I didn't use it because I didn't feel I needed it and I realize it's more androgenic than the others, especially when used concurrently with 5ar inhibitors. In other words, I chose protecting my follicles over a few lbs of LBM. That must really blow your mind.

Anyway, thanks again for the constructive criticism again, and I even think I detected an implied answer to my question there. You think that var would be the only thing that suppresses, and that I didn't use enough to necessitate PCT.

There is one important thing I forgot to mention: speaking of hair I've been using 5ar inhibitors for many years. I suspect that, along with my high BF percentage would make me more susceptible to estrogenic sides after my cycle. Does that change anything as far as my need for PCT?

Thanks again, and sorry for leaving that last bit out in my OP.

[dec11]

Lol @ Lilliput. I wasn't bragging. You asked so I answered. Anyway, my goal was to increase strength and decrease body fat, and I've achieved both so far. When I started I was a lot tubbier, a lot weaker, and injured to boot.

What I need you guys for is to tell me if this cycle requires PCT, and it sounds like you say it doesn't.



Like I said, I'd be happy to try again with more var. I read in a few places that the minimum dose was 50mg/day, but I figured since I was also stacking the SARMs that I could get away with a little less.

However, I have to say I was pretty impressed with S4. The effects did quickly drop off after 6 weeks (around when night-vision improved). I've never used any other gear, so I have no frame of reference to compare it, but I'd use it again. If you're going to tell me that IM T works faster and better I would believe it, but my goal was never to get as big as I could as fast as I could.

If given the choice between gear and keeping my hair, I'd chose the latter and go all natty in a sec. That's why I went with such a non-androgenic stack. I suspect that in this regard my values do not align with those of the rest of the forum, which may be why you're all looking at me like I have two heads and three faces. In fact, my source "threw in" 100 x 10mg of D-bol, and I didn't use it because I didn't feel I needed it and I realize it's more androgenic than the others, especially when used concurrently with 5ar inhibitors. In other words, I chose protecting my follicles over a few lbs of LBM. That must really blow your mind.

Anyway, thanks again for the constructive criticism again, and I even think I detected an implied answer to my question there. You think that var would be the only thing that suppresses, and that I didn't use enough to necessitate PCT.

There is one important thing I forgot to mention: speaking of hair I've been using 5ar inhibitors for many years. I suspect that, along with my high BF percentage would make me more susceptible to estrogenic sides after my cycle. Does that change anything as far as my need for PCT

Thanks again, and sorry for leaving that last bit out in my OP.

man what are you on about?! and where did i say PCT wasnt required, i did say that anavar dose is a waste of time.

you obviously have no clue about AAS or what you are doing and by the sounds of it you wont want to listen either and THATS why ppl look at you as if you've two heads. so im out........

[dec11]

oh jesus, so you wait till the end of a cycle to determine whether you need PCT?!

40mgs per day tamox for the next 4wks.

please read up before you attempt to use again.....

[DanB]

a quick 2 min search brings up about 50 relevant threads on the subject mate

[gearbox]

everyone is different...here is a cody past from the steroid forum and you can decide what you want to do. "" Anavar will not totally shut down your HPTA, especially at lower doses (unlike testosterone , which will eventually do this even at a 100mg dose, or deca which will do it with a single 100mg dose). This could be due, at least partly, to the fact that Anavar doesn’t aromatize (convert to estrogen).
Serum testosterone , SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), and LH (Leutinizing Hormone ( will be slightly suppressed with low doses of Anavar , but less than with other compounds. FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone ) , IGF1 (Insulin Like Growth Factor 1) and GH (Growth Hormone ) will not be suppressed with a low dose of Anavar""

I would get blood work done a week after your done and see what it says, then you will have your answer on paper..

[Furious.George]

Thanks gearbox. You're the best. Unless you reply that there's something wrong with this I'll probably keep using the MK for two weeks just to be safe, as I've read it doesn't suppress at all, and then I'll get my bloodwork a week after that as you suggested.

Also, I could get DHT cream for the nips as gyno prophylaxis. Gyno is a concern for me since I've been on 5ar inhibitors for so long.

[dec11]

everyone is different...here is a cody past from the steroid forum and you can decide what you want to do. "" Anavar will not totally shut down your HPTA, especially at lower doses (unlike testosterone , which will eventually do this even at a 100mg dose, or deca which will do it with a single 100mg dose). This could be due, at least partly, to the fact that Anavar doesn’t aromatize (convert to estrogen).
Serum testosterone , SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), and LH (Leutinizing Hormone ( will be slightly suppressed with low doses of Anavar , but less than with other compounds. FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone ) , IGF1 (Insulin Like Growth Factor 1) and GH (Growth Hormone ) will not be suppressed with a low dose of Anavar""

I would get blood work done a week after your done and see what it says, then you will have your answer on paper..

thats outdated info, if you use any type of steroid you should PCT

[tasKer]

Anavar does not contain a C-17 alpha alkylated ion which makes it extremely safe and non-toxic to the liver. It also does not easily convert to estrogen like other steroids
As for toxicity of 17aa the only report i have to hand at the moment but will dig out more is:


From research conducted by Michael Mooney that this is particularly well noted with HIV patients who have been using Oxandrin, another brand name for oxandrolone Anavar is much less liver toxic than other 17-alpha alkylated steroids, probably because it is primarily metabolized outside of the liver, when metabolized, and much of it is excreted unchanged. At higher doses it can increase liver enzyme values, there seems to be no evidence that any cytotoxicity exists, as is the case with other 17-alpha alkylated steroids.


it can be run 10-12 week totally safe for the liver

[dec11]

Anavar does not contain a C-17 alpha alkylated ion which makes it extremely safe and non-toxic to the liver. It also does not easily convert to estrogen like other steroids
As for toxicity of 17aa the only report i have to hand at the moment but will dig out more is:


From research conducted by Michael Mooney that this is particularly well noted with HIV patients who have been using Oxandrin, another brand name for oxandrolone Anavar is much less liver toxic than other 17-alpha alkylated steroids, probably because it is primarily metabolized outside of the liver, when metabolized, and much of it is excreted unchanged. At higher doses it can increase liver enzyme values, there seems to be no evidence that any cytotoxicity exists, as is the case with other 17-alpha alkylated steroids.


it can be run 10-12 week totally safe for the liver

and this relates to PCT how?

[tasKer]

and this relates to PCT how?

var has low impact on HPTA (if short cycle is made, 6-8 week)....i suggest use low dose of clomid after cycle, 15 day at 50mg is fine...

[tasKer]

Oxandrin@, manufactured by Savient Pharmaceuticals, Inc., is an FDA approved
anabolic steroid (oxandrolone) used to treat involuntary weight loss caused by acute
or chronic injury, illness or infection. This anabolic steroid has the benefit of being
metabolized by the kidney rather than in the liver, like the other anabolic steroids,

Robert H. Demling, M.D.
Brigham and Women’s Hospital
Professor of Surgery
Harvard Medical School
Boston, MA

[DanB]

any1 can copy and post something, the trick is mate to make it relevant

[dec11]

oh jesus, is it any wonder ppl get infuriated in this forum?! it should come with a years supply of prozac.....

[Furious.George]

oh jesus, so you wait till the end of a cycle to determine whether you need PCT?!

I assumed from the start I would, but since my testicles didn't shrink I started to think that maybe I didn't. I already have a SERM and an AI on hand

40mgs per day tamox for the next 4wks.

Thanks! That's a lot more than I was expecting to hear from what I'd read.

please read up before you attempt to use again.....

I read like it was a part time job. It's not like info in this regard is totally consistent. Take this thread: had it fallen off after the first few posts a reasonable reader would determine that I wouldn't need PCT, since like you said 35mg var = nothing, var is the only thing that suppresses in my "non-cycle", and so why would I need to take PCT for "nothing"?

a quick 2 min search brings up about 50 relevant threads on the subject mate

I searched longer than that, and some threads were relevant, but none close enough to my situation for me to feel comfortable.

Thanks for your time.

var has low impact on HPTA (if short cycle is made, 6-8 week)....i suggest use low dose of clomid after cycle, 15 day at 50mg is fine...

Thanks, but all I have is Tamoxifen and Letrozole. Theoretically, I could get clomid for week 2 of PCT.

oh jesus, is it any wonder ppl get infuriated in this forum?! it should come with a years supply of prozac.....

Maybe it's a side-effect of all that extra T

Just kidding.

OK, I guess I'll just sit on the AI, and possibly use the SERM. Still not convinced what to do. Seems like, as per usual, opinion are varied.

[dec11]

I assumed from the start I would, but since my testicles didn't shrink I started to think that maybe I didn't. I already have a SERM and an AI on hand



Thanks! That's a lot more than I was expecting to hear from what I'd read.



I read like it was a part time job. It's not like info in this regard is totally consistent. Take this thread: had it fallen off after the first few posts a reasonable reader would determine that I wouldn't need PCT, since like you said 35mg var = nothing, var is the only thing that suppresses in my "non-cycle", and so why would I need to take PCT for "nothing"?



I searched longer than that, and some threads were relevant, but none close enough to my situation for me to feel comfortable.

Thanks for your time.



Thanks, but all I have is Tamoxifen and Letrozole. Theoretically, I could get clomid for week 2 of PCT.



Maybe it's a side-effect of all that extra T

Just kidding.

OK, I guess I'll just sit on the AI, and possibly use the SERM. Still not convinced what to do. Seems like, as per usual, opinion are varied.

'nothing' as in not a big enough dose for optimal results, doesnt mean PCT isnt required. also, your OP led me to be inclined that this was a cycle plan, not a conclusion of one

[Furious.George]

'nothing' as in not a big enough dose for optimal results, doesnt mean PCT isnt required. also, your OP led me to be inclined that this was a cycle plan, not a conclusion of one

OK, I get you know.

I'll try to be more clear in the future.

[dec11]

OK, I get you know.

I'll try to be more clear in the future.

it helps

[DanB]

prozac haha more like zispin