Why Rick Santorum will never be President.

[crazy_rocks]

i've seen his speeches from beginning to end. I want freedom from his religion. IMO he is a fanatic and scary. I dont want to live like its the 50's. I will vote for anyone over him

what do you mean? nobodies forcing you into a religious preference. you can still worship a garbage can or be atheist if you want.

[gixxerboy1]

what do you mean? nobodies forcing you into a religious preference. you can still worship a garbage can or be atheist if you want.

no but he will try push his religious beliefs into law. I dont need the bible making decision on what laws should or shouldnt be passed

[JohnnyVegas]

what do you mean? nobodies forcing you into a religious preference. you can still worship a garbage can or be atheist if you want.

None of us are afraid he will make us go to church.

[crazy_rocks]

no but he will try push his religious beliefs into law. I dont need the bible making decision on what laws should or shouldnt be passed

like no abortion?

[crazy_rocks]

None of us are afraid he will make us go to church.

i know i was being sarcastic but when someone says they want freedom from religion im gonna poke for specifics.

[gixxerboy1]

like no abortion?

or contraception, gay marriage, gays in the military, womans rights. His family and social beliefs are out of the 50's

[crazy_rocks]

or contraception, gay marriage, gays in the military, womans rights. His family and social beliefs are out of the 50's

contraception? if he personally doesnt like something thats one thing as long as he does not want to make them illegal which he does not. i know certain news outlets want it to look like that.

[gixxerboy1]

contraception? if he personally doesnt like something thats one thing as long as he does not want to make them illegal which he does not. i know certain news outlets want it to look like that.

some states are trying to do it. He may not head up the cause but i dont think he will block it if it comes up.
The guy doesnt agree with prenatal testing

[crazy_rocks]

some states are trying to do it. He may not head up the cause but i dont think he will block it if it comes up.
The guy doesnt agree with prenatal testing

hopefully that ban is unsuccessful. hes actually been asked and he doesnt think it should be banned.

there are a lot of people who say they want freedom from religion who are pretty extreme in what they say. even though i disagree with you on some things your concerns are pretty normal. personally i would classify your concerns under freedom from religion. true freedom from religion would require another to be suppressed.

[crazy_rocks]

#1 Reason is because he cant seperate Church & State

????

[JohnnyVegas]

contraception? if he personally doesnt like something thats one thing as long as he does not want to make them illegal which he does not. i know certain news outlets want it to look like that.

Today he was asked about his claim that as president he will talk about the dangers of contraception. His answer was all about teen pregnancy and unwed mothers (but not contraception). So, the problem is that whores have these kids, and he is going to fix that by...talking about them NOT having access to contraception? Poverty is caused having a child out of wedlock, which can be solved by...not using contraception? He goes on to say that having smaller government, cutting spending and lowering taxes won't help fix everything because there is still going to be problems caused by the "fractured family." The fractured family is, of course, whores and gays. His reasoning does not make sense to me, and I don't want to elect a president that I think is narrowly focused on what he thinks is moral. Thinking outside the box is the OPPOSITE of what this guy does. Not only does he think within a box, but it is a small box.

He finished by saying he doesn't want the government to fix it, but that doesn't erase the fact that a man with that mentality will be making hundreds, or thousands of decisions and providing leadership to the county. I don't dislike the guy, I just would prefer someone else be president.

Here is the interview. It is not the sum of my argument, it is just the thing that annoyed me in the last hour about him:

KING: So let's focus the time -- let's focus the time we spend on this on the role of the president and your personal views and question the role of government.

And Senator Santorum, this has come up -- yes, it has come up because of the president's decision in the campaign. It's also come up because of some of the things you have said on the campaign trail. When you were campaigning in Iowa, you told an evangelical blog, if elected, you will talk about what, quote, "no president has talked about before -- the dangers of contraception." Why?

SANTORUM: What I was talking about is we have a society -- Charles Murray just wrote a book about this and it's on the front page of "The New York Times" two days ago, which is the increasing number of children being born out of wedlock in America, teens who are sexually active.

What we're seeing is a problem in our culture with respect to children being raised by children, children being raised out of wedlock, and the impact on society economically, the impact on society with respect to drug use and all -- a host of other things when children have children.

And so, yes, I was talking about these very serious issues. And, in fact, as I mentioned before, two days ago on the front page of "The New York Times", they're talking about the same thing. The bottom line is we have a problem in this country, and the family is fracturing.

Over 40 percent of children born in America are born out of wedlock. How can a country survive if children are being raised in homes where it's so much harder to succeed economically? It's five times the rate of poverty in single-parent households than it is in two-parent homes. We can have limited government, lower tax -- we hear this all the time, cut spending, limit the government, everything will be fine. No, everything's not going to be fine.

There are bigger problems at stake in America. And someone has got to go out there -- I will -- and talk about the things.

And you know what? Here's the difference.

The left gets all upset. "Oh, look at him talking about these things." You know, here's the difference between me and the left, and they don't get this. Just because I'm talking about it doesn't mean I want a government program to fix it.

That's what they do. That's not what we do.

[tcw]

According to the concensus of the American Media.....we hear the following kibits on why these candidates are not electable candidates for the Republican nomination

- Ron Paul: Too old, crazy foreign policy
- Neut Gingrich: His own party hates him, too much dirty laundry
- Santorum: Religious fanatic, no economic policies to create jobs.

...that leaves Romney....whom i think will take the Republican nomination. He's not the best man for the Job....RP is. But the average American won't vote for what's right.

The President does not run the country. If any one group has the most influence...its congress.

Who influences Congress?

-Multinationals
-Education System
-International Bankers
-Politicians
-Religious institutions


“The people get the government they deserve”
~Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821)

[crazy_rocks]

Today he was asked about his claim that as president he will talk about the dangers of contraception. His answer was all about teen pregnancy and unwed mothers (but not contraception). So, the problem is that whores have these kids, and he is going to fix that by...talking about them NOT having access to contraception? Poverty is caused having a child out of wedlock, which can be solved by...not using contraception? He goes on to say that having smaller government, cutting spending and lowering taxes won't help fix everything because there is still going to be problems caused by the "fractured family." The fractured family is, of course, whores and gays. His reasoning does not make sense to me, and I don't want to elect a president that I think is narrowly focused on what he thinks is moral. Thinking outside the box is the OPPOSITE of what this guy does. Not only does he think within a box, but it is a small box.

He finished by saying he doesn't want the government to fix it, but that doesn't erase the fact that a man with that mentality will be making hundreds, or thousands of decisions and providing leadership to the county. I don't dislike the guy, I just would prefer someone else be president.

Here is the interview. It is not the sum of my argument, it is just the thing that annoyed me in the last hour about him:

yeah i didnt see any real response to the question about contraception. i saw more of a correction in what he was talking about. i could be wrong though. helps me a little to see the whole interview. i dont know where people are getting this idea where people wont be able to have access to contraception. he didnt mention homosexuality either.

[JohnnyVegas]

yeah i didnt see any real response to the question about contraception. i saw more of a correction in what he was talking about. i could be wrong though. helps me a little to see the whole interview. i dont know where people are getting this idea where people wont be able to have access to contraception. he didnt mention homosexuality either.

For me, it isn't that I think he will try and make contraception illegal, it is that his way of thinking about problems are wildly different than mine. Like I said, I don't dislike the guy, I would just prefer someone else be president.

No, he didn't mention gays in the interview. They are part of the fractured family issue that he talks about a lot. Working mothers are also causing the fractured family. And premarital sex. I figure he hates the internet because it has naked people everywhere. Personally, I think he should add moronic television to the list. Certainly MTV. Why don't they play music any more? Another part of my childhood lost.

I applaud Santorum for being true to his faith. I prefer people like that over others that pick from the religion buffet, taking the parts they like and ignoring the parts they don't. But that does tend to make them more rigid thinkers as they believe that what they have heard, or read overrides the need for critical thinking.

[crazy_rocks]

For me, it isn't that I think he will try and make contraception illegal, it is that his way of thinking about problems are wildly different than mine. Like I said, I don't dislike the guy, I would just prefer someone else be president.

No, he didn't mention gays in the interview. They are part of the fractured family issue that he talks about a lot. Working mothers are also causing the fractured family. And premarital sex. I figure he hates the internet because it has naked people everywhere. Personally, I think he should add moronic television to the list. Certainly MTV. Why don't they play music any more? Another part of my childhood lost.

I applaud Santorum for being true to his faith. I prefer people like that over others that pick from the religion buffet, taking the parts they like and ignoring the parts they don't. But that does tend to make them more rigid thinkers as they believe that what they have heard, or read overrides the need for critical thinking.

good. contraception wasnt even an issue until obama started this whole thing that would require religious organizations to provide it. he needs a social issue argument to run on to try and show republicans are extremist or something. his own record sure will not help. thats what the contraception issue is about.

i see what your saying. and yeah mtv sucks now. all it does is raise sluts haha.

i feel we should have the room to talk about things in america without worrying about character assassination. however reality is reality and it must be done so very carefully because mutual respect is disappearing. 1. you have the hate wing media. you dont just run against your opponent but all his media bodyguards. 2. when a case is made it must be perfectly said so as not to allow people to misread you which will turn them off. personally i only like religious talk when kind of needed.

[zaggahamma]

i think obamma doesnt promote/stand up for gay marriage either

[wmaousley]

I don't like his foreign policy either - but I'm pretty sure Israel will take care of that for us. We NEED his economic ideas BAD.

Man dont get me started with Israel. In short, while we are on our bombing mission to Iran we should drop them early over Israel instead. Our foreign policy toward Israel keeps dragging us down.

[wmaousley]

Who influences Congress?

-Multinationals of Jewish Decent
-Education System
-International Bankers from Israel
-Politicians supporting Israeli interests
-Religious institutions supporting Judaism


“The people get the government they deserve”
~Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821)

Fixed sry guys but seems the US Elections are becoming based on its foreign policies to Israel. I in no way hate nor dislike Jews, just dont understand why a foreign country dictates our policies.

[crazy_rocks]

Man dont get me started with Israel. In short, while we are on our bombing mission to Iran we should drop them early over Israel instead. Our foreign policy toward Israel keeps dragging us down.

or go with that plan and wait a few minutes so they hit palestine instead. was that obnoxious?

Fixed sry guys but seems the US Elections are becoming based on its foreign policies to Israel. I in no way hate nor dislike Jews, just dont understand why a foreign country dictates our policies.

well if you have not noticed we both have the same mortal enemies and our situations have grown worse this past decade. they dont dictate our policies.

you didnt want anyone to get you started with israel but with those remarks it was gonna happen.

[ramacher]

Man dont get me started with Israel. In short, while we are on our bombing mission to Iran we should drop them early over Israel instead. Our foreign policy toward Israel keeps dragging us down.

We are absolutely sucking Israel's cocks. It is an abomination that our foreign policy in the Middle East is dictated by Israel. What benefits do they bring to the table? Well the answer is they don't. In 20 years the Middle East will go back to being the shit hole it used to be after the oil runs out.

[gixxerboy1]

good. contraception wasnt even an issue until obama started this whole thing that would require religious organizations to provide it. he needs a social issue argument to run on to try and show republicans are extremist or something. his own record sure will not help. thats what the contraception issue is about.

Thats not true. Well maybe on a national level. There was a bill in Nov for Mississippi that would ban alot of forms of contraception. It failed. They tried it in another state before that too. I dont remember the state

[gixxerboy1]

Today he was asked about his claim that as president he will talk about the dangers of contraception. His answer was all about teen pregnancy and unwed mothers (but not contraception). So, the problem is that whores have these kids, and he is going to fix that by...talking about them NOT having access to contraception? Poverty is caused having a child out of wedlock, which can be solved by...not using contraception? He goes on to say that having smaller government, cutting spending and lowering taxes won't help fix everything because there is still going to be problems caused by the "fractured family." The fractured family is, of course, whores and gays. His reasoning does not make sense to me, and I don't want to elect a president that I think is narrowly focused on what he thinks is moral. Thinking outside the box is the OPPOSITE of what this guy does. Not only does he think within a box, but it is a small box.

He finished by saying he doesn't want the government to fix it, but that doesn't erase the fact that a man with that mentality will be making hundreds, or thousands of decisions and providing leadership to the county. I don't dislike the guy, I just would prefer someone else be president.

Here is the interview. It is not the sum of my argument, it is just the thing that annoyed me in the last hour about him:

He said it in the debate last night also. If single and teen moms are a big problem then how wouldnt more access to contraception help? It literately bogels the mind. He wants to teach abstinence. Yea thats the job of the president

[SEOINAGE]

He said it in the debate last night also. If single and teen moms are a big problem then how wouldnt more access to contraception help? It literately bogels the mind. He wants to teach abstinence. Yea thats the job of the president

Maybe he should teach people to pull out? That's not a contraceptive is it? haha. I missed the debate last night, will try to watch it today.

[zaggahamma]

Maybe he should teach people to pull out? That's not a contraceptive is it? haha. I missed the debate last night, will try to watch it today.

pretty much same stuff...ROMNEY armed with a few sound bites to throw at Rick to make his healthcare mandate look like he's not the only one that is responsible..he's got good coaching...funny how he tries to point finger about earmarks but did much or it ..he got busted in da chops on that one...I like how Newt grinned at him and said...nice try

[crazy_rocks]

Thats not true. Well maybe on a national level. There was a bill in Nov for Mississippi that would ban alot of forms of contraception. It failed. They tried it in another state before that too. I dont remember the state

thats what i like about you. you can disagree with someone but dont deny for the sake of your own argument what the other person may have been referring to.

[crazy_rocks]

pretty much same stuff...ROMNEY armed with a few sound bites to throw at Rick to make his healthcare mandate look like he's not the only one that is responsible..he's got good coaching...funny how he tries to point finger about earmarks but did much or it ..he got busted in da chops on that one...I like how Newt grinned at him and said...nice try

and they were sitting in chairs this time.

[zaggahamma]

I'm not a holy roller by no means but I don't think living righteous is a bad thing...I would rather have SOME Christian values retained in our government....definitely would take santorum over Obama but Newt is my choice

[crazy_rocks]

I'm not a holy roller by no means but I don't think living righteous is a bad thing...I would rather have SOME Christian values retained in our government....definitely would take santorum over Obama but Newt is my choice

watching newt debate barack hussein would be very interesting. he does not want that.

[zaggahamma]

and they were sitting in chairs this time.

that is true reminds me of the seinfeld episode with the gaurd..lol

[JohnnyVegas]

Anyone who thinks Santorum shouldn't be judged for his social agenda should consider this: all Republicans are saying they will create jobs and fix the economy...what Santorum has done is use his social views to DIFFERENTIATE himself from the rest of the group. HE is making it the focus, not the media.

[JohnnyVegas]

I'm not a holy roller by no means but I don't think living righteous is a bad thing...I would rather have SOME Christian values retained in our government....definitely would take santorum over Obama but Newt is my choice

I know what you mean, but I always find it interesting that people think it is Christian values that make us good. Buddhists are good people, and they follow all the same rules (don't lie, don't steal, don't kill, don't cheat on your wife, etc.) and not a single one of them are Christian values. These are values that are, well, valued and rewarded in our society. Not because they are Christian, but because they make living in clumps possible.

I like Newt too. I have for a long time. I was surprised when he surged and hung in there.

[wmaousley]

or go with that plan and wait a few minutes so they hit palestine also. was that obnoxious? No in the least, Thats a great idea also, 2 for the price of one


well if you have not noticed we both have the same mortal enemies and our situations have grown worse this past decade. I dont have a mortal enemy anywhere on earth. I just do not like the fact we as the USA back israel's problems. they dont dictate our policies. They absolutely do dictate/interfere in our foreign policies to most of the world so that the agenda protects their interests. I think you need to read about the strongest lobbiest in the US.

you didnt want anyone to get you started with israel but with those remarks it was gonna happen.

Israel will have its day, I am hoping sooner than later. If we could have a president to focus on US policy and whats best for Americans and not Israels protection, the US would be a happier country. Also we could spend the 3+billion USD in aid we give Israel on our own people.

[zaggahamma]

I know what you mean, but I always find it interesting that people think it is Christian values that make us good. Buddhists are good people, and they follow all the same rules (don't lie, don't steal, don't kill, don't cheat on your wife, etc.) and not a single one of them are Christian values. These are values that are, well, valued and rewarded in our society. Not because they are Christian, but because they make living in clumps possible.

I like Newt too. I have for a long time. I was surprised when he surged and hung in there.

huh?

and yes dont count newt out unless he doesnt do extremely well in the south

yes, its the values that are important moreso than what religion..i'm just saying no to secular/woodstocky / only do what feels good and let the chips fall theology..

believe me,i've seen "Christians" do some unGodly things pardon the pun and they just hide behind their religion

[tcw]

Fixed sry guys but seems the US Elections are becoming based on its foreign policies to Israel. I in no way hate nor dislike Jews, just dont understand why a foreign country dictates our policies.

Hey...you bastardized my post (i think that's against forum rules...let me look it up and get back with you).

I don't know who controls who..but sometimes i get the feeling that Israel controls the US and is largely responsible for its foreign policy decisions.

Israel...does not need the military support of the USA. With all the Nuclear Missles established in the Middle East...all pointing at Muslim nations perceived to be a threat...the USA does not need more military presence in Israel.

Of course...the MIC is the organization that controls foreign policy (or the greater amount of it).

[JohnnyVegas]

huh?

and yes dont count newt out unless he doesnt do extremely well in the south

yes, its the values that are important moreso than what religion..i'm just saying no to secular/woodstocky / only do what feels good and let the chips fall theology..

believe me,i've seen "Christians" do some unGodly things pardon the pun and they just hide behind their religion

My wording was poor. I didn't mean they aren't Christian values. Obviously they are. I meant they aren't exclusively Christian values.

I am interested to see what happens next week. Especially in Michigan.

And I agree with your dislike of the "do whatever feels good" mentality. Damn hippies! Ha!

[gixxerboy1]

Maybe if he used contraception this wouldnt be an issue

[crazy_rocks]

I dont have a mortal enemy anywhere on earth.

when i said we i obviously didnt mean me and you personally. it is very clear that i was talking about we as a nation. now of course that doesnt mean it has to stay that way but it is a recurring theme.

I just do not like the fact we as the USA back israel's problems.

its great.

They absolutely do dictate/interfere in our foreign policies to most of the world so that the agenda protects their interests. I think you need to read about the strongest lobbiest in the US.

no they do not DICTATE our policies to us. we have people who CHOOSE to back them. nobody makes us back them. now we have obama who was trying to tell israel to stop building homes on their land. now thats DICTATING.

Israel will have its day, I am hoping sooner than later. If we could have a president to focus on US policy and whats best for Americans and not Israels protection, the US would be a happier country. Also we could spend the 3+billion USD in aid we give Israel on our own people.

man, its almost like you wish death on them. sounds familiar. yes they will have their day. but it will not end how you want it to. i dont think it will be great either but they will hang it there considering everyone who will probably get involved. there are a lot of things we could stop spending money on so we could use it ourselves. many many things. however it wouldnt matter if finance had nothing to do with it. you dont like the idea that we publicly take their side in the world stage. it bothers you.

[wmaousley]

when i said we i obviously didnt mean me and you personally. it is very clear that i was talking about we as a nation. now of course that doesnt mean it has to stay that way but it is a recurring theme.
its great.

no they do not DICTATE our policies to us. we have people who CHOOSE to back them. nobody makes us back them. now we have obama who was trying to tell israel to stop building homes on their land. now thats DICTATING.

man, its almost like you wish death on them. sounds familiar. yes they will have their day. but it will not end how you want it to. i dont think it will be great either but they will hang it there considering everyone who will probably get involved. there are a lot of things we could stop spending money on so we could use it ourselves. many many things. however it wouldnt matter if finance had nothing to do with it. you dont like the idea that we publicly take their side in the world stage. it bothers you.

I do not wish death on anyone unless its someone who harmed my family. I would just like the US to back a different country, preferrably a country that gives back via natural resources to the US for the greater good, not take, take, take, whine, whine, cry, whine, take, take like Israel does.

Example: 15 Years ago Qatar was damn near bankrupt Now Qatar has become the weathiest/richest country on earth per capita due to its LNG/LPG, and Qatar thanks US investors in its Laffan refinery for that wealth by paying back over 1000% of what was intitially invested as a gift. This is a great give & take story unlike Israel who is a take country.

[JD250]

Without Israel we have no friendly point of contact in the middle east..........keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Not sure why you believe that every thing will be rainbows and unicorns if we slam Israel......bad idea.

[crazy_rocks]

I do not wish death on anyone unless its someone who harmed my family.

oh, well thats quite a difference to these statements by you earlier

while we are on our bombing mission to Iran we should drop them early over Israel instead

and

Israel will have its day, I am hoping sooner than later.

it sounds like you do wish harm on them. even those who agree with your opinion would not deny what you meant.

I would just like the US to back a different country,

sounds like you would like more than JUST that based on those statements. i dont think its wrong to conclude at all that you see it this way regardless of
our support for israel. like i said earlier, this sounds familiar.

preferrably a country that gives back via natural resources to the US for the greater good, not take, take, take, whine, whine, cry, whine, take, take like Israel does.

completely understandable. and it has happened. i remember we defended kuwait who we were buying oil from then saddam invaded to take the oil with the larger goal of controlling the arab world. guess what happened? it was labeled a war over oil completely disregarding the idea that its rightful to defend a energy supply from an aggressor.
when we get involved in places that benefit us we get called names of evil. no matter what we do its never good enough and we get scrutinized. there is no such thing as doing what others see fit anymore. people will always whine and cry like you..wait thats what you accused them of doing. they have a lot to issues that they express but you call it whining and crying.