New cycle + pics

[liftology]

No one on this forum who is experienced with steroid usage will advise you to do another cycle. If you want to ignore advice that will save your ass in the long run, go look up noob cycles somewhere else online. Obviously no one in this thread condones it due to your ignorance on the subject and naivety. Sorry to be blunt, but if you continue to cycle without proper nutrition, research, and a solid base, you will be making a big mistake.

[Patz]

Okey. I want to point this out:
Meals regulary for weeks:
Breakfast: 3-4-5 crispbread with either mackerel in tomato sauce, or pate.
lunch: salad (salad, aggurk, corn and chicken)
dinner: chicken and rise, more crispbread or anything else with chicken. I also eat meat, but dont intake that much of potatoes, rather great amount of salad.
a few hours later I take a protein shake
for night meal I take a banana, or an apple.
*This is my meals for the week, more or less.

My experience is low, as you said. I've only done one (horrible, bad choice and really sucky cycle witch consist of Winstrol and Clenbuterol)

I have only trained for 11 months, yes. I went from 107 kiloes down to 87kiloes. I am tall, at 1,90cm. I am not skinny just because my abs shows after along workout with cardio and ab training.
I want more visible muscles, bigger chest, bigger biceps and triceps, more marcable body, then I mean back, legs and everything. I want something that can change my body overall.

Now you know more about my diet. my experience (altho its low, I don't see the point of then giving me more experience, tell me what I could take, but include ; Watch out for............ I would follow that, and really appresuate it!)
and more what I am looking for.

If this do not help at all of what you guys can tell me of what is good and bad. Then this thread was pointless.

* So far this is what I got:
My first cycle is shit.
I am too skinny (witch is not true at all)
I do not have enough to build on.
That I should do more diet.
That I should wait 5-10 years before I do anything else.

Thanks for replyes. But I really want more help, since I am going to do it anyways.
I am willing to do more research on products, I know the most side effects on each product, and I have a slight knowledge of dosage of what I should take.

Hopefully this will help me to get some more replyes to what I am looking for.

Patrick

[Atomini]

Dude... let me just lay things out a little more clearly for you..

Here is YOUR diet:

Breakfast: 3-4-5 crispbread with either mackerel in tomato sauce, or pate.
lunch: salad (salad, aggurk, corn and chicken)
dinner: chicken and rise, more crispbread or anything else with chicken. I also eat meat, but dont intake that much of potatoes, rather great amount of salad.
a few hours later I take a protein shake
for night meal I take a banana, or an apple.

Here is MY current diet:

Meal 1 (7:30am – 8:00am)
1 x protein bar (290 calories, 30g protein, 8g fat, 24g carbs)
1/3 cup 5-grain granola (200 calories, 5g protein, 6g fat, 32g carbs)
Total Macros: (490 calories, 35g protein, 14g fat, 56g carbs)

Meal 2 (11:00am)
1 cup egg whites (200 calories, 28g protein, 0g fat, 0g carbs)
60g oatmeal (240 calories, 8g protein, 2g fat, 40g carbs)
Total Macros: (440 calories, 36g protein, 2g fat, 40g carbs)

Meal 3 (1:30pm)
130g chicken, beef, or lean pork loin (228 calories, 26g protein, 13g fat, 0g carbs)
180g sweet potato (171 calories, 4g protein, 0g fat, 39g carbs)
Total Macros: (399 calories, 29g protein, 13g fat, 39g carbs)

Meal 4 (4:00pm)
1 scoop Syntha-6 (200 calories, 22g protein, 6g fat, 14g carbs)
1 and 1/4 cup almond milk (50 calories, 1g protein, 4g fat, 2g carbs)
60g oatmeal (240 calories, 4g protein, 2g fat, 40g carbs)
1 small-medium sized banana (90 calories, 1g protein, 0g fat, 23g carbs)
2 teaspoons coconut cream (50 calories, 0g protein, 5g fat, 0g carbs)
Total Macros: (630 calories, 30g protein, 17g fat, 79g carbs)

Meal 5 (6:15pm)
130g chicken, beef, or lean pork loin (228 calories, 26g protein, 13g fat, 0g carbs)
180g sweet potato (171 calories, 4g protein, 0g fat, 39g carbs)
Total Macros: (399 calories, 29g protein, 13g fat, 39g carbs)

Meal 6 (9:30pm – 10:00pm)
3/4 cup 2% cottage cheese (150 calories, 21g protein, 3g fat, 9g carbs)
2 tablespoon coconut cream (100 calories, 0g protein, 10g fat, 0g carbs)
1 cup almond milk (40 calories, 1g protein, 4g fat, 2g carbs)
19g roasted almonds (108 calories, 4g protein, 9g fat, 0g carbs)
Bowl of leafy greens
Total Macros: (398 calories, 16g protein, 6g fat, 8g carbs)

Totals:
2756 Calories
185g protein
82g fat
262g carbs

You ready to eat anywhere near that? No? Then you're not ready to cycle until you do.

I eat more in my first 3 meals than you do in one whole day.

[Razor]

Dude... let me just lay things out a little more clearly for you..

Here is YOUR diet:



Here is MY current diet:



You ready to eat anywhere near that? No? Then you're not ready to cycle until you do.

I eat more in my first 3 meals than you do in one whole day.

Atomi great diet man! Im glad to see someone else use sytha-6!!

[gymsoldier]

Im glad to see someone else use sytha-6!!

Completely off topic for this thread. But, have you seen the lab results for Syntha-6? Not good at all I'm afraid. I'll PM you the link when I get the chance.

And OP, I read through the tread briefly, so stop me if I'm wrong. But I heard no mention of you running PCT after your Winny only "cycle".

[slimshady01]

Dude... let me just lay things out a little more clearly for you..

Here is YOUR diet:



Here is MY current diet:



You ready to eat anywhere near that? No? Then you're not ready to cycle until you do.

I eat more in my first 3 meals than you do in one whole day.

lol solid post... Kid is eating like a worm.

Atom, is that a maintaining diet, cut or bulk diet.. What are your stats...

like your diet..

[Atomini]

lol solid post... Kid is eating like a worm.

Atom, is that a maintaining diet, cut or bulk diet.. What are your stats...

like your diet..

Currently bulking on a test and tren cycle with GW-501516 for fat loss at the same time.

[Patz]

Currently bulking on a test and tren cycle with GW-501516 for fat loss at the same time.

Am I not able to run that? Maybe not the same dosage as you, but way lower to see how my body react to it, if gyno etc. I will use PTC and be prepared fully.

Heard a lot about tren, but are you using test -a/e? And how many ml per week of the test, and what about tren? You can get that in oral and inject. Please tell me something

[MrMayhem]

Okey. I want to point this out:
Meals regulary for weeks:
Breakfast: 3-4-5 crispbread with either mackerel in tomato sauce, or pate.
lunch: salad (salad, aggurk, corn and chicken)
dinner: chicken and rise, more crispbread or anything else with chicken. I also eat meat, but dont intake that much of potatoes, rather great amount of salad.
a few hours later I take a protein shake
for night meal I take a banana, or an apple.
*This is my meals for the week, more or less.

My experience is low, as you said. I've only done one (horrible, bad choice and really sucky cycle witch consist of Winstrol and Clenbuterol)

I have only trained for 11 months, yes. I went from 107 kiloes down to 87kiloes. I am tall, at 1,90cm. I am not skinny just because my abs shows after along workout with cardio and ab training.
I want more visible muscles, bigger chest, bigger biceps and triceps, more marcable body, then I mean back, legs and everything. I want something that can change my body overall.

Now you know more about my diet. my experience (altho its low, I don't see the point of then giving me more experience, tell me what I could take, but include ; Watch out for............ I would follow that, and really appresuate it!)
and more what I am looking for.

If this do not help at all of what you guys can tell me of what is good and bad. Then this thread was pointless.

* So far this is what I got:
My first cycle is shit.
I am too skinny (witch is not true at all)
I do not have enough to build on.
That I should do more diet.
That I should wait 5-10 years before I do anything else.

Thanks for replyes. But I really want more help, since I am going to do it anyways.
I am willing to do more research on products, I know the most side effects on each product, and I have a slight knowledge of dosage of what I should take.

Hopefully this will help me to get some more replyes to what I am looking for.

Patrick

Then lift like a monster and eat like a horse and forget the juice for now. BYE.

[Atomini]

Your diet is absolutely horrid. You are not eating enough calories to even keep a highschool anorexic cheerleader alive. Ballparking that diet you posted, my estimate is that you are intaking approximately 900 - 1200 calories per day... if that! In fact, my doubts put the cap on your diet at 1000 calories per day. I consume upwards of near 3,000 calories per day! And i'm not trying to get freakishly huge.

You need to be:
- Consuming at least 2,000 calories per day for starters, considering your current bodyweight and stats.
- Eating 6 (SIX) MEALS PER DAY. Not three, SIX. SIX.
- Consume each meal approximately 3 hours inbetween one another.
- Make protein a priority with EACH AND EVERY MEAL. This means every single meal must contain protein in it in some form.
- Stay away from protein shakes, except for post-workout ONLY.
- All carbohydrate sources must be switched to complex carbs
- Carbohydrates from complex carbs must now be consumed in high quantities (with your current stats, start at 30g of carbs PER MEAL AT LEAST)

I don't care WHAT compounds you decide to use at the highest dosages EVER, you will never ever gain anything or achieve ANY of your physique goals with the nutrition protocol you are currently engaging in.

You need to go over to the nutrition section of this forum and get started there before anything else. BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE. THIS MEANS BEFORE ANY FURTHER CYCLES.

I don't care if you are going to go ahead and do another cycle anyways - you won't gain a god damn thing with the diet you are on, WITH OR WITHOUT STEROIDS!

[Fllifter]

Your just not going to listen to people that are extremely experienced. Do yourself a favor a listen to what your being told.

[Patz]

Well.. Guess that was it then.

Thanks for all replyes

[kelkel]

@ Atomini^^Yep. Personally, I was impressed with the cottage cheese. I eat the crap out of it at night. Great slow digesting protein!

To the op: If you do one thing here, get complete Blood Work done now. At least with that you can look back and see where your levels should be in the future.

[manmanman]

For that before picture, how did you gain so much fat eating so little?

Also if zyzz is your inspiration, you would know he didn't use his first cycle to cut.

[Patz]

4 years of juice.. Well, I would say I have decent genes..
So If that was for sure that I get the body, then yes..
Although I don't think he was juicy for 4 years, I know he's cycle. But I want some tips from you guys instead of following him complete.
He's cycle:
Tren ace
Test prop
T3
Clen

What is a good cycle for me? I think winny and clen did wonders on me.. But for a second cycle, what would you suggest?

[Shadowmaker]

4 years of juice.. Well, I would say I have decent genes..
So If that was for sure that I get the body, then yes..
Although I don't think he was juicy for 4 years, I know he's cycle. But I want some tips from you guys instead of following him complete.
He's cycle:
Tren ace
Test prop
T3
Clen

What is a good cycle for me? I think winny and clen did wonders on me.. But for a second cycle, what would you suggest?

i gues youll be wanting to be lean all the time, no bulk, right?
well, i think you could try doin test prop alone... the stuff you wanna do is for cutting mostly, but the Zyzz guy had some awesome mass... To cut you need something to cut in to. So the fastest way would be bulk now, cut later. By doing lean mass gains, it will be better looking all the time, but youll progress a lot slower and will have to work much more years.

the guy had like 18" arms at least, so you have to build the base... if you dont belive in natural bodybuilding, start by doin test prop - it will not hold any water but it will cost more...

also, when on roids you have to eat... do at least 250g of protein... you can supplement with whey in the early morning and after the workout... also, protein is what builds muscle, but carbs is what actually does the building, so if you will not have any carbs you will not grow. Zyzz wasnt into starving - there is actually a video on youtube in which you can see that he ate some kind of pancakes with protein powder after workout which is - lots of simple carbs and protein, so i think he actually knew how to eat.

you can ignore guys who want you to be a 35 year old bodybuilder, but dont ignore them on the diet thing... diet is what does 80% of work... steroids will just allow you to reach your goals faster if you are not scared of the sides and health risks.

[Shadowmaker]

here is my diet :

1)Wake up - 55g dextrose + 67g Whey powder.
2)30min after that - 100g oats + 130g of grilled chicken.
3)3 hours after that - 85g brown rice + 130g of grilled chicken.
4)3 hours after that - 100g of wholegrain pasta + 130g of grilled chicken.
WORKOUT
5)after workout - 40g dextrose + 67g Whey powder.
6)30 min after that - 120g of wholegrain rye bread + 130g of grilled chicken. (i think you dont have rye bread in US but youll think of something)
7)before sleep - 75g of whey+casein mix.

gets me about 300g protein, 350g of carbs, some 30g of fats(lil low on these ones).
would be low on carbs too imo, but im studying political science so im basically sitting on my ass all day, talking to people about Socrates and Plato. Also, my workouts are only 15min long(Mentzers HIT) so i think its enough for me.

[Patz]

here is my diet :

1)Wake up - 55g dextrose + 67g Whey powder.
2)30min after that - 100g oats + 130g of grilled chicken.
3)3 hours after that - 85g brown rice + 130g of grilled chicken.
4)3 hours after that - 100g of wholegrain pasta + 130g of grilled chicken.
WORKOUT
5)after workout - 40g dextrose + 67g Whey powder.
6)30 min after that - 120g of wholegrain rye bread + 130g of grilled chicken. (i think you dont have rye bread in US but youll think of something)
7)before sleep - 75g of whey+casein mix.

gets me about 300g protein, 350g of carbs, some 30g of fats(lil low on these ones).
would be low on carbs too imo, but im studying political science so im basically sitting on my ass all day, talking to people about Socrates and Plato. Also, my workouts are only 15min long(Mentzers HIT) so i think its enough for me.

THANKS for both replies! I will try test prop then I guess. And I'll focus on getting way more protein and carbs in my body. I do have whey protein at home, I only take one after training, but I can start taking two!
But then when I do test prop, it will increase my size and muscles,
Not like bulking, but sort of, when done (10-12 weeks) for cutting then to get ripped, could I then do clen and t3?
And how much test should I get during a week? ~500ml? Or how would you do it? Like Monday 150ml or all at once, once a week?

[Shadowmaker]

I'll focus on getting way more protein and carbs in my body.

remember that steroids like test prop allows your muscles to "attach" more aminos to them... so basically, if you do steroids and dont eat carbs and protein, steroids have nothing to work with... steroids are like a construction workers - best in the world, but the protein and carbs are quality materials, and without the materials the workers cant build anything. it is more important than it sounds like.

But then when I do test prop, it will increase my size and muscles,
Not like bulking, but sort of, when done (10-12 weeks) for cutting then to get ripped, could I then do clen and t3?

i wouldnt suggest anything at 10-12 weeks... i have done long cycles - didnt go too well... im a believer that you can do hit and runs - 4-5 weeks... you get in and get out fast - youll get less sides, less time off, less chance to screw up. there is actually an artice about this with blood work and everything where the dude researched this stuff...
you do have to let your natural test to restore after the cycle, so - time on = time off, or - i do 5 weeks on, 7 weeks off(it makes 3 full months so its easier to plan). Because whats the point of a hot body if you wont be able to fcuk some babes with it, right? Take at least equal time off to know that you will be able to continue enjoy the benefits of your body for a long time.

And how much test should I get during a week? ~500ml? Or how would you do it? Like Monday 150ml or all at once, once a week?

id say - go 4 weeks by doin test prop 100mg every other day - 1day, 3day, 5day, 7day, 2day, 4day, 6day etc etc... so, 4 weeks = 14 injections of 100mg each.
if you will gain good, take 4 weeks off and do the same again. dont up the dosages while it works - you dont want to end up like me by taking 1g of test just to get it to work - its just expensive

you will not need a cut cycle for a while - you are in a good shape and that will not change as long as youll eat right. youll get bigger but remain the same condition for a while...

we will be able to talk about some cutting only when we will see how you look after a few cycles with some new mass cause its possible that the only thing youll need to cut is to add some cardio...

[Patz]

remember that steroids like test prop allows your muscles to "attach" more aminos to them... so basically, if you do steroids and dont eat carbs and protein, steroids have nothing to work with... steroids are like a construction workers - best in the world, but the protein and carbs are quality materials, and without the materials the workers cant build anything. it is more important than it sounds like.

i wouldnt suggest anything at 10-12 weeks... i have done long cycles - didnt go too well... im a believer that you can do hit and runs - 4-5 weeks... you get in and get out fast - youll get less sides, less time off, less chance to screw up. there is actually an artice about this with blood work and everything where the dude researched this stuff...
you do have to let your natural test to restore after the cycle, so - time on = time off, or - i do 5 weeks on, 7 weeks off(it makes 3 full months so its easier to plan). Because whats the point of a hot body if you wont be able to fcuk some babes with it, right? Take at least equal time off to know that you will be able to continue enjoy the benefits of your body for a long time.

id say - go 4 weeks by doin test prop 100mg every other day - 1day, 3day, 5day, 7day, 2day, 4day, 6day etc etc... so, 4 weeks = 28 injections of 100mg each.
if you will gain good, take 4 weeks off and do the same again. dont up the dosages while it works - you dont want to end up like me by taking 1g of test just to get it to work - its just expensive

you will not need a cut cycle for a while - you are in a good shape and that will not change as long as youll eat right. youll get bigger but remain the same condition for a while...

we will be able to talk about some cutting only when we will see how you look after a few cycles with some new mass cause its possible that the only thing youll need to cut is to add some cardio...

THANKS a lot Shadowmaker! Thanks for all the advice, two last questions:
When at the day should I inject the test? At morning, before training??
And do I need PCT after that small amount and time on roids?

Thanks again!

[warmouth]

4 years of juice.. Well, I would say I have decent genes..
So If that was for sure that I get the body, then yes..
Although I don't think he was juicy for 4 years, I know he's cycle. But I want some tips from you guys instead of following him complete.
He's cycle:
Tren ace
Test prop
T3
Clen

What is a good cycle for me? I think winny and clen did wonders on me.. But for a second cycle, what would you suggest?

That cycle is a "proposed" cycle of what the author thought hs cycle looked like. But you have to realize that he had bulk to begin with. He is thought to have run year-round, which is stupid to begin with. It shows lackofself control anda lack of self confidence. T3 and Clen are ridiculous for you to even consider at your size. I know, as well as everyone else, that you are going to cycle, but research stickys and make sure you do everything right. No one that cares isgoing to advise you onwhatand how to run. That is going to be on you totally. I have a friend rightnow who started heavy on AAS at 20, and now he is 30 and has no cartilage in his knees or elbows. He blasts me for considering them, but I am 30 and am on TRT. He has to take shots monthly for pain and he is fat. He can no longer work out because of the damage he did at such a young age. Just a thought.

[mockery]

Patz

Zyzz is dead, and you will be too if you contiune to use drugs you know nothing about, i could train you and make you alot bigger with out drugs and so could alot of people out there. drugs are not the answer. Steriods make you small. And when you lose the use of your dick at your age, good luck at finding a girl being accepted in society. You will be labled limp dick pat. and the downward spire will push you to further your drug abuse untill one day you dont wake up cause you had a heart attack in your sleep. And when u are in the iron den in the sky , zyzz wont be coming over to call u a fully mad kunt and welcome you as a brother in iron, he will call you a dumb kunt.

[Shadowmaker]

Zyzz is dead, and you will be too

for some people, to die at young age is considered better than living the life you dont like.
lots of guys will chose 3 years of a perfect life they want, instead of 30 years of life they have never wanted.

Zyzz lived with no regrets... sadly - he died... But you should check out statistics - how many of the young ppl who die use steroids... 1%?
There are people born with diseases. All the stuff you mention is killing young people who dont use steroids.
Steroids is not what kills you - its not a factor.

10 people died of heart disease and 1 of them was on steroids. now you go telling all the steroid users that they will die because of steroids.
i dont see you going in streets and just saying this crap to random people...why not? they have the same chances to die of the same diseases that the steroid users.

[Patz]

for some people, to die at young age is considered better than living the life you dont like.
lots of guys will chose 3 years of a perfect life they want, instead of 30 years of life they have never wanted.

Zyzz lived with no regrets... sadly - he died... But you should check out statistics - how many of the young ppl who die use steroids... 1%?
There are people born with diseases. All the stuff you mention is killing young people who dont use steroids.
Steroids is not what kills you - its not a factor.

10 people died of heart disease and 1 of them was on steroids. now you go telling all the steroid users that they will die because of steroids.
i dont see you going in streets and just saying this crap to random people...why not? they have the same chances to die of the same diseases that the steroid users.

So true

[mockery]

for some people, to die at young age is considered better than living the life you dont like.
lots of guys will chose 3 years of a perfect life they want, instead of 30 years of life they have never wanted.

Zyzz lived with no regrets... sadly - he died... But you should check out statistics - how many of the young ppl who die use steroids... 1%?
There are people born with diseases. All the stuff you mention is killing young people who dont use steroids.
Steroids is not what kills you - its not a factor.

10 people died of heart disease and 1 of them was on steroids. now you go telling all the steroid users that they will die because of steroids.
i dont see you going in streets and just saying this crap to random people...why not? they have the same chances to die of the same diseases that the steroid users.

so you are saying all steroid users who have died in their 20's and 30's you dont think for a sec roids had anything to do with that? mate you can run all the pct and hcg , and whatever else tickles your fancy. But the clogged arteries associated with gear use and HIGH cholesterol is a very real thing and there is no warning signs... People are usually not honest about their cycles... people blast for long periods of time but say oh i was on for 10 weeks once... this KID needs to understand that there is side effects and very costly ones that come with using gear. YOu choose to say other wise almost giving him the green light to do drugs when the community and board rules states ar doesn't support in underage people using gear.

yes it sucks that people that abuse make it harder for teh rest of us every day to just live our live and do our thing, but do not turn a blind eye for one minute that steroids do not have a huge impact on our health, man hood and our lives. the moment you take this shit for granted you DIE. zyzz is not the first kid to go to Thailand for a steroid vacation and die... and he wont be the last. Ive seen friends end up in teh hospital almost dead from just taking dbol... ive seen the highs and lows of this life style. So you can live in your bubble and say there is no proof that so and so died from a heart attack caused by steriods... he just had a bad heart. but dont try to educate people on this board especially kids with this logic.

[Shadowmaker]

also, mockery - whats your opinion on my health? im on of the youngest guys in here with bigger experience in roids than some of the oldest guys in here...
it seems that i should have some health problems right now? so, how many years before i will see the stuff you people tell me about?

i actually think of finishing the cycle, then take time off and then go to doctors and do some tests maybe... its just - if they will turn out good, no one will ever hear the end of it, so its risky

[mockery]

also, mockery - whats your opinion on my health? im on of the youngest guys in here with bigger experience in roids than some of the oldest guys in here...
it seems that i should have some health problems right now? so, how many years before i will see the stuff you people tell me about?

i actually think of finishing the cycle, then take time off and then go to doctors and do some tests maybe... its just - if they will turn out good, no one will ever hear the end of it, so its risky

there is no math for clogged arteries from high cholesterol and gear use. u need to see an educated doctor that can help you with this.

[ANIMAL]

so you are saying all steroid users who have died in their 20's and 30's you dont think for a sec roids had anything to do with that? mate you can run all the pct and hcg , and whatever else tickles your fancy. But the clogged arteries associated with gear use and HIGH cholesterol is a very real thing and there is no warning signs... People are usually not honest about their cycles... people blast for long periods of time but say oh i was on for 10 weeks once... this KID needs to understand that there is side effects and very costly ones that come with using gear. YOu choose to say other wise almost giving him the green light to do drugs when the community and board rules states ar doesn't support in underage people using gear.

yes it sucks that people that abuse make it harder for teh rest of us every day to just live our live and do our thing, but do not turn a blind eye for one minute that steroids do not have a huge impact on our health, man hood and our lives. the moment you take this shit for granted you DIE. zyzz is not the first kid to go to Thailand for a steroid vacation and die... and he wont be the last. Ive seen friends end up in teh hospital almost dead from just taking dbol... ive seen the highs and lows of this life style. So you can live in your bubble and say there is no proof that so and so died from a heart attack caused by steriods... he just had a bad heart. but dont try to educate people on this board especially kids with this logic.

Best post in this thread hands down.

After reading this whole entire thread, the OP is going to do what he wants, whether we give him advice or not.

In this post below he's basically threatening the forum:

Well, I'm done with my cycle and I want tips for another one, whatever you guys say I'm going to do another one. So in my mind it tells me better to ask for some tips instead of going for something I might
Don't know that much about..

Thanks for looking out for me, but I know what my body is capable of and I want to test it to some new levels.

So either you forum viewers and readers could give me some tips or I'll might do something I'll regret..

Sorry if some of you feel I am offensive, but I just want to express that I am going to do this anyway.
Best Regards Patrick

You know what your body is capable of? These "zyzz" worshippers are ridiculous. If you need that to get girls and live this life then I really do feel sorry for you. Jumping on gear for all the wrong reasons is just plain stupid. No cares in the world to your health and body just shows how young and stupid you really are.

I would HIGHLY suggest getting blood work done to see how your body responded after your first cycle, especially your liver. If someone was to tell you if you continued this, you would not be alive 1 year from now, and it was the truth, would you continue or stop? People on this forum are not bashing you because they are bored and have nothing better to do, there are reasons that have been proven why people are telling you to stop what you're doing.

Like I mentioned before, you will do what you want to do at the end of the day. Anyone that tells you to stop or you are stupid are just wasting their breathe (including my own). No one here will support you and encourage you, because we all know the ramifications of what you're about to do to your body. You have 1 body, 1 life... there is no reset button or Delorean to go back in time to change things. This is it buddy.

[Patz]

You know what your body is capable of? These "zyzz" worshippers are ridiculous. If you need that to get girls and live this life then I really do feel sorry for you. Jumping on gear for all the wrong reasons is just plain stupid. No cares in the world to your health and body just shows how young and stupid you really are.

you are total wrong, frist of I am 19 whatever you believe it or not.
Second: I want to do roids, I don't adore zyzz that much that you are expressing
And last, I'm not getting my "dream body" because I want to fool around and **** several woman. I have a girlfriend, the best one, been together for two years.
Call it the wrong reasons if you want, but in my head I have all the good reasons !

[kelkel]

for some people, to die at young age is considered better than living the life you dont like.
lots of guys will chose 3 years of a perfect life they want, instead of 30 years of life they have never wanted.Zyzz lived with no regrets... sadly - he died... But you should check out statistics - how many of the young ppl who die use steroids... 1%?
There are people born with diseases. All the stuff you mention is killing young people who dont use steroids.
Steroids is not what kills you - its not a factor.

10 people died of heart disease and 1 of them was on steroids. now you go telling all the steroid users that they will die because of steroids.
i dont see you going in streets and just saying this crap to random people...why not? they have the same chances to die of the same diseases that the steroid users.

Unless you can predict the future like Nostradamus, the above in bold just plain makes no sense at all. Tomorrow could be the best day of your life. You just don't know what the future holds. Patience works! But what do I know, I'm old and had to look up this Zyzz guy. But hey, I have a full head of hair! HA.

[Myers]

Okay here we go Patz, atm i'm 18 and i thought about cycling too a few months ago,unlike u probably i live in a sh*tty country where it's pretty hard for my parents to buy me meat all the time so i can eat it in all 6 meals.I have been eating tuna for 3 times a day in past few months only because it's CHEAP and i was able to afford it(it's prettymuch good source of protein ain't it?).After that i told myself ..why would i cycle if i can't even eat properly(economics destroyed me) - though i still manage to somehow,so i decided to wait a few years till i study hard and go somewhere else(might even take to 25-26 so guess how hard is it to w8 till than eh?But i got no choice).I actually do train hard for 2-2,5 years already and i got great genetics(father was in this sport also).So AT LEAST w8 with the cycling till u get 2 years of exp,till u learn to eat properly(try to eat same cr*p 3 times a day for a few months and u'll almost be puking - still that shows ur effort and passion), and till u do enough research(even i know that 1st cycle has to be test only - prop i guess if cutting,and test e if bulking).
Also in addition to this,u can watch a documentary called Bigger Stronger Faster about anabolics - there you'll actually see why those models are actually "ripped"(photoshop does wonders eh ..)
There ya go,advice from a kid younger then you.

[warmouth]

Okay here we go Patz, atm i'm 18 and i thought about cycling too a few months ago,unlike u probably i live in a sh*tty country where it's pretty hard for my parents to buy me meat all the time so i can eat it in all 6 meals.I have been eating tuna for 3 times a day in past few months only because it's CHEAP and i was able to afford it(it's prettymuch good source of protein ain't it?).After that i told myself ..why would i cycle if i can't even eat properly(economics destroyed me) - though i still manage to somehow,so i decided to wait a few years till i study hard and go somewhere else(might even take to 25-26 so guess how hard is it to w8 till than eh?But i got no choice).I actually do train hard for 2-2,5 years already and i got great genetics(father was in this sport also).So AT LEAST w8 with the cycling till u get 2 years of exp,till u learn to eat properly(try to eat same cr*p 3 times a day for a few months and u'll almost be puking - still that shows ur effort and passion), and till u do enough research(even i know that 1st cycle has to be test only - prop i guess if cutting,and test e if bulking).
Also in addition to this,u can watch a documentary called Bigger Stronger Faster about anabolics - there you'll actually see why those models are actually "ripped"(photoshop does wonders eh ..)
There ya go,advice from a kid younger then you.

Hey Patz, right there is the leader I was talking about to you in PMs. This is what you stive for. This guy just took over that mantle! Good for you man. You have to train and train hard before juicing to see if youll even be into it in a year. This guys is admirable. He has trouble paying for food, and you dont even put importance on that. You lucky bro? Good for you Myers and keep up the HARD work. Man this has been an awesome post! Very smart and just an overall inspiration. Heck Myers, you are way younger than me and I wish I had your self control and motivation.

[warmouth]

Ok. I got a few things to say here and Ill try to let it die out. The emo crap is stupid, from both shadowmaker and patz. The zyzz this, the zyzz that, blah blah blah. He lived a full meaningful life and lived to the fullest unlike old people who have never really lived, etc, etc, etc. Basically what I am seeing here is 2 young, very immature guys, feeding off eachother. This has gotten ridiculous and to think that shadow is still encouraging young people into "doing it right" makes me sick to my stomach. Hey shadow, the stickys are there for ANYONE willing to learn! I am grateful for having freedom of speech onthe public forum, and I am grateful to have it here in the US. I never take it for granted either, as it isa freedom and it also comes with a responibility of its own, or it can be lost if used unresponsibly. This isnot what I want and I respect everyones advice, right or wrong. I dont respect someone willing to give advice to a child, who has no experience in personal fitness training and is too unwilling to educate or work hard to get the body of "his dreams". I bust my freaking balls to get whatever I can get. My diet isnt the best, my rest isnt the best, but I bust it to at least try and ask experienced guys on here what I need to tweek or do differently. And I listen! Of course, I am 30 and have learned hard lessons on my own that could have been avoided by listening to my dad, uncles, elders, etc. I know this now and I would give anything and everything to go back and redo the damage I have done to myself and others. I struggle everyday just to cope with the consequences of my actions from my teens and early 20s. I was a total dick to kids in high school, and now, I ave to see them in town and I am always apologetic about the way I treated them, andthey really dont care what I have to say because the damage I done to them and the humiliation I caused them was and is still unbearable enough that they cannot forgiveme. I know that is off topic, but it is an example of what canhappen when you dont listen to sound advice. Whats to happen if you start that lame 4 week Prop cycle and finish up with clen and T3 and have a heartattack or an anaeurism and die? What happens to those who love you? They suffer and you are responsible for it. And there will be nothing you can to to fix or change it. Shadow, in my opinion, you should be allowed to listen, but not advice at this time. You are uneducated on the subject and should just listen to the big dogs and learn. I wish I could beat itinto your heads that youll never learn by not taking advicefrom these guys WHO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT! But it is hard to listenandlearnwhen you already know everything. Atomini, T Dogg, KelKel, sorry ifI missed anymore, have given the best advice that could have been given. If your DRs, or Arnold orZyzz himself came in, they couldnt give you any better advice than these guys just did. Listen to them and learn. I do. I dont know a fraction of what they know and I am trying to absorb it like a sponge! At least give it a shot. Its better to listen and have the freedom to ask them questions than it is to be banned from the site. Take advantage of what they know. You canask any of them, I bug the heck out of them. But I am not going to learn by just sitting here and doing nothing. If you are serious andshow signs of maturity, they will help you far more than anyone else. These guys posting in this thread are the most helpful out there, andthat iswhy they are posting in this thread to begin with. Where are the mods, the experienced vets? These are your guys, so use them for what the are and what they know. They arent trying to bash, you guys are just making it soeasy that it is hard not too. Patz, PM Atomini our conversation and get his insights. Lean on him and talk to him and be honest. Dont listen to shadow and his 4 week cycle plan. Going to shut yourself down for 4 weeks and stop right before the gains start. Cherish the freedom of speech we have here and dont taint it by saying or doing stupid things that could ultimitley cost us all inthe long run. Freedom is a good thing guys, you just might like it!

[Shadowmaker]

mockery - you wrote a really good comment and i respect you for that...

also, if you will read the discussion - i warned him about the sides... only not the gypsy way some of others would do that.

you cant save them all... this guy will poison himself to death if he has to... then better give him a normal starter cycle then let him eat clen like candy and die with heart problems.

all im sayin - there has to be someone who understands these guys, because belive me - when you are young and have goals in life, some 40yr old bald dude on the internet with ghost stories about : "i know a guy, who knows a guy, who has erectile disfunction" doesnt work.

most of guys in here who give their advice never try to listen to the guys and never wish to understand

[mockery]

mockery - you wrote a really good comment and i respect you for that...

also, if you will read the discussion - i warned him about the sides... only not the gypsy way some of others would do that.

you cant save them all... this guy will poison himself to death if he has to... then better give him a normal starter cycle then let him eat clen like candy and die with heart problems.

all im sayin - there has to be someone who understands these guys, because belive me - when you are young and have goals in life, some 40yr old bald dude on the internet with ghost stories about : "i know a guy, who knows a guy, who has erectile disfunction" doesnt work.

most of guys in here who give their advice never try to listen to the guys and never wish to understand

Any vet could come in here, give this guy a solid cycle, diet and work out routine. this kid will take it and modify the frick out of it and then take advice from some skinny fat dude in his gym running abomb cycle only and then his source saying u dont need pct just eat vitamin c. Its gonna fall on deaf ears and be a waste of time. If he wants to eat clen like candy and do all of that, his his choosing. Nobody at AR suggested he do that, everyone suggested he avoid the drugs. He is 18, maybe 19 could be 17 we dont know he thinks he knows better and then he uses a guild trip" if you don't help me i will just do it anyways and end up hurting myself" this logic alone makes me think hes 16.

[mockery]

He still has no base to build off to even consider using aas. hes tall and big bones.. chest development and lat wing span are prof of this... he cant build a highrise with out the form-work and foundation poured first.

[mockery]

you are beating a dead horse.

do you understand the number one side effect with using steriods? High cholestrol and do you understand what impact that has on your life? and how that further becomes worse if you already have a history of heart disease in your family.

u basing your argument(s) on statistics .. wich fly for shit...

and because you are willing to die from roid use if it goes that way, doesnt mean you try and argue the fact that steriods cant kill u. If you wanna be a jihad gear users by all means do so. just keep that opinion to yourself.

[Shadowmaker]

just keep that opinion to yourself.

it has to be mine opinion that is kept to myself not any other... nice nazi stuff dude

[mockery]

Actually im gonna bow out of this one and stick to the diet forum, to much bro science in this forum. you said yourself you are younger then everyone else and have more gear experience then the average bald 40 year old gear user. YOU know everything.

good luck in your endeavors

[ANIMAL]

The only way the younger generation will learn is from personal experience. Not saying that everyone who is older were young, immature and didn't listen to advice, but for the most part, they have to fall on their ass, mess up their bodies, get treated back to normal conditions (whatever that is now) and then maybe they will have a different outlook.

But if you give into their questions, you're only stooping to their immature, know it all level. I never post in this section of the forum, but figured I'd see if there were any worth while threads to post in. This was the first thread I clicked and although entertaining, there's nothing to learn in here.