why is it so baf for first cycle to include tren

[ghettoboyd]

This makes no sense though. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. It didnt do anything to him. He has the best genetics in bodybuilding. Hell a lot of people do this stuff in their teens...i am 22 so even safer

dam you kids beat this point to death trying to justify irresposible decisions...do what you want man but no one here is going to give you the "high five" your looking for...ooh and i look forward to your "i took tren on my first cycle and now my dick is broken, what do i do know?" thread...should be stellar....

[Atomini]

This makes no sense though. Arnold took steroids since he was 16. It didnt do anything to him. He has the best genetics in bodybuilding. Hell a lot of people do this stuff in their teens...i am 22 so even safer

HOLY SHIT!

I normally refrain from posting in these threads (especially one concerning Tren, considering I devoted a giant write-up to it at the top of the forum where I do extensively answer the main question here). However, i'm sorry, I can't sit quietly here when I see such stupid comments like this popped off.

You think we don't get this kind of attitude around here every week for years upon years ever since this forum began? You think when you pull the whole "look at [INSERT FAMOUS BODYBUILDER/EX-BODYBUILDER HERE], he took steroids since he was two years old and he's okay!" that we haven't heard it before? You think we were born yesterday? First of all, who are you? Where did you get your degree in endocrinology? Are you Arnold's personal physician? Are you his endocrinologist? No, wait - you must be his personal biographer! Even they don't get that kind of information out of people!

How do you know Arnold is not on HRT right now? He likely is. How do you know he hasn't been on HRT since he was in his late 20s for starting anabolic steroids at such a young age? YOU DON'T KNOW! You assume that because you still see his face on TV and in the movies that he's a-ok and has no health problems. Let me break reality to you: you are dead wrong. You don't know if he is in perfect health or if he has serious underlying issues, or bad damage to his HPTA. Arnold (and nearly all of the other bodybuilders of his time) is far more likely to have serious issues at his age right now with regards to his HPTA, because he started using AAS at a time when proper protocols, PCT, etc. were nonexistant, and back at a time when nobody knew a damn thing about this stuff! Stop making stupid excuses up in your mind to validate using anabolic steroids at an inappropriate age, when you are being properly instructed and informed to do otherwise. It will behoove you right now and in the long run to stop the self-bullshitting.

Grow up.

That's all I have to say on this.

[Lunk1]

HOLY SHIT!

I normally refrain from posting in these threads (especially one concerning Tren, considering I devoted a giant write-up to it at the top of the forum where I do extensively answer the main question here). However, i'm sorry, I can't sit quietly here when I see such stupid comments like this popped off.

You think we don't get this kind of attitude around here every week for years upon years ever since this forum began? You think when you pull the whole "look at [INSERT FAMOUS BODYBUILDER/EX-BODYBUILDER HERE], he took steroids since he was two years old and he's okay!" that we haven't heard it before? You think we were born yesterday? First of all, who are you? Where did you get your degree in endocrinology? Are you Arnold's personal physician? Are you his endocrinologist? No, wait - you must be his personal biographer! Even they don't get that kind of information out of people!

How do you know Arnold is not on HRT right now? He likely is. How do you know he hasn't been on HRT since he was in his late 20s for starting anabolic steroids at such a young age? YOU DON'T KNOW! You assume that because you still see his face on TV and in the movies that he's a-ok and has no health problems. Let me break reality to you: you are dead wrong. You don't know if he is in perfect health or if he has serious underlying issues, or bad damage to his HPTA. Arnold (and nearly all of the other bodybuilders of his time) is far more likely to have serious issues at his age right now with regards to his HPTA, because he started using AAS at a time when proper protocols, PCT, etc. were nonexistant, and back at a time when nobody knew a damn thing about this stuff! Stop making stupid excuses up in your mind to validate using anabolic steroids at an inappropriate age, when you are being properly instructed and informed to do otherwise. It will behoove you right now and in the long run to stop the self-bullshitting.

Grow up.

That's all I have to say on this.

Good job Forest

[BBJT200]

I can tell you're not going to listen to anyone but yourself. I'll be waiting for your "OH SHIT I TORE MY SHOULDER" or "OMG I HAVE E.D. FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, WHAT DO I DO!!>!??!!?!?" posts.

See you in seven months.

Ignorance is bliss, until you are stuck with the consequences for life. GL.

[binsser]

TREN hammers your body period its very strong and not a good idea for first cycle period mate honest!

[rhoads90]

Its not like tren behaves any different whether its urfirst oko or 4th cycle. Why cant i?

[austinite]

seriously you're going to start another identical thread?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ren&highlight=

[t-dogg]

Wtf....

Again, really?

[auswest]

I'm 6'2" and the man looks me square in the adam's apple. You figure it out.

when was this, people shrink when they get old, he's no spring chicken. You only have to look at him back when he was on stage to know he was over 6ft

[dec11]

at 22, you're too young for me to advise.

listen to the guys.........

[bigguy44]

My experience with Tren was this... Amazing gains, but incredibly awful sides. Night Sweats, Vivid intense dreams. Insomnia. The worst side of all had to be my change in mental state. Ive never experienced this before with and AAS Ive ever used. Test, Sust, Deca, Var, EQ. Primo... All great gains no sides.

But with Tren it literally made me go nuts, like I wanted to kill myself. I dunno if thats common or not, but shit was it awful.

So I would STRONGLY disagree with it being a first cycle compound you run.

[lovbyts]

OK guys you all know what is next.... He is DIFFERENT, He is the exception, He knows his body and limitations, He is not like all the other kids and He is willing to take the risks. Hmmm ever hear any of those before?

[austinite]

OK guys you all know what is next.... He is DIFFERENT, He is the exception, He knows his body and limitations, He is not like all the other kids and He is willing to take the risks. Hmmm ever hear any of those before?

you forgot TROLL...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.UGE9J7JlSDl

[Metalject]

im in no way encouraging it for first time use but would like to point out the sides are a tad exaggerated also, tren used at a sensible dose will give minimal sides, more 'uncomfortable' than nasty

Agreed big time. Now every time I make a post in a thread where a younger guy is asking steroid questions I get scolded...for the record I'm not telling this guy to take Tren. But I agree, the side effects of Tren are highly exaggerated...the steroid itself is often talked about in a way that insinuates delusions of grandeur. Think about it, Tren is simply a slightly altered Nandrolone hormone...it's not a steroid from the fifth dimension.

This isn't said to take away from Trenbolone's power...of course it's powerful. But the side effects are still blown way out of proportion. A lot of guys can use Tren without the first ill-effect.

[Metalject]

You don't know it did nothing to him. I've seen Arnold listed at over 6', but that's absolute crap. I've met the man twice and if he's a bit over 5'9" I'll eat a piece of barbed wire on live TV. One of the primary problems with early AAS use is a closing of the growth plates. So perhaps the big A could have actually made it to his listed height if he hadn't been pumping in chemicals while his body was still growing. You have a number of HIGHLY qualified people telling you what to do, but you're not going to listen. Good luck, I hope you don't seriously screw yourself up.

Young guys shouldn't use steroids. Agreed. But I still wish people would stop using the growth plate argument to back their case...it's a poor argument. There's no hard proof. People should keep the argument to where it has true teeth, such as irreversibly damaging the HTPA.

[Metalject]

HOLY SHIT!

I normally refrain from posting in these threads (especially one concerning Tren, considering I devoted a giant write-up to it at the top of the forum where I do extensively answer the main question here). However, i'm sorry, I can't sit quietly here when I see such stupid comments like this popped off.

You think we don't get this kind of attitude around here every week for years upon years ever since this forum began? You think when you pull the whole "look at [INSERT FAMOUS BODYBUILDER/EX-BODYBUILDER HERE], he took steroids since he was two years old and he's okay!" that we haven't heard it before? You think we were born yesterday? First of all, who are you? Where did you get your degree in endocrinology? Are you Arnold's personal physician? Are you his endocrinologist? No, wait - you must be his personal biographer! Even they don't get that kind of information out of people!

How do you know Arnold is not on HRT right now? He likely is. How do you know he hasn't been on HRT since he was in his late 20s for starting anabolic steroids at such a young age? YOU DON'T KNOW! You assume that because you still see his face on TV and in the movies that he's a-ok and has no health problems. Let me break reality to you: you are dead wrong. You don't know if he is in perfect health or if he has serious underlying issues, or bad damage to his HPTA. Arnold (and nearly all of the other bodybuilders of his time) is far more likely to have serious issues at his age right now with regards to his HPTA, because he started using AAS at a time when proper protocols, PCT, etc. were nonexistant, and back at a time when nobody knew a damn thing about this stuff! Stop making stupid excuses up in your mind to validate using anabolic steroids at an inappropriate age, when you are being properly instructed and informed to do otherwise. It will behoove you right now and in the long run to stop the self-bullshitting.

Grow up.

That's all I have to say on this.

Not trying to bust balls or anything, but someone being an endocrinologist or any type of doctor is in my opinion not enough to take their word to heart when it comes to any topic on anabolic steroids. Some of these guys are the worst at perpetuating the hysteria with massive amounts of misinformation.

[Lunk1]

Agreed big time. Now every time I make a post in a thread where a younger guy is asking steroid questions I get scolded...for the record I'm not telling this guy to take Tren. But I agree, the side effects of Tren are highly exaggerated...the steroid itself is often talked about in a way that insinuates delusions of grandeur. Think about it, Tren is simply a slightly altered Nandrolone hormone...it's not a steroid from the fifth dimension.

This isn't said to take away from Trenbolone's power...of course it's powerful. But the side effects are still blown way out of proportion. A lot of guys can use Tren without the first ill-effect.

Damn it metel...go to your room! (My scolding)

[Metalject]

Damn it metel...go to your room! (My scolding)

Hey, I'm here to please...what else can I say

[Lord Me of There]

No bloody way...really? Ok kid, here goes. There's absolutely no reason for you not to run Tren in your first cycle. It's a miracle compound that will make all your jerk off fantasies come true. Women are going to flock to you and men will run scared. And man, you should be running a huge amounts...if a little is good the more must be great. It'll make your dick six inches longer and as big around as a coke can. You'll look like a God and all will worship your size.

[Lord Me of There]

you forgot TROLL...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.UGE9J7JlSDl

Unbelievable.

[ScotchGuard02]

You can run Tren on your first cycle, you can take steroids at 16, you can take any orals without Test. You can do a lot of things. You can jump from a plane without a parachute and hope the ocean breaks your fall. It isn't that you can't to these things. If you want to be safe and have a long term AAS experience it's really not advised you do them.

[stpete]

no need for identical threads..