why are?

[MickeyKnox]

That 'feeling' of being young and spry and positive again is not a 'high'... its not the same thing...

i know what youre saying Atomini and i understand, but regardless of the end physical result, the feeling while "on" is the intoxification whether that's simply how you feel when you look in the mirror or how your physiologically feel.

[Atomini]

So I guess my car is intoxicating, when I drive it at high speeds and get an adrenaline rush and feel awesome. Jeez, i'm a recreational speeder! I gotta get myself to speeders anonymous.

[Times Roman]

Times,
not about a debate.
i asked a question as to what point.

and if u think most people take steroids to only improve their bodies then u are wrong. u are a very smart man, and know the emotional high and low steroids put u on. there is a high feeling when a cycle is started. that can be ur intoxication there.
i get the rules, been around a long time, and wont break them, i was simply asking because soon my choice will be legal, and at that time will it be ok to discuss. or will it have to be legal in all states?
was just question..

Sorry mate,
Wasn't trying to single you out. I'll give you my opinion, and it's just that. You can take it up with admin if you like, and if you do, no hard feelings by me.

but here's my opinion. Federal law prohibits the use of marijuana. Until that law changes, it really doesn't matter what the state laws stipulate. for example, my home state, california, is at odds with the federal law. medical marijuana is legal, and we actually have clinics and places you can go to buy/smoke. But, from time to time, the feds will raid these places and shut them down. so for now, I'd suggest we abide by federal laws/guidelines to avoid any risk of exposure to this board and it's owners.

[MickeyKnox]

Euphoria:

is medically recognized as a mental and emotional condition in which a person experiences intense feelings of well-being, elation, happiness, excitement, and joy. Technically, euphoria is an affect, but the term is often colloquially used to define emotion as an intense state of transcendent happiness combined with an overwhelming sense of contentment. It has also been defined as an "affective state of exaggerated well-being or elation." The word derives from Greek εὐφορία, "power of enduring easily, fertility".

again, this is simply my opinion, but i think it's a solid one. i think it's very difficult to disprove that aas creates an intoxication and euphoria in most individuals. and it's this/these residual feelings that many users look forward too.

[MickeyKnox]

So I guess my car is intoxicating, when I drive it at high speeds and get an adrenaline rush and feel awesome. Jeez, i'm a recreational speeder! I gotta get myself to speeders anonymous.

lol..that's funny..

[MickeyKnox]

Sorry mate,
Wasn't trying to single you out. I'll give you my opinion, and it's just that. You can take it up with admin if you like, and if you do, no hard feelings by me.

but here's my opinion. Federal law prohibits the use of marijuana. Until that law changes, it really doesn't matter what the state laws stipulate. for example, my home state, california, is at odds with the federal law. medical marijuana is legal, and we actually have clinics and places you can go to buy/smoke. But, from time to time, the feds will raid these places and shut them down. so for now, I'd suggest we abide by federal laws/guidelines to avoid any risk of exposure to this board and it's owners.

the Board is based out of Cali correct TR?

[MuscleInk]

Mate,

marijuana will always be primarily a rec drug, even with an Rx. I know a half dozen with the card personally, and ALL have trumped up reasons just so they can smoke. People that do have a bona fide reason for smoking will probably not travel to our board.

If you want to discuss rec drugs. fine. just not on THIS board.

Thanks
---Roman

I am inclined to agree. The majority of "card bearing" individuals have solicited these cards solely for recreational purposes, not medicinal. Although I treat many terminally ill patients who swear by the benefits (increased appetite, lower blood pressure, nausea control, etc.) of the substance referenced here, many in the medical community still question the validity and utility of the substance and most of my colleagues will not condone or prescribe the substance. Those that chose to use the substance often do so outside the blessing of their PCP.

[MuscleInk]

So I guess my car is intoxicating, when I drive it at high speeds and get an adrenaline rush and feel awesome. Jeez, i'm a recreational speeder! I gotta get myself to speeders anonymous.

I suspected you were bad news, lol

......I find sex intoxicating but I'm not willing to admit I'm addicted.

[Times Roman]

the Board is based out of Cali correct TR?

No.

I am inclined to agree. The majority of "card bearing" individuals have solicited these cards solely for recreational purposes, not medicinal. Although I treat many terminally ill patients who swear by the benefits (increased appetite, lower blood pressure, nausea control, etc.) of the substance referenced here, many in the medical community still question the validity and utility of the substance and most of my colleagues will not condone or prescribe the substance. Those that chose to use the substance often do so outside the blessing of their PCP.

That's my point. These patients you refer to actually do have a bona fide reason for partaking, to improve appetitie, etc. But those individuals will probably never travel to this board.

[MickeyKnox]

Ink, when you get a sec, i would be interested to know your opinion on my pov, professionally or otherwise. thanks.

[MuscleInk]

Ink, when you get a sec, i would be interested to know your opinion on my pov, professionally or otherwise. thanks.

Ok. Will do. Driving to my next clinic. Will get back to you on this!

[MickeyKnox]

Ok. Will do. Driving to my next clinic. Will get back to you on this!

ok thanks.

[DanB]

So I guess my car is intoxicating, when I drive it at high speeds and get an adrenaline rush and feel awesome. Jeez, i'm a recreational speeder! I gotta get myself to speeders anonymous.

adreneline junkie

you can be addicted to adreneline, not adreneline itself but the escape from reality, similar with gambling, even fighting, fvcking, base jumps, irrational behaviour even training for some people

people use drugs to escape reality, different ways but same end result

rehab 101

[MuscleInk]

ok thanks.

Hey Mickey!

So DanB is on to something. In medicine, we define recreational use of any substances as the unsupervised/unprescribed use of any substance for the explicit purpose of inducing a change in a state of consciousness. The changed state of consciousness can be relaxation, arousal, euphoria or altered perceptions (e.g. Increased awareness or hallucinations), etc. If we limit the discussion for a moment to this singular definition, we would hence ask, are steroids taken without medical supervision (the answer can be yes, no, or both), and are they taken to alter a state of consciousness? Under the latter pretense, I would say, no, rarely (if ever) are steroids taken to alter one's conscious mind.

Now I don't disagree with you. While most people using anabolics are likely doing so for health benefits and muscle gain, some do select steroids to improve vitality, mood, sex drive, general well being, etc. to which I'd categorize as health benefits. Sure, improving your mood, energy, sex drive, etc is likely going to create a better state of mind or euphoria but this euphoric sense is a benefit or secondary outcome of steroids - i.e. having more energy and a better sex drive would make most people euphoric I suspect.

Would I classify steroids as recreational? Yes when it's in a nonprescribed setting. Would I categorize it in the same way as the other recreational compounds referenced in this thread? Based on the above definition, certainly not. Does that mean that steroid use is safe and always justified, heck no....but I'm not about to condemn their use either because they do offer numerous benefits despite their bad reputation.

Ok....now back to you for your thoughts!

[MickeyKnox]

Hey Mickey!

So DanB is on to something. In medicine, we define recreational use of any substances as the unsupervised/unprescribed use of any substance for the explicit purpose of inducing a change in a state of consciousness. The changed state of consciousness can be relaxation, arousal, euphoria or altered perceptions (e.g. Increased awareness or hallucinations), etc. If we limit the discussion for a moment to this singular definition, we would hence ask, are steroids taken without medical supervision (the answer can be yes, no, or both), and are they taken to alter a state of consciousness? Under the latter pretense, I would say, no, rarely (if ever) are steroids taken to alter one's conscious mind. i have to agree with you here. the euphoric feeling is simply a byproduct of the initial intent to better one health or improve other areas of the body.

Now I don't disagree with you. While most people using anabolics are likely doing so for health benefits and muscle gain, some do select steroids to improve vitality, mood, sex drive, general well being, etc. to which I'd categorize as health benefits. Sure, improving your mood, energy, sex drive, etc is likely going to create a better state of mind or euphoria but this euphoric sense is a benefit or secondary outcome of steroids - i.e. having more energy and a better sex drive would make most people euphoric I suspect. i agree with this as well.

Would I classify steroids as recreational? Yes when it's in a nonprescribed setting. Would I categorize it in the same way as the other recreational compounds referenced in this thread? Based on the above definition, certainly not. Does that mean that steroid use is safe and always justified, heck no....but I'm not about to condemn their use either because they do offer numerous benefits despite their bad reputation.

Ok....now back to you for your thoughts!

fair enough. but i still believe they are used recreationally by many people. and although they are not specifically taken to change ones mood, the feelings are not much different that any other recreational drug that's side effects are euphoric or toxic.

thanks Ink.

[MuscleInk]

fair enough. but i still believe they are used recreationally by many people. and although they are not specifically taken to change ones mood, the feelings are not much different that any other recreational drug that's side effects are euphoric or toxic.

thanks Ink.

Oh absolutely. By the definition I cited, the vast majority of users are recreational. Heck many guys on HRT even stack their therapies with non prescribed AAS. Toxicities. Certainly, but again I doubt few use with the intent of changing their conscious state of mind.

[dec11]

was question...

however, seeing how almost 99% of this board uses steroids as rec,not medical, i would hope u can see where my question was coming from.

more than 1% on medical trt mate

[dec11]

So I guess my car is intoxicating, when I drive it at high speeds and get an adrenaline rush and feel awesome. Jeez, i'm a recreational speeder! I gotta get myself to speeders anonymous.

yeah, i can vouch for that perspective on my choices of car and esp superbikes! nothing like your elbow brushing the side of a lorry/truck when you go for that 1 metre gap between 2 lol. (srsly, someday im gona die doing that )