why are?

[MickeyKnox]

That 'feeling' of being young and spry and positive again is not a 'high'... its not the same thing...

i know what youre saying Atomini and i understand, but regardless of the end physical result, the feeling while "on" is the intoxification whether that's simply how you feel when you look in the mirror or how your physiologically feel.

[Atomini]

So I guess my car is intoxicating, when I drive it at high speeds and get an adrenaline rush and feel awesome. Jeez, i'm a recreational speeder! I gotta get myself to speeders anonymous.

[MickeyKnox]

So I guess my car is intoxicating, when I drive it at high speeds and get an adrenaline rush and feel awesome. Jeez, i'm a recreational speeder! I gotta get myself to speeders anonymous.

lol..that's funny..

[MuscleInk]

So I guess my car is intoxicating, when I drive it at high speeds and get an adrenaline rush and feel awesome. Jeez, i'm a recreational speeder! I gotta get myself to speeders anonymous.

I suspected you were bad news, lol

......I find sex intoxicating but I'm not willing to admit I'm addicted.

[dec11]

So I guess my car is intoxicating, when I drive it at high speeds and get an adrenaline rush and feel awesome. Jeez, i'm a recreational speeder! I gotta get myself to speeders anonymous.

yeah, i can vouch for that perspective on my choices of car and esp superbikes! nothing like your elbow brushing the side of a lorry/truck when you go for that 1 metre gap between 2 lol. (srsly, someday im gona die doing that )

[MickeyKnox]

Euphoria:

is medically recognized as a mental and emotional condition in which a person experiences intense feelings of well-being, elation, happiness, excitement, and joy. Technically, euphoria is an affect, but the term is often colloquially used to define emotion as an intense state of transcendent happiness combined with an overwhelming sense of contentment. It has also been defined as an "affective state of exaggerated well-being or elation." The word derives from Greek εὐφορία, "power of enduring easily, fertility".

again, this is simply my opinion, but i think it's a solid one. i think it's very difficult to disprove that aas creates an intoxication and euphoria in most individuals. and it's this/these residual feelings that many users look forward too.

[MickeyKnox]

Ink, when you get a sec, i would be interested to know your opinion on my pov, professionally or otherwise. thanks.

[MuscleInk]

Ink, when you get a sec, i would be interested to know your opinion on my pov, professionally or otherwise. thanks.

Ok. Will do. Driving to my next clinic. Will get back to you on this!

[MickeyKnox]

Ok. Will do. Driving to my next clinic. Will get back to you on this!

ok thanks.

[MuscleInk]

ok thanks.

Hey Mickey!

So DanB is on to something. In medicine, we define recreational use of any substances as the unsupervised/unprescribed use of any substance for the explicit purpose of inducing a change in a state of consciousness. The changed state of consciousness can be relaxation, arousal, euphoria or altered perceptions (e.g. Increased awareness or hallucinations), etc. If we limit the discussion for a moment to this singular definition, we would hence ask, are steroids taken without medical supervision (the answer can be yes, no, or both), and are they taken to alter a state of consciousness? Under the latter pretense, I would say, no, rarely (if ever) are steroids taken to alter one's conscious mind.

Now I don't disagree with you. While most people using anabolics are likely doing so for health benefits and muscle gain, some do select steroids to improve vitality, mood, sex drive, general well being, etc. to which I'd categorize as health benefits. Sure, improving your mood, energy, sex drive, etc is likely going to create a better state of mind or euphoria but this euphoric sense is a benefit or secondary outcome of steroids - i.e. having more energy and a better sex drive would make most people euphoric I suspect.

Would I classify steroids as recreational? Yes when it's in a nonprescribed setting. Would I categorize it in the same way as the other recreational compounds referenced in this thread? Based on the above definition, certainly not. Does that mean that steroid use is safe and always justified, heck no....but I'm not about to condemn their use either because they do offer numerous benefits despite their bad reputation.

Ok....now back to you for your thoughts!

[MickeyKnox]

Hey Mickey!

So DanB is on to something. In medicine, we define recreational use of any substances as the unsupervised/unprescribed use of any substance for the explicit purpose of inducing a change in a state of consciousness. The changed state of consciousness can be relaxation, arousal, euphoria or altered perceptions (e.g. Increased awareness or hallucinations), etc. If we limit the discussion for a moment to this singular definition, we would hence ask, are steroids taken without medical supervision (the answer can be yes, no, or both), and are they taken to alter a state of consciousness? Under the latter pretense, I would say, no, rarely (if ever) are steroids taken to alter one's conscious mind. i have to agree with you here. the euphoric feeling is simply a byproduct of the initial intent to better one health or improve other areas of the body.

Now I don't disagree with you. While most people using anabolics are likely doing so for health benefits and muscle gain, some do select steroids to improve vitality, mood, sex drive, general well being, etc. to which I'd categorize as health benefits. Sure, improving your mood, energy, sex drive, etc is likely going to create a better state of mind or euphoria but this euphoric sense is a benefit or secondary outcome of steroids - i.e. having more energy and a better sex drive would make most people euphoric I suspect. i agree with this as well.

Would I classify steroids as recreational? Yes when it's in a nonprescribed setting. Would I categorize it in the same way as the other recreational compounds referenced in this thread? Based on the above definition, certainly not. Does that mean that steroid use is safe and always justified, heck no....but I'm not about to condemn their use either because they do offer numerous benefits despite their bad reputation.

Ok....now back to you for your thoughts!

fair enough. but i still believe they are used recreationally by many people. and although they are not specifically taken to change ones mood, the feelings are not much different that any other recreational drug that's side effects are euphoric or toxic.

thanks Ink.

[DanB]

So I guess my car is intoxicating, when I drive it at high speeds and get an adrenaline rush and feel awesome. Jeez, i'm a recreational speeder! I gotta get myself to speeders anonymous.

adreneline junkie

you can be addicted to adreneline, not adreneline itself but the escape from reality, similar with gambling, even fighting, fvcking, base jumps, irrational behaviour even training for some people

people use drugs to escape reality, different ways but same end result

rehab 101