Dbol & Test E vs Front Load Test E

[Phased]

YES...the gains are water retained by your muscles and shortly after coming off dbol the water weight goeas away and you have nothing.

This is why you want to run it at the beginning and not end. It starts you off, the test then completely finishes the job along with hardwork, diet and dedication in and out of the gym.
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[Lunk1]

This is why you want to run it at the beginning and not end. It starts you off, the test then completely finishes the job along with hardwork, diet and dedication in and out of the gym.
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I understand the concept Phased...hell I ran 4 weeks at 50mg on my current cycle. The problem is that too many think that the gains they see from Dbol will stay with them and we both know that just does not happen.

[Phased]

Can water weight be controlled with an ai and more importantly strict diet? Or does the water weight just pack on regardless.

Just answered this question above. Check it if you missed it
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[t-dogg]

Does tbol burn fat like anavar? I know its cheaper, but not sure if its as good as anavar.



Sorry to derail this thread everyone.

[Phased]

Does tbol burn fat like anavar? I know its cheaper, but not sure if its as good as anavar.

Sorry to derail this thread everyone.

Yes burns fat very well.

[t-dogg]

Yes burns fat very well.

Which do you feel is better?

[Lunk1]

Which do you feel is better?

At burning fat??? Tbol for sure

[Phased]

I understand the concept Phased...hell I ran 4 weeks at 50mg on my current cycle. The problem is that too many think that the gains they see from Dbol will stay with them and we both know that just does not happen.

As we are reading this I just downed 60mg of tbol.. you should be proud
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[Lunk1]

As we are reading this I just downed 60mg of tbol.. you should be proud
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That a boy lol. Is that as a kickstart or at the end???

[Phased]

Which do you feel is better?

Cost vs effectiveness or just effectiveness?

[Phased]

At burning fat??? Tbol for sure

Agreed

[t-dogg]

Cost vs effectiveness or just effectiveness?

Meaning if price isnt a issue. I can get anavar pretty cheap now. Not sure if i can get tbol.

But yeah, if price isnt a issue which is better.

[Lunk1]

Meaning if price isnt a issue. I can get anavar pretty cheap now. Not sure if i can get tbol.

But yeah, if price isnt a issue which is better.

If your looking for a hardener at the end or cutting then I still think Var is best over Tbol...

[boxa06]

Meaning if price isnt a issue. I can get anavar pretty cheap now. Not sure if i can get tbol.

But yeah, if price isnt a issue which is better.

For the price of 6 weeks worth of anavar here I could run another 2 massive cycles lol PCT included!

[Lunk1]

For the price of 6 weeks worth of anavar here I could run another 2 massive cycles lol PCT included!

Yep...real Var is high most everywhere

[Phased]

Meaning if price isnt a issue. I can get anavar pretty cheap now. Not sure if i can get tbol.

But yeah, if price isnt a issue which is better.

Tbol

[t-dogg]

At burning fat??? Tbol for sure

I need to look into tbol more. Anavar is amazing for me.



Tbol is cheaper normally isnt it?

[boxa06]

So I guess front loading is completely out of the question now hahaha

[t-dogg]

If your looking for a hardener at the end or cutting then I still think Var is best over Tbol...

But cutting fat you feel tbol is better?

[Phased]

I am not sure if Phased agrees or disagrees but with Dbol there will still be water retention. Thats what it does and thats how the kickstart wrks. It's unavoidable but with the diet and AI can be kept down to a degree

I don't recommend anyone do this..however I run clen 60mg w/keto at the first 2-4 weeks of any cycle to keep the initial bloat down from test and dbol. This is advanced users only please do not try this at home.

[Lunk1]

I don't recommend anyone do this..however I run clen 60mg w/keto at the first 2-4 weeks of any cycle to keep the initial bloat down from test and dbol. This is advanced users only please do not try this at home.

So would you agree that without measures like the one you mentioned that Dbol will still cause a realitively large amount of water retention??

[Phased]

I always thought of Dbol as a test tab so why would there be any more water retention than on test e, c or p?

Tbol is closer to a test tab
Oral-Turinabol; Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone. Molecular Formula

[t-dogg]

I need to research tbol more. And find a good source. Ive heard good things about it, but always thought anavar was the better way to go.

[Lunk1]

I need to research tbol more. And find a good source. Ive heard good things about it, but always thought anavar was the better way to go.

My opinion is that they are different use compounds. I would prefer Tbol as my kickstart but still prefer Var for it's hardening or drying capabitlities at the back side of a cycle

[Phased]

So would you agree that without measures like the one you mentioned that Dbol will still cause a realitively large amount of water retention??

Yes we are agreement. However if you refer to my other post, I favor dbol and test because of the strength gains initially which are needed to induce hypertrophy quicker during a short blast.

[Lunk1]

Yes we are agreement. However if you refer to my other post, I favor dbol and test because of the strength gains initially which are needed to induce hypertrophy quicker during a short blast.

i agree 100%...great thread with great info!

Just want to repeat that too many think gains from dbol will stay with them. If you use it with the knowledge of what it will and can do then it is a great drug (I guess this rule applys to most though)

[t-dogg]

My opinion is that they are different use compounds. I would prefer Tbol as my kickstart but still prefer Var for it's hardening or drying capabitlities at the back side of a cycle

Anavar cuts fat on me like crazy. Dried me out and made me hard lol.

Biggest thing for me was fat cutting.

[Phased]

Lunk what's you tbol dose. I'm at 100mg ED now.

[Lunk1]

Lunk what's you tbol dose. I'm at 100mg ED now.

Only tried it once at 80 but wish I would have run 100-150. My Dbol dose on this cycle was 50mg ED for 4 weeks

[Phased]

Only tried it once at 80 but wish I would have run 100-150. My Dbol dose on this cycle was 50mg ED for 4 weeks

If I don't keep enough water down lower back pain is horrible.

[Lunk1]

If I don't keep enough water down lower back pain is horrible.

This was my first time using Dbol and I had heard the same about that but I had 0 problems. It was liquid so I don't know if that would make a bit of difference (it shouldnt) I had no noticeable sides...other than the bloating lol

[Phased]

This was my first time using Dbol and I had heard the same about that but I had 0 problems. It was liquid so I don't know if that would make a bit of difference (it shouldnt) I had no noticeable sides...other than the bloating lol

Wait are you talking bout tbol or dbol? I'm refering to tbol.

[Lunk1]

Wait are you talking bout tbol or dbol? I'm refering to tbol.

In that post I was refering to Dbol and my usage on this cycle. I refered to both Tbol and dbol experiences. Sorry for the confusion.

[Phased]

In that post I was refering to Dbol and my usage on this cycle. I refered to both Tbol and dbol experiences. Sorry for the confusion.

Wow ok, you been trashing dbol so much I never thought it would hit your stomach
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[stpete]

Yeah, let's get this cleared up. hahaha..

[boxa06]

Thanks for your input in this topic LUNK1, PHASED AND STPETE.

Is the water retention you guys speak of with the Dbol held within the muscle or outside of the muscle? For example. I don't wonna be holding water around my stomach area coz that will look sh!t lol

Assuming my diet is 100% clean

[Phased]

Thanks for your input in this topic LUNK1, PHASED AND STPETE.

Is the water retention you guys speak of with the Dbol held within the muscle or outside of the muscle? For example. I don't wonna be holding water around my stomach area coz that will look sh!t lol

Assuming my diet is 100% clean

Yes face and stomach.
You seem advanced, you can try my clen trick. But I understand if you chose to disregaurd. Not for the faint of heart.

[boxa06]

Yes face and stomach.
You seem advanced, you can try my clen trick. But I understand if you chose to disregaurd. Not for the faint of heart.

Dammit! Even if I eat super super clean?

What clen trick? I tried clen and it makes me feel crappy

[Phased]

Dammit! Even if I eat super super clean?

What clen trick? I tried clen and it makes me feel crappy

Not for everyone disregaurd for you sake..
Bloating will sub side after 4 weeks are oral of kickstart.
Keep diet in check

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[stpete]

Thanks for your input in this topic LUNK1, PHASED AND STPETE.

Is the water retention you guys speak of with the Dbol held within the muscle or outside of the muscle? For example. I don't wonna be holding water around my stomach area coz that will look sh!t lol

Assuming my diet is 100% clean

Within mostly. But you will get a little bloat probably in your mid section. If you live in a cold weather climate during the winters, don't worry about it. The sweatshirt or extra clothing will cover it up and make you look even bigger. Come March, your ass better be working to get into that wife beater!