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[MickeyKnox]

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[freddy1418]

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[songdog]

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[sixfootseven]

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[Welsy23]

I'm a newbie and proud....umm never mind because I don't know shite about any of this so thank you Mickey. Now I just need to learn all the lingo and decipher the acronyms so I know what the hell you're all referring to.

[MickeyKnox]

Hi guys..so am new to AAS I taken my body for 9years to where am at!
185lbs 30y/o first cycle did research for about a year before, and you guys help me a lot. With your advice am doing test cypionate 250x2week= 500mg, now am in my second week haven't felt or seen negative side effects just began to feel a hardening effect or maybe it's a placebo effect! Lol now I know it's a long ester so, and I should be seeing a change in week 5,6,7,8 since am doing a slingshot program, it's just hard to do less reps and keep it at a 9- 12 rep per body part,am use to working out till my body is sore, well changing my way of thinking! My question are:
In my second reload should I continue with test cyp or choose another test??? Like a short ester?? And I was told to keep with test and don't implement more AAS.? Any advice will be helpful. I always read the post and stickies here daily!!! ?

Thanks Tron for the reply, yes it's my first cycle! And am not on trt, what do you mean it's an advance cycle? I don't want to do orals not right now! I read treads that specify to do a short test in order to began your pct afterward, am doing the20 weeks and I was advices by many here to just do test first due to my background, And see how my body reacts to it then maybe by cycle 3 or 4 think of other AAS. I do thank you guys cause besides reading I do want to know more about it! And I know reading and actually using it and seen results manifest in my body it's totally different, cause like a newbie I got many AAS and almost used then like D-Bol, deca, tren A. But you guys help out a lot, so I listen and looking forward the results, any thing you or any one can recommend ??? Thanks

Mr Lenny,

This is your first cycle. Do not complicate it with slingshots, or intermediate, or any other advanced cycle. Just stick to whats contained in this thread.

Your first cycle is test ONLY and should begin with a long ester for 12 wks in order for you to experience injecting twice a wk and administering your AI and hCG correctly. This will also allow you to develop the senses required to understand your body and the reactions you will discover, not only with the added exogenous testosterone, but with the inevitable unwanted associated sides.

I highly recommend your first cycle to be Option 2 Long Ester. This is a terrific first cycle, and contains all the elements previously mentioned.

Good luck.


Option 2. Long Ester

Wk 1-12 Testosterone Enanthate = 250mg twice/wk e3.5d
Wk 1-12 Aromasin 10mg ED - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-14.5 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before test injection.

PCT
Begins wk 15 to wk 19

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

[KReyn]

I'd doing my research for my first cycle and have a couple questions. How would test prop compare to test cyp or test e? Also my buddy told me it would be good to incorporate tren into my first cycle. Any thoughts on this? I'm new to this game and have a lot of reserarch to do and any input/advice is appreciated.

[austinite]

I'd doing my research for my first cycle and have a couple questions. How would test prop compare to test cyp or test e? Also my buddy told me it would be good to incorporate tren into my first cycle. Any thoughts on this? I'm new to this game and have a lot of reserarch to do and any input/advice is appreciated.

Prop works much faster and has a much shorter life, hence the more frequent injections. Tren is not a good idea for a first cycle. It can be a very harsh compound and you need to see how your body reacts to test alone since it will be your base for all future cycles.

You can acomplish your goal if done properly with an 8 week cycle of prop, where Test E or C could take up to 12 weeks to accomplish the same goal, but you don't have to pin as much. I prefer the longer ester.

[KReyn]

Prop works much faster and has a much shorter life, hence the more frequent injections. Tren is not a good idea for a first cycle. It can be a very harsh compound and you need to see how your body reacts to test alone since it will be your base for all future cycles.

You can acomplish your goal if done properly with an 8 week cycle of prop, where Test E or C could take up to 12 weeks to accomplish the same goal, but you don't have to pin as much. I prefer the longer ester.

Thanks for the input. Do you just prefer the longer ester because there is less pinning? Or are there other pro's?

[austinite]

Thanks for the input. Do you just prefer the longer ester because there is less pinning? Or are there other pro's?

Less pinning and accommodates my schedule better. That and I've developed a great deal of patience over the years.

[KReyn]

Less pinning and accommodates my schedule better. That and I've developed a great deal of patience over the years.

Cool, thanks again sir.

[marcus300]

I would much prefer to see the var start from day one on the short cycle example rather than week 2 especially when your using prop, no need to lag the var when the prop will be in there doing its job from week one..

[Gaspari1255]

"**All AAS cycles should include an AI, hCG, and PCT – no exceptions!**"



I obviously agree on PCT, but why are HCG and an AI 100% necessary? I think it's a good idea to have an AI on hand, but I don't see how you NEED it and don't understand why you would need HCG for such basic, non- 19nor cycles?

[Brohim]

"**All AAS cycles should include an AI, hCG, and PCT – no exceptions!**"



I obviously agree on PCT, but why are HCG and an AI 100% necessary? I think it's a good idea to have an AI on hand, but I don't see how you NEED it and don't understand why you would need HCG for such basic, non- 19nor cycles?

High E2 can cause bloating and BP issues which are very serious. Not to mention Estrogen is 200x more supressive than Test. This isn't an HRT dose of Test it's a cycle.

[austinite]

All you need to know is what happens to Testosterone once administered, then you will understand why you need an AI and HCG.

[sgt2jay]

i notice on option 2 you start hcg right away and pct the 1st week after last injection

I have read hcg starting week 2 and pct 2 weeks after last injection. have i read wrong or am i reading some out dated protocol. either way im and stocked to run either way and open to changing.

[Lunk1]

I keep refering to my previos cycles that I NEVER used an AI.. had it on hand but had gotten bad advice to only use it if gyn showed. I am not gyno prone (thank god) but on my last cycle I experienced high BP to the point of being hypertensive. I was also having a difficult time gaining and maintaining and erection. God only knows what other underlying issues I may have been experiencing.

Now...adding and AI to my cycle and NONE of thos problems exist. Ppl get too wrapped up in gyno and dismiss some of the other dangerous symptoms of high E2

[KReyn]

Is a long ester cycle better for a bulk, cut, or either or?

[Lunk1]

Is a long ester cycle better for a bulk, cut, or either or?

Long ester vs short is a matter of preference based on a number of factors such as pinning schedule, time on or off cycle. (for example, I like to run 2 long ester cycles a year, but I could run 3 short estered instead). The end of the day it all the same stuff!

[juggyk]

great thread.. well explained

[bigZthedestroyer]

Nice Mick!

[MickeyKnox]

Good job Bro

great thread.. well explained

Nice Mick!

Thanks guys!

i notice on option 2 you start hcg right away and pct the 1st week after last injection

I have read hcg starting week 2 and pct 2 weeks after last injection. have i read wrong or am i reading some out dated protocol. either way im and stocked to run either way and open to changing.

Beginning hCG at the first wk of a cycle is a widely accepted and proven protocol by the majority of those AAS users, and medical professionals, that include or recommend hCG on cycle. However, you can start it in the second, or even third, wk depending on the ester without any complications.

Also, hCG is best included on cycle up to 3-4 days before PCT. This is also widely accepted and proven to be the most effective way at administering hCG prior to commencing PCT. However, up to the first day of PCT will not complicate your PCT enough to create any significant complications or delays.

My suggestions are based on universal best practices that will achieve the most desired results.

Hope that clears up any confusion.

[sgt2jay]

clears it up hcg starts asap. i also see you have pct starting on week after last injection my last cycle which was my first i waited 2 weeks.
i am assuming you recommend sart after one week which i will follow

[MickeyKnox]

clears it up hcg starts asap. i also see you have pct starting on week after last injection my last cycle which was my first i waited 2 weeks.
i am assuming you recommend sart after one week which i will follow

PCT begins two wks after last testosterone enanthate injection, but 3-4 days after last hCG injection.

[sgt2jay]

thanks
i mis read

[incipio]

interesting, I started off with 400mg of test e a week with a kickstart of winny. so far it is going good.

[GoldenSultanPrince]

I have question, ok does it matter when we do it? I mean like say I go to the Gym 3 days in a Week and do full body workout, so I would just inject in those 3 days of the week for 11 or 12 weeks that I work out? I mean it would be pointless to do it other times when I am in University and not working out?

[warmouth]

Nice Sticky Mickey!

[KReyn]

Edit: sorry for the faux pas, I appreciate all the help.

[incipio]

Just curious what would you say the average price (USD) range is for a long ester cycle?

depends on the brand kalpa test e is around 45, then balkin test e is 35, and that is per a vial 10ml. I guess it all depends on the quality of gear your getting.

[banehallow]

Nice post, very informative

[>Good Luck<]

Edit your posts, there is no talk of price round here!!

[MickeyKnox]

I have question, ok does it matter when we do it? I mean like say I go to the Gym 3 days in a Week and do full body workout, so I would just inject in those 3 days of the week for 11 or 12 weeks that I work out? I mean it would be pointless to do it other times when I am in University and not working out?

Nice Sticky Mickey!

lol@"Sticky Mickey."

Just curious xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx for a long ester cycle?

As GoodLuck has said, please edit your post to exclude you question about price. Discussing price about AAS is against the rules. Thank you.

depends on the brand kalpa test e is around xx, then balkin test e is xx, and that is per a vial 10ml. I guess it all depends on the quality of gear your getting.

Same goes for you bro. Please edit your post to exclude price discussion. Thanks a lot.

I've read here that long and short esters and practically the same and only depends on your schedule and preference but can someone inform us (the newbie) from a financial point of view? Will aiming for short ester cycle be more cost efficient since you only get that amount of steriods vs long esters?

I'm really interested in starting my doses but have a strict budget to how much goes where and appreciate anyone with knowledge of this.

Thank you!

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but once again, we don't discuss price or financial points of view on here regarding AAS. Sorry bro. Please edit your post. Thanks.

Long and short esters are not practically the same.

[banehallow]

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but once again, we don't discuss price or financial points of view on here regarding AAS. Sorry bro. Please edit your post. Thanks.

Long and short esters are not practically the same.

done, edited.

[austinite]

Mickey, I'm about to start my 1st cycle. can I PM you questions? I don't want to say them in public.

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[MickeyKnox]

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[Shsm]

Very cool.