Inject vs oral winny

[CanYouDigIt]

because I have 15 min, and I don't know if I can actually pull it all out or I wasn't planning to do this before going to bed, so tomorrow if I have time I will if you really want it.

[panntastic]

Why won't you go into explaining why you believe the toxicity differences are so significant? Not being a jerk, just asking you to back up a claim.

I'm sure there is no difference to be honest.
It's processed by the liver if its drank swallowed or injected.
In my honest opinion I would rather cap it and swallow it instead of injecting or swallowing as a suspension.
A; Suspensions taste like crap and if its winny in water it's open to a host of bacteria
B; winny in oil (solution) WILL contain guiacol and that is just a nasty chemical that can cause muscle necrosis and cellulitis.
C; injecting water based hurts like crap why would you want to do that?
D; why inject more oil into muscle than you need to when you can pop 2 caps/tabs a day is beyond me.
Just my thoughts

[gymfu]

Here's a good little excerpt:

"Normally, when an oral drug is taken, it is shuttled directly to the liver in one lump dose. Whatever gets through the liver the first time will slowly be processed on subsequent passes. Transdermal application avoids this first ‘bolus’ dose to the liver. But I am hesitant to even ascribe an advantage to this type of use. Remember, injectable versions of oral steroids do the exact same thing— avoid the first pass. But we have plenty of documented evidence that a drug like injectable Winstrol can produce the same issues of high liver-toxicity as the oral. So while it may be a little better, I definitely warn against any false sense of health security. " William Llewelln - 2009

Hum....we need to check this with bloodwork. I always thought I was doing my liver a favor by using injectables. Have you guys ever had bloodwork done while on a cycle? I have on my last two cycles (test and deca, test and tren) and liver enzymes were elevated to about double the high norm, I attributed it to having to use a low dose of acutane.

[Metalject]

Hum....we need to check this with bloodwork. I always thought I was doing my liver a favor by using injectables. Have you guys ever had bloodwork done while on a cycle? I have on my last two cycles (test and deca, test and tren) and liver enzymes were elevated to about double the high norm, I attributed it to having to use a low dose of acutane.

I've had my blood taken on cycle many times. I always had my blood checked every 16wks for years and was on much more of the year than off so sometimes the blood test would be on cycle. I was fortunate at that time to have a friend who did it and ran it all for me for free. Anyway, my liver enzyme values run a little higher than normal naturally...remember, "normal" is just the average. Anyway, my enzyme values were always a little high with Dbol, not too alarming though but nothing you'd want to maintain long term. Winstrol, not as harsh on my liver as Dbol and didn't seem to make a difference oral or injectable. Anyway, Dbol and Winstrol are really the only two oral I ever really cared for or used in mass amounts. I did use other orals but those were the main ones.

Funny thing, the highest my enzyme values ever got was when using the old 1-AD pro hormone...shot up to 79. I also broke out in a rash all over my stomach, hands and feet. Only thing I ever used that gave me a real problem...never had any issue like that with any actual steroid.