Next cycle Dbol, sust, tren, proviron, masteron anavar

[XxAndreaxX]

Ok, I'm looking forward to do this cycle, But now I’ve got another doubt.
I finished cycle since 2 weeks right now, PCT is doing good, but with the decanoate ester, I should have still a good amount in.
My goal is till June:
-Maintain muscle
-Maintain BF
I started Creatine last day, and stim free PWO
Take the same amount of protein like I was on, but I’m playng with carbs.
Like I said, I don’t want to loose BF, I’m in a very good shape, (see foto).
My workouts will be like on, full power 10-8-6 sets for multipower, and 12-10-8 for concentrate, and try to maintain strenght.
The only big chance I made, is quit cardio after workout.
While on, I’m doing 25min full power elliptical bike, only moving legs, but I quit it because of greater catabolism chance.
This 25min are always the key for my definition, but I really don’t know what to do.
Quit cardio and quit a good amount of carbs, or go on with cardio and carbs??
I’m feeling like without cardio, I’m loosing control of BF
Thanks!!!

[XxAndreaxX]

hi all!!
so I revised my cycle, and now the definitive cycle:

Week 1-2
250 sust EW
30 dbol ED
400 Tren E EW

Week 2-4
250 sust EW
30 dbol ED
400 Tren E EW
400 Masteron E EW
10 Aromasin ED

Week 4-10
250 sust EW
400 Tren E EW
400 Masteron E EW
10 Aromasin ED
0,5 Caber EW
125 UI HCG E3D

Week 10-12
250 Sust EW
400 masteron E EW
10 Aromasin ED
0,5 Caber EW
125 UI HCG E3D

PCT

was thinking about to add some Var the last 4 weeks but first lets see the results the first 8 weeks.
What do you think about that cycle??
maybe I should raise Tren?? due its Enanthate ester, 400mg could be similar to 350mg of tren Ace no?
In my last cycle I went as high as 525mg EW with tren ace, and no sides.
Please give me some feedback, an please please, don't come with go to nutrition section, post your diet etc.
I already have a thread in nutrition, so if you want to give me some nutrition hint, write there thanks.
Here, I want only thoughts about the cycle, thats it.
thanks!!!

[Doom44]

bodybuilding is an art. It take time to build even you are on steroid. But hey man you want to reach the sky in a single bound

[Back In Black]

Sounds great. Don't forget to stack it with McDonald's 4 times a day and you're on to a winner.

You finished PCT only 4 weeks ago.

Mate, you are an absolute idiot!

[bigsiv]

Sounds great. Don't forget to stack it with McDonald's 4 times a day and you're on to a winner.

Mate, you are an absolute idiot!

Ha ha ha ha superb BIB!

[XxAndreaxX]

Sounds great. Don't forget to stack it with McDonald's 4 times a day and you're on to a winner.

You finished PCT only 4 weeks ago.

Mate, you are an absolute idiot!

and if I wait 4 more weeks, I'll reach the right time on=time off. so normally I should be fine.
And obviously, before starting cycle I'll do BW.
But that's my problem, I only wanted some feedback about the structure of the cycle. If its correct, or i should change something.

[Back In Black]

and if I wait 4 more weeks, I'll reach the right time on=time off. so normally I should be fine.
And obviously, before starting cycle I'll do BW.
But that's my problem, I only wanted some feedback about the structure of the cycle. If its correct, or i should change something.

Your last cycle was only 4 weeks with 4 weeks PCT? I don't think so. Time on + PCT = time off.

Get in your nutrition thread.

[XxAndreaxX]

yeah, just replied

[XxAndreaxX]

hi, so I'm 6 days in dbol, no changes in diet, and went up 2+ kg
So you'll ask, why Dbol for cutting?
ok its an experiment, I'm very lean, I'm below 10% BF, but like I said, I want to cut down, and bulk at the same time.
so the Idea was put on some water, and then, let the tren and masteron to finish the job.
the strange thing is that I gained in my first 5-6 days, 2kg. I know water retention from a hormone is very different from water retention from creatine. estrogen will put on water in both muscle tissue and fat tissue right??
But, I thaught, with 10% i should retain more or less everything in muscle tissue... Whar should I expect next weeks??
will I loose definition even If I don't have nearly fat on my body??
Ah, until now, no changes in diet
thanks

[songdog]

Yeah there are a few more compounds you can add to that bro.Hell you are a walking pharmacutical!

[Back In Black]

It's good that you are pounding all these compounds into your body without really knowing what they do. Absolute genius! At least it will be your last cycle, thankfully.

[XxAndreaxX]

yes, it will be my last cycle.
I know what compounds do, that’s why I wanted to try it out.
But since I never used Dbol, I was wondering if subcutaneous water retention is that strong.
I feel, I’m loosing definition, Its like I’m getting fat, even if I still have visible veins on my abs, but it’s a strange feeling.
My diet is the same, maybe I should lower carbs?? What should I expect in the next few weeks before tren and masteron enanthate will begin to take effect?
Should I expect very much bloat, even in the fat area, not only muscle??
thanks

[Back In Black]

yes, it will be my last cycle.
I know what compounds do, that's why I wanted to try it out.
But since I never used Dbol, I was wondering if subcutaneous water retention is that strong.
I feel, I'm loosing definition, Its like I'm getting fat, even if I still have visible veins on my abs, but it's a strange feeling.
My diet is the same, maybe I should lower carbs?? What should I expect in the next few weeks before tren and masteron enanthate will begin to take effect?
Should I expect very much bloat, even in the fat area, not only muscle??
thanks

Maybe you should learn to diet.

[panntastic]

How are you still here?
You post the most ridiculous cycles an treat your body like its an experiment
Mainlining them compounds will get you better results

[Back In Black]

How are you still here?
You post the most ridiculous cycles an treat your body like its an experiment
Mainlining them compounds will get you better results

Comedy value my friend, comedy value

[panntastic]

Comedy value my friend, comedy value

He's got to be snowblowjoe under a different name?
Some seriously dumb shit has come up the past few days how people have made it far enough in life to consider steroids when clearly reminding themselves to eat is a hard and challenging task

[XxAndreaxX]

I know that my diet is shit, I know that my roids are fake, and I know that I train wrong...
But I only wanted to know, If I should expect, sub****aneous retention even if I'm at 10% or below of BF...
At the end of the day, only results counts

[Alright john]

Your in a rush ? Your getting flamed quite a bit.
Why don't you forget this roid recipe and listen to some advice as that's what your asking for on here. Why ask advise and ignore it.
If your going to stick with the Tren & test why not just follow Attomis Tren advice and. Cycle Dosage and length.
You have many years to grow big.

[D7X]

Are you trying to become Arnold or something in just a few months? Achieving your goals can take time and it seems like you do not have the patience to go there. Stacking all these compounds would not do much if your training schedule and diet is not in order. There are different phases which should be cycled - bulking, cutting, rest, then you go again. You want to become big and lean all at once for the least time frame you can imagine. Believe me, that's what all we want but it just doesn't happen this way unless you are blessed with unique genetics. I wonder if you would be doing bloodwork during that cycle. IMO this thread could be a sticky named "What NOT to do and how NOT to build your cycles". And the answer to your question is yes, you can expect bloat from the dbol, as the compound is not for cutting and is usually used only for kickstart purposes to give a boost at the beginning of cycles until the other compounds start to work.

Bottom line, as already everyone experienced on this forum told you what you are doing is extremely wrong. Whatever you are doing is your own business, just make sure you would not be one of the guys who come back after a few years and tell "I messed this and that, I should have listened to you guys, how do I fix this now.". I have no idea how old you are, but judging by the way you express your thoughts and how you insist on whatever crap you decided to go with and confident enough in whatever you have decided to do even if everyone told you it is a complete nonsense you seem to be around your 20s. Anyway, good luck on whatever you are up to, I advise you to learn how to respect others' opinions and especially those who seem to be more experienced and argument themselves clearly on why what you are doing is wrong. Would be interesting to see some bloodwork

[XxAndreaxX]

yes I should do some bloodwork, but I was always fine after PCT.
My diet is in check, not the best diet around here, but it works. thanks for the last answers.

[XxAndreaxX]

Hi all,
So I’m on
30mg ED Dianabol
450mg EW tren E
500mg EW Masteron E
500mg EW Sust

The first 2 weeks, I was gaining weight like crazy, went from 76,5kg to 80-81kg then I started to get some puffy nips, and was forced to start with Exemestane.
Since I’m on exemestane 10mg ED, I’m not gaining weight any more, I’m on my 4th Dbol week, and I’m still between 79-80kg.
I’m not against water weight this time, because I have very low BF, under 10%, and the purpose of dbol was only aesthetic.
Maybe next time, I should start with dianabol and test and Nolva, and then when I start with tren, switch to exemestane.
But what’s happening to me is totally normal right??? AI + Dbol = waste of Dbol??

[panntastic]

Hi all,
So I'm on
30mg ED Dianabol
450mg EW tren E
500mg EW Masteron E
500mg EW Sust

The first 2 weeks, I was gaining weight like crazy, went from 76,5kg to 80-81kg then I started to get some puffy nips, and was forced to start with Exemestane.
Since I'm on exemestane 10mg ED, I'm not gaining weight any more, I'm on my 4th Dbol week, and I'm still between 79-80kg.
I'm not against water weight this time, because I have very low BF, under 10%, and the purpose of dbol was only aesthetic.
Maybe next time, I should start with dianabol and test and Nolva, and then when I start with tren, switch to exemestane.
But what's happening to me is totally normal right??? AI + Dbol = waste of Dbol??

Sorted your diet out yet?
You really shouldn't be taking any steroids
Take it all the posts from other member fell on deaf ears?

[XxAndreaxX]

can't you just answer my question??? If you think its a stupid question, then directly don't say anything please.
And BTW, I'll upload a photo soon, and I think, most of you, will freak out bout my results...
I saw photos of most of you, and I think I'm doing a very good job...

[Red Bastard]

And BTW, I'll upload a photo soon, and I think, most of you, will freak out bout my results...
I saw photos of most of you, and I think I'm doing a very good job...

So? I'm wondering where that picture is...

[XxAndreaxX]

Ah, Panntastic its you, I didn’t saw your Nick, anyways, I have all the respect for you, you helped me out many times, and I learned very much from you, but I think my question isn’t that stupid, and my diet is in check, could be better, but I’m having the results I’m expecting (now from the diet).

[XxAndreaxX]

Something is getting very wrong, I mean, in the first 2 weeks I went up nearly 3-4 kg and now I’m stuck at 80kg, were normally people say, the last dbol week (4th) is the strongest. Gyno is getting a concern, I’m controlling it, but I don’t want to take too much AI, because I don’t want to loose size. There are people who claim they get 10kg with Dbol.
Other thing ist that tren E kicked in a while back, since more than a week, I’m sweating the hell out of me at night, but I’m not even loosing the remaining fat, I’m stuck at 80kg since 1,5 weeks, people say they see me bigger, but maybe it’s the tan-effect. What could be wrong except the diet, because the diet is in check, it’s the same diet I had before starting cycle, but with some more proteins and little more carbs and fats, but minor changes.
Masteron E should kick in soon too, because I’m a week in, at 500mg EW.
Ok I have to explain one thing, week 2 I had to go to my family for 1 week, and couldn’t do any diet, I was eating only junk, imagine pizza everyday and chocolate, cheese Pringles and Cocacola and no proteins. I lost some definition, but now it’s a week later with proper diet, and I’m not seeing any changes. Maybe I should wait some more time?

[Capebuffalo]

I'm late to the party. This guys not for real is he ? No way someone would actually be posting this bull sh!t. No way.

[XxAndreaxX]

ufff

[XxAndreaxX]

Ok, another question, maybe its easier for you to answer, Water retention is directly proportional to e2 rise and gyno flare up??
I explain: if I take Dbol, I’ll get bloat, and gyno due e2 raise.
If I take an AI, I’ll reduce e2, so I’ll reduce gyno and bloat.
But is gyno reduction proportional to bloat reduction?? Or could I have bloat without gyno if I take the right dose?
Or the only way to have some water size is to replace AI with nolva??

[panntastic]

Ok, another question, maybe its easier for you to answer, Water retention is directly proportional to e2 rise and gyno flare up??
I explain: if I take Dbol, I'll get bloat, and gyno due e2 raise.
If I take an AI, I'll reduce e2, so I'll reduce gyno and bloat.
But is gyno reduction proportional to bloat reduction?? Or could I have bloat without gyno if I take the right dose?
Or the only way to have some water size is to replace AI with nolva??

Water retention/ bloat is also related to sodium in diet not just e2

[XxAndreaxX]

so if I raise sodium, I could get some size without getting gyno??
I'm on week 5/12 and I'm freakin shredded, but I'm loosing size!!! I know, Its because of the high androgenic activity of masteron/tren, that's killing all the water gains of dianabol. I was at 81kg, now I'm at 79.5kg and I'm really fighting for not loosing weight.
I Just added 25mcg of T3 too, hope it will not start some sort of catabolism, but I think 25mcg will only maintain biological levels.
I love my body now, It seems it comes from another planet, never had veins on my abs, everyone tells me that's amazing. but I need 2 more kg for good proportions, the best would be 85kg.
I think my diet is perfect right now, because I'm loosing very slowly all the fat I got, and still everything high enough to give me some real power I never experienced in my life.
I've got a photo, but I have to edit it, cause my friends are on it too, when I have time, I'll do it.
So at the end of the day, what can I do to get some muscle size, even fake size??
Creatine?? more sodium?? stop taking AI, and switch to nolva, with care of cabergoline??
Ah, If I get some water size, will I loose the hard rock effect of masteron??
Thanks!!

[Capebuffalo]

Are you for real. You will increase your sodium intake to gain bloat to look bigger? That's a bad joke.

[Back In Black]

Eat some fvcking food!!!!!!

[XxAndreaxX]

I'm not a bodybuilder, I only want a Beach look. so It doesn't matter if I have water size or muscle size, I only know, I have to be in shape for the next 2 months.

[Back In Black]

Then go eat McDonalds

[Capebuffalo]

Aas has a tendency to raise bp. So does sodium. You see a problem here?

[Back In Black]

Freak about you losing 4kgs/9lbs in 4 weeks! You weight 176lbs at over 6foot. I'm pretty sure we won't freak but please, post the pic, lets see what 4 or 5 heavy AAS cycles has made you.

[Chx beach 79]

To skinny and not enough training or AAS knowledge to pull this off! This probably is a joke... It sound like a joke. No one would be this ignorant.

[Back In Black]

I just had a quick look about. This is your 5th cycle I'm pretty sure. Your first was a PH and you ran tren on your 2nd cycle.

You gained 3kgs in the last year. This is your 3rd cycle in that time. 3 cycles to gain 3kgs. Am I wrong in this?

This is what you looked like a year ago and the 2nd picture is another 2 cycles after the first, 4 cycles in total.





Come on, make us freak out.

[Chx beach 79]

Come on this guy is just kidding right???