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[keep fightin]

I have felt progressively better moving from 1x100mg T [I.M.] weekly to 2x50mg T [I.M.] weekly, 2x50 T [SQ] weekly, at this point cut anastrozole usage in half but that's another story! to my current,10 months, protocol of 3x50mg T [SQ]. after 2 years of progress on TRT this current regime saw me drop 7.5 pounds of fat and gain 11.5 pounds of LBM, cant say just because of going SQ but feel very consistent all week and dialed in, the draw with a 29 gauge is quick and easy

[roxer]

to my current,10 months, protocol of 3x50mg T [SQ]...

What days do you use for this protocol?

[keep fightin]

I do 50mg T mon, wed, fri. just in the evening,I don't sweat counting the hours to make it a perfect 3 way split of the week. nothing scientific about those days, just easy to remember, do the fri shot cause my wife wants me in fighting form for the weekend, her motor is always running!

[OLDANDWEAK]

Here are the test results I promised. copied and pasted from my other thread. previously with doing 200mg. test IM once every two weeks my total test was 680 in the same test range as here. unfortunately I have no other results frm that round of testing. this time is after 6 or 7 months of doing subQ injections twice weekly.

Here are the test results after 6 or 7 months on subQ injections.

Stats:
45 years old
5'11" 165 lbs. 10/11%BF

Protocol:
50mg. test cyp. twice weekly
250IU's HCG twice weekly
no AI

BP at time of blood withdrawel 126/80
total testosterone 816 ng/dl 348-1197
free testosterone 19.7 ng/dl 6.8-21.5
SHBG 24.2 nmol/L 16.5-55.9
Estradiol sensitive 22 pg/nL 3-70
LH 0.2 nIU/nL 1.7-8.6
FSH 0.3 nIU/nL 1.5-12.4
prolactin 9.5 ng/nL 4.0-15.2
Cortisol 6.1 ug/dL 2.3-19.4
T4 direct 0.98 ng/dL 0.82-1.77
RBC 5.09 X10e6/uL 4.14-5.80
Hemaglobin 16.0 g/dL 12.6-17.7
Hematocrit 47.9 % 37.5-51
glucose serum 91 ng/dL 65-99
BUN 24 ng/dL 6-24
creatinine serum 2.16 ng/dL 0.76-1.27
eGFR (non African American) 76 nL/nin/1.73 >59
BUN/creatinine ratio 21 HIGH 9-20
cholesterol total 175 ng/dL 100-199
Tryglycerides 38 ng/dL 0-149
HDL cholesterol 60 ng/dL >39
VLDL cholesterol 8 ng/dL 5-40
LDL cholesterol 107 ng/dL 0-99
LDL/HDL ratio 1.8 ratio units 0.0-3.6
PSA 0.7 ng/nL 0.0-4.0
IGF-1 273 HIGH ng/mL 64-210
T-3 uptake 32 % 24-39
Vitamin D 25 Hydroxy 49.4 ng/nL 30-100

If I left out anything important please let me know. And give your advice on anything I can improve on. I plan to start a vitamin D supplement ASAP.
The doctor wants me to come back in 30 days for more thyroid tests, didn't say why, just that something was low and needed to be retested.

[100%]

Here are the test results I promised. copied and pasted from my other thread. previously with doing 200mg. test IM once every two weeks my total test was 680 in the same test range as here. unfortunately I have no other results frm that round of testing. this time is after 6 or 7 months of doing subQ injections twice weekly.

Here are the test results after 6 or 7 months on subQ injections.

Stats:
45 years old
5'11" 165 lbs. 10/11%BF

Protocol:
50mg. test cyp. twice weekly
250IU's HCG twice weekly
no AI

BP at time of blood withdrawel 126/80
total testosterone 816 ng/dl 348-1197
free testosterone 19.7 ng/dl 6.8-21.5
SHBG 24.2 nmol/L 16.5-55.9
Estradiol sensitive 22 pg/nL 3-70
LH 0.2 nIU/nL 1.7-8.6
FSH 0.3 nIU/nL 1.5-12.4
prolactin 9.5 ng/nL 4.0-15.2
Cortisol 6.1 ug/dL 2.3-19.4
T4 direct 0.98 ng/dL 0.82-1.77
RBC 5.09 X10e6/uL 4.14-5.80
Hemaglobin 16.0 g/dL 12.6-17.7
Hematocrit 47.9 % 37.5-51
glucose serum 91 ng/dL 65-99
BUN 24 ng/dL 6-24
creatinine serum 2.16 ng/dL 0.76-1.27
eGFR (non African American) 76 nL/nin/1.73 >59
BUN/creatinine ratio 21 HIGH 9-20
cholesterol total 175 ng/dL 100-199
Tryglycerides 38 ng/dL 0-149
HDL cholesterol 60 ng/dL >39
VLDL cholesterol 8 ng/dL 5-40
LDL cholesterol 107 ng/dL 0-99
LDL/HDL ratio 1.8 ratio units 0.0-3.6
PSA 0.7 ng/nL 0.0-4.0
IGF-1 273 HIGH ng/mL 64-210
T-3 uptake 32 % 24-39
Vitamin D 25 Hydroxy 49.4 ng/nL 30-100

If I left out anything important please let me know. And give your advice on anything I can improve on. I plan to start a vitamin D supplement ASAP.
The doctor wants me to come back in 30 days for more thyroid tests, didn't say why, just that something was low and needed to be retested.

Looks like you not drinking enough water. Are you taking any peptides? T&E look great!

[xcraider37]

Here are the test results I promised. copied and pasted from my other thread. previously with doing 200mg. test IM once every two weeks my total test was 680 in the same test range as here. unfortunately I have no other results frm that round of testing. this time is after 6 or 7 months of doing subQ injections twice weekly.

Here are the test results after 6 or 7 months on subQ injections.

Stats:
45 years old
5'11" 165 lbs. 10/11%BF

Protocol:
50mg. test cyp. twice weekly
250IU's HCG twice weekly
no AI

BP at time of blood withdrawel 126/80
total testosterone 816 ng/dl 348-1197
free testosterone 19.7 ng/dl 6.8-21.5
SHBG 24.2 nmol/L 16.5-55.9
Estradiol sensitive 22 pg/nL 3-70
LH 0.2 nIU/nL 1.7-8.6
FSH 0.3 nIU/nL 1.5-12.4
prolactin 9.5 ng/nL 4.0-15.2
Cortisol 6.1 ug/dL 2.3-19.4
T4 direct 0.98 ng/dL 0.82-1.77
RBC 5.09 X10e6/uL 4.14-5.80
Hemaglobin 16.0 g/dL 12.6-17.7
Hematocrit 47.9 % 37.5-51
glucose serum 91 ng/dL 65-99
BUN 24 ng/dL 6-24
creatinine serum 2.16 ng/dL 0.76-1.27
eGFR (non African American) 76 nL/nin/1.73 >59
BUN/creatinine ratio 21 HIGH 9-20
cholesterol total 175 ng/dL 100-199
Tryglycerides 38 ng/dL 0-149
HDL cholesterol 60 ng/dL >39
VLDL cholesterol 8 ng/dL 5-40
LDL cholesterol 107 ng/dL 0-99
LDL/HDL ratio 1.8 ratio units 0.0-3.6
PSA 0.7 ng/nL 0.0-4.0
IGF-1 273 HIGH ng/mL 64-210
T-3 uptake 32 % 24-39
Vitamin D 25 Hydroxy 49.4 ng/nL 30-100

If I left out anything important please let me know. And give your advice on anything I can improve on. I plan to start a vitamin D supplement ASAP.
The doctor wants me to come back in 30 days for more thyroid tests, didn't say why, just that something was low and needed to be retested.

He didn't say anything about your creatinine? Not saying anything is wrong it's just really high. Surprised your egfr was that good.

[Charlie6]

I will definitely be following this post...very intrigued. Do you make a point to inject even slower than you would with IM? No pain in the injection site? I'd inject in my stomach fat...I don't think I have much fat above my glutes as some have mentioned above. Good luck!!

[roxer]

I go for blood work tomorrow, so I'll see what SC has done for me. Since I have changed to SC in the glute area, my feeling has been more consistent than IM. Still not super great, but mucho better. I'm hoping my levels are increased from the 556ng/dl from last test. This time I will ask for:

Total Testosterone
Bioavailable Testosterone
Free Testosterone
Estradiol
SBHG
LH
FSH
CBC
Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
Lipid Profile
PSA
IGF-1, IGFBP-3
Vitamin D

Last time he only checked for total T and E.

[OLDANDWEAK]

Looks like you not drinking enough water. Are you taking any peptides? T&E look great!

I try to drink 1.5 gallons per day, I don't always get that much down, but I always get 1 gallon down per day. What part made you think I am not getting enough? I have to admit that I do not understand all of the results, or even what a lot of the items listed are.

He didn't say anything about your creatinine? Not saying anything is wrong it's just really high. Surprised your egfr was that good.

Don't know why the doc didn't mention that, I don't really know what that is anyway.

[xcraider37]

I try to drink 1.5 gallons per day, I don't always get that much down, but I always get 1 gallon down per day. What part made you think I am not getting enough? I have to admit that I do not understand all of the results, or even what a lot of the items listed are.

Don't know why the doc didn't mention that, I don't really know what that is anyway.

Its an indicator of possible kidney dysfunction, maybe your just a huge bodybuilder or take in tons of protien that your body can't get rid of the muscle waste, I would at least bring it up at your next visit.

[rt12008]

Looks like you not drinking enough water. Are you taking any peptides? T&E look great!

What tips you off to water please?

[100%]

What tips you off to water please?

Kidney levels are a little high. If you were fasting and not drinking before the test could be the reason. Nothing to worry about just keep a eye on it. Take a look at your supplements some can cause elevated levels.

[OLDANDWEAK]

Kidney levels are a little high. If you were fasting and not drinking before the test could be the reason. Nothing to worry about just keep a eye on it. Take a look at your supplements some can cause elevated levels.

Thanks. I had fasted for 12 hours prior to the test.

[OLDANDWEAK]

Not much huge about a guy who is 5'11" and 165 lbs.. but I do try to get 250 grams of protien per day

[clarkster]

GFA has a terrific thread on SQ vs. IM. I'll see if I can locate it. If anyone knows what I'm talking about please post it. TRT isn't a one size fits all I've come to learn. The meds recommended *seem* to be almost the same (with of course doses varying anywhere from 100mg. to 200mg. 2X weekly seems to be the range) but the administration of what works best for the patient can differ and that's what GFA's thread points out.

[roxer]

I gave my Urologist the PM study - his words, "Well you can't get any more of a pure study than that - giving women a male hormone to see what happens?" Sold him immediately. He was also interested that they sought 608ng/dl as the mean test level. Helped me out big time. He said that if they sought that for the transgender patients, then why can't male patients have that too. Good point by him as it shows they needed around a mean level of 608 to be normal as a male (or as close as they will ever get - hah).

[Charlie6]

Bump! Could this have implications for sub q injection of other hormones? Also, if one were to switch from IM to SQ, how long should they combine both, as to transition from IM to SQ without test dropping too low?

[johnhenry]

I just got some updated blood work this past saturday and am sitting at 991 injecting 80mg per week sub-Q :-D

FR, is that 80 mg of cyp or 80mg actual T? When on 70mg T my level went from 400 to 1350, so have reduced to 50 mg T - hope to settle around 800. JH.

[dreadnok89]

Hey guys, I was wondering , how bout the pubic area? I also read that hcg can be shot there too