The Terrorist Attack At The Mall In Nairobi (Possibly Controversial)

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Let's send them to the land down under. Euro will help them get settled in.

the preggos or the terrorists?

[spywizard]

[Fcastle357]

the preggos or the terrorists?

Both lol

[austinite]

[spywizard]

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who needs bras when you can have silicone.

[spywizard]

who needs bras when you can have silicone.

ya know this past weekend i had a stripper try and beat me in the face with knockers like these... i'm not a big fan

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ya know this past weekend i had a stripper try and beat me in the face with knockers like these... i'm not a big fan

i wouldn't mind so much

[austinite]

[Hoggage_54]

[Metalject]

There are several versus in the Quran that instruct to kill non-believers. The versus aren't subtle but are rather point blank. Those that kill in the name of their faith are doing exactly what their religious beliefs dictate them to do. For that reason, it really shouldn't be all that surprising.

Does this mean all muslims want to kill every last non-muslim on the planet? No, no more than it means every christian does everything the bible directs them to do. However, there isn't a problem with christians killing and terrorizing the world. Yes, someone may point out the crusades that happened long ago and that behavior doesn't justify this behavior, but we're not talking about the past, we're talking about the present.

Just as big of a problem IMO are the countless muslims who say they are against this violence yet do nothing and do not lift a finger. Show me the voice in the muslim community that's fighting against this?

A few examples, a few of many, these are just some short ones:

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'

[austinite]

There are several versus in the Quran that instruct to kill non-believers. The versus aren't subtle but are rather point blank. Those that kill in the name of their faith are doing exactly what their religious beliefs dictate them to do. For that reason, it really shouldn't be all that surprising.

Does this mean all muslims want to kill every last non-muslim on the planet? No, no more than it means every christian does everything the bible directs them to do. However, there isn't a problem with christians killing and terrorizing the world. Yes, someone may point out the crusades that happened long ago and that behavior doesn't justify this behavior, but we're not talking about the past, we're talking about the present.

Just as big of a problem IMO are the countless muslims who say they are against this violence yet do nothing and do not lift a finger. Show me the voice in the muslim community that's fighting against this?

A few examples, a few of many, these are just some short ones:

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'

That's your interpretation. The bible is not that different from the koran by the way... almost identical in many ways.

Fvck religion either way.

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[Hoggage_54]

[austinite]

[austinite]

[austinite]

Bad lighting, or does someone need to shave?

[Shol'va]

Boys will be girls...He is going to live to regret getting that boob job. Can you say MELONCHOLY! Those are deadly weapons.

[Java Man]

Bad lighting, or does someone need to shave?

Lol. Has to be lighting. She looks like the type that keeps maybe a little tiny landing strip if any at all.

[Othello]

Sunni/Shia is an afghanistan/iranian thing, a bit in Iraq. No where else.

Israel is not a muslim nation, and it is surrounded by muslim nations. Every single muslim country at one point has shown their disapproval. The only reason they don't do anything is because they're afraid of the US. Rightfully so, as they'd get their asses kicked. But if the US stopped supporting Israel, they would seize to exist in mere months.

It goes back to religion, like Hazard said. They simply don't want them there, and they go after the US because we're the primary supporter. But yeah, if we could find them a chunk of land somewhere they can call home, you'd have damn near world peace.

actually the sunni/shiite "thing" is pretty much widespread nowadays in the whole region...at least where there are shiites, you will find the tension with the sunnis... you have Shiites in Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq, of course Iran, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait and even in KSA...then there are some in A'stan, Pakistan etc...

this goes way back to an issue as to who was supposed to be the successor of their prophet...to put it simply: those who are today Shiites wanted a guy, Sunnis wanted another...the Shiite guy was murdered and this is what started the rift... this was dormant for some time until very recently (around 2005 or so) when it was awakened as some kind of a line of defense against Iranian growing power in the middle east.

As for the Israel thing...well, IMHO its the biggest joke ever...ALL "arab" countries have dealt with or are still dealing with Israel both over and under the table...Qatar had an Israeli embassy at one time...Egypt and Jordan as well...Syria kept the Golan heights pretty calm ever since they were occupied by IDF troops in the 70s...hell even Hezbollah has dealt with Israel at one time....in 89 there was a war between Hezbola and Amal (two shiite factions one backed by Iran and one by Syria...Amal were gaining ground and had the hezeb pinned down so IDF troops allowed Hezbollah to pass through the lands occupied by them in order to escape) to its a huge masquerade if you ask me. Israel is used by most arab leaders as a way to control the people who are kept in check with this "scarecrow"... you see there is no such thing as democracy in the arab world...monarchies and tyranies...so best way to keep the people subjected and subdued is to use the Israeli threat...

Israel on the other hand does the same...it gets funds and support from USA by using the Hezbollah scarecrow..."i am fighting terrorists please help me"... at one time, we were helped by Israel back when we were fighting palestinans between 75-82...they gave us weapons, training etc...and suddenly dropped us down when a deal was brokered with Syria in 83...

politics sucks if you ask me...and having fought through some of the wars in Lebanon I can tell you first hand, the shittiest thing any man can do is get entangled in any war for any cause because at the end of the day causes are nothing but empty words that keep changing directions...

but i disgress...sorry for the OT

[austinite]

actually the sunni/shiite "thing" is pretty much widespread nowadays in the whole region...at least where there are shiites, you will find the tension with the sunnis... you have Shiites in Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq, of course Iran, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait and even in KSA...then there are some in A'stan, Pakistan etc...

this goes way back to an issue as to who was supposed to be the successor of their prophet...to put it simply: those who are today Shiites wanted a guy, Sunnis wanted another...the Shiite guy was murdered and this is what started the rift... this was dormant for some time until very recently (around 2005 or so) when it was awakened as some kind of a line of defense against Iranian growing power in the middle east.

As for the Israel thing...well, IMHO its the biggest joke ever...ALL "arab" countries have dealt with or are still dealing with Israel both over and under the table...Qatar had an Israeli embassy at one time...Egypt and Jordan as well...Syria kept the Golan heights pretty calm ever since they were occupied by IDF troops in the 70s...hell even Hezbollah has dealt with Israel at one time....in 89 there was a war between Hezbola and Amal (two shiite factions one backed by Iran and one by Syria...Amal were gaining ground and had the hezeb pinned down so IDF troops allowed Hezbollah to pass through the lands occupied by them in order to escape) to its a huge masquerade if you ask me. Israel is used by most arab leaders as a way to control the people who are kept in check with this "scarecrow"... you see there is no such thing as democracy in the arab world...monarchies and tyranies...so best way to keep the people subjected and subdued is to use the Israeli threat...

Israel on the other hand does the same...it gets funds and support from USA by using the Hezbollah scarecrow..."i am fighting terrorists please help me"... at one time, we were helped by Israel back when we were fighting palestinans between 75-82...they gave us weapons, training etc...and suddenly dropped us down when a deal was brokered with Syria in 83...

politics sucks if you ask me...and having fought through some of the wars in Lebanon I can tell you first hand, the shittiest thing any man can do is get entangled in any war for any cause because at the end of the day causes are nothing but empty words that keep changing directions...

but i disgress...sorry for the OT

No. Not at all. Not even remotely close. There is not a plethora of shiites and sunni's in ALL of the middle east. It's like saying there are Jews in Pakistan. Well... no shit, but there isn't 100 million of them. These religions are all over the world, but not even remotely accounted for or considered in ALL of the middle east. They're in Lebanon, too by the way...

Having a hard time making sense of your 3rd paragraph. Arab countries don't use Israel for anything. I'm not even sure how that came mind. It's the complete opposite, actually. When shit hits the fan in ANY country, what happens? When they lose control and have nothing left to lose, what happens? They attack Israel, be it verbal or military. Perfect example is the gulf war. Not even 2 weeks in, Iraq launched missiles towards Israel, BEFORE they even announced that they're sending the 12 troops and 8 machine guns they sent to help us.

There is too much hatred for Israel from the arab nations to ever use them in any way, because they're terrorists to them, just like the extremist muslims are to us. . Don't forget what happened in 1983 in southern lebanon... Those were US barracks. All because of Israel, we lost 100's of men.

Ahh... stupid politics

[austinite]

LOL, you just gave them a good reason to hate us more. Yes most mullahs not all, and certainly most people but not all, if you get my drift! BTW, i was born in the middle east so speaking from experience.

Aramco kid?

[wmaousley]

not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslim...

By far one of the most uneducated statements I have ever read. Do your research kid

[wmaousley]

So what is the deal here? Why is it that all or most of the terrorists are of muslim faith and recruited by mullahs and such at the nearby mosques? This is what FOX news wants you to believe..Now I hear that some of the terrorists in the Mall attack were American citizens who were taught over here in the states and recruited to Nairobi for further terrorism training all in the name of their faith. So how do we separate who is good and who is evil even in our own country? This is done by the police.. Do we outlaw the Koran and all who believe in it? Have you ever read the US Constitution? Would you ban me? Do we give in to what they want and every one in America convert to sharia law? Who wants Sharia law?The middle East is moving away from this type of law. Do we give up everything we hold near and dear to keep them from killing us? Do we declare war on all muslims and kill them all before they kill us? What is the answer? Will we ever be able to get along with those of the koran faith? Do you get along with me?Why can't they be happy with their lives without having to blow themselves and everyone else up? We live very nice lives and I dont bother anyone. Its a few who ruin it for the rest. These so called terrorists who commit acts in the name of God are denounced by the Islamic masses. Why do they have to have us all convert or die? No one is breathing down your neck to do anything. I know I would never push religion on anyone. And why do they have to basterdise their own religion? WTF?? And why isn't the moderate muslim world clamping down on the radicals? Obviously they have all forgotten that it was the west who saved their butts in world war 2 from nazi germany as the germans would have wiped them all from the face of the earth if they had not been contained. So instead of being greatful to the west, instead they want us destroyed? Anybody with any insight on this? I personally don't hate muslims. I hate no one but I am tired of all this death and destruction in the world as of late. And when innocent women and children are all killed only for not being Muslim I have an issue with that! What is it going to come to. Do we have to develop a mentality of us verses them and go out on a killing spree of our own? Man this is all ate up....IMO

Ok I cant answer anymore of your questions, they are just too outrageous.

[wmaousley]

I know and I was referring to the idiot killings that started years ago from all this madness in the world. So we are good and on the same page here..

History tell us the idiots you are speaking of were Jewish then Christian, Islam came long after the Crusades.

[wmaousley]

Sunni/Shia is an afghanistan/iranian thing, a bit in Iraq. No where else. Sunni & Shiite issues are all over the Middle East including, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, KSA and Oman. The difference between the GCC countries and the rest are we dont have bombings or fighting here. In the GCC is more of a political issue. Iran has no issues with religion and there are both sunni & shiite living together.

Israel is not a muslim nation, and it is surrounded by muslim nations. Every single muslim country at one point has shown their disapproval. The only reason they don't do anything is because they're afraid of the US. Rightfully so, as they'd get their asses kicked. But if the US stopped supporting Israel, they would seize to exist in mere months. Actually Jordan, Egypt, Syria, KSA, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain all protect Israel in a back door kind of way.

It goes back to religion, like Hazard said. They simply don't want them there, and they go after the US because we're the primary supporter. But yeah, if we could find them a chunk of land somewhere they can call home, you'd have damn near world peace.British mandate sent the Israelis to Israel because the Brits didnt want them either.

See in red

[wmaousley]

not to mention their never-confirmed, never-denied nuclear deterrence.

or did i read that in a novel...lol

Fact: Israel currently stores US Nuclear Weapons as does Pakistan.

[wmaousley]

LOL, you just gave them a good reason to hate us more. Yes most mullahs not all, and certainly most people but not all, if you get my drift! BTW, i was born in the middle east so speaking from experience.

Awqaf ministry suspends five preachers


Awqaf ministry suspends five preachers

KUWAIT CITY, Sept 22: The Ministry of Awqaf and Islamic Affairs has suspended the services of five preachers until after the investigations by the Religious Affairs Committee are complete, reports Al-Qabas daily. The daily added the preachers were referred to the committee for not complying with the ministry directives. The Undersecretary of the ministry Adel Al-Falah told the daily the preachers violated the instructions in the circular which prevents preachers from talking about political issues in other countries. The daily added there are about 700 preachers working in mosques around the country.


A stance on extremism is being taken and not in a light way. Also several Islamic Mullas that preach on TV have been fired in recent weeks.

[Othello]

No. Not at all. Not even remotely close. There is not a plethora of shiites and sunni's in ALL of the middle east. It's like saying there are Jews in Pakistan. Well... no shit, but there isn't 100 million of them. These religions are all over the world, but not even remotely accounted for or considered in ALL of the middle east. They're in Lebanon, too by the way...

I grant you they are not huge numbers but they are there. I believe Lebanon, Iraq and Iran are the largest in terms of numbers...

In the gulf, most are originally from Iran and got nationalized.

In Bahrain, the tensions that erupted there last year were predominantly Sunni/Shiite as the demosntrations were lead by Shiites backed by Iran. Same on the borders of KSA and Yemen...

Having a hard time making sense of your 3rd paragraph. Arab countries don't use Israel for anything. I'm not even sure how that came mind. It's the complete opposite, actually. When shit hits the fan in ANY country, what happens? When they lose control and have nothing left to lose, what happens? They attack Israel, be it verbal or military. Perfect example is the gulf war. Not even 2 weeks in, Iraq launched missiles towards Israel, BEFORE they even announced that they're sending the 12 troops and 8 machine guns they sent to help us.

oh they do. Trust me on this. maybe I should have said arab leaders not countries...in the sense the regimes governing many arab countries use Israel as an excuse to maintain martial law...being accused of collaborating with Israel is one of the most common excuses in the region to make someone disappear without anyone daring to ask any question. The people are on the receiving end...fed on demagogy and racist slogans....

As for the dealings with Israel, when Hafez al Assad used air force to bombard Easter Beirut in October 90, it was only after Israel gave him the green light...USA also was playing along because of Syrian support for what was back then Desert Storm.

when IDF troops evacuated Lebanon in 2000, the SLA (South Lebanese Army - a faction that was splintered from the Leb army and used as a proxy by IDF) were forced to surrender their weapons to ....Hezbollah!!!! piles of small and medium weapons were left behind for the Hezeb instead of being destroyed or taken into Israel...

when IAF planes bombarded Iraq nuclear facilities in the early 80s, they had to fly into Iranian airspace to do this and Iran gave them a green light back then...and Khumeini was in power...

the list is long....those are things we lived through in 70s, 80s and 90s...tons of info on the web and in news paper archives...

my main point here is that arabs stance vrs. Israel is at best hypocritical to say the least...and vice-versa...under the table they play ball and in public they insult each other and keep their people tensed against each other.

There is too much hatred for Israel from the arab nations to ever use them in any way, because they're terrorists to them, just like the extremist muslims are to us. . Don't forget what happened in 1983 in southern lebanon... Those were US barracks. All because of Israel, we lost 100's of men.

Ahh... stupid politics

the Terrorist label is a very convenient one either way...plus it has become a relative term...what one labels as freedom fighter, the other labels terrorist...back in WW2, Hitler considered the resistance fighters as terrorists...

also, from my humble experience, what you hear in the news and what is really happening are two different things altogether...sometimes, 40 years later, a document is declassified and you realize how much wool was pulled over our eyes over the years...

in 83 when the marine barracks were attacked, it was done with a Syrian blessing to create a vaccum to allow syrian control to grow over Lebanon...many good men lost their lives in those explosions...I lost two cousins who were instructors with the marines at that time... you think USA did not know that Syria gave the green light? Intel reports were flowing in about this and yet they chose to ignore this and focus on the trigger man, in that case what was to become Hezbollah later on...

politics does suck...war sucks much more...hence my inclination for BB, AAS and HGH

[wmaousley]

Aramco kid?

ARAMCO Kids are spoiled kids that live in a compound in Dahran, hell most kids and wives of ARAMCO employees never leave the compound because they dont like to conform to KSA rules. Some weird people if you ask me.

[austinite]

See in red

I understand that the differences exist everywhere. They exist in the UK, too. But Sunni Shiites are not in sizable population in Morocco, Libya, Tunisia, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Algeria, Palestine and most of the middle east. Not even Saudi really. The countries you mentioned are all clumped together and closest to Iraq/Iran where there's plenty of population from them shifting south.

I don't see how Jordan would ever support them in any way. Heck, Israel was originally the Hashemite Kingdom, until it was split at the dead sea and declared Palestine. Egypt supported Palestinians in Gaza when they were locked down. The other countries mentioned... I don't know. But I don't see how Syria is in the mix really.

[austinite]

ARAMCO Kids are spoiled kids that live in a compound in Dahran, hell most kids and wives of ARAMCO employees never leave the compound because they dont like to conform to KSA rules. Some weird people if you ask me.

lmao. Well there's no more Aramco generations so no worries anymore! haha. Funny though, most Aramco brats are in Houston. I swear everywhere I partied I'd meet several of them.

[austinite]

WM, impressive geographical/political knowledge. Just realized you're only 29.

Othello, can't agree more on the news being a crapshoot for actual information.

[bass]

Aramco kid?

nope, just a kid!

[bass]

Awqaf ministry suspends five preachers


Awqaf ministry suspends five preachers

KUWAIT CITY, Sept 22: The Ministry of Awqaf and Islamic Affairs has suspended the services of five preachers until after the investigations by the Religious Affairs Committee are complete, reports Al-Qabas daily. The daily added the preachers were referred to the committee for not complying with the ministry directives. The Undersecretary of the ministry Adel Al-Falah told the daily the preachers violated the instructions in the circular which prevents preachers from talking about political issues in other countries. The daily added there are about 700 preachers working in mosques around the country.


A stance on extremism is being taken and not in a light way. Also several Islamic Mullas that preach on TV have been fired in recent weeks.

I won't hold my breath, but anything is possible. the credit really goes to the internet where you can see how the world lives in stead of being preached to you.

[wmaousley]

lmao. Well there's no more Aramco generations so no worries anymore! haha. Funny though, most Aramco brats are in Houston. I swear everywhere I partied I'd meet several of them.

There are hundreds of Aramco kids in Dahran to this day. I see them a few times a year. Also MENA the little league team that makes it to the little league world series are all Aramco Kids. Aramco office in Houston is mainly to facilitate the importation of crude to the refineries in Lousiana.

[wmaousley]

WM, impressive geographical/political knowledge. Just realized you're only 29.

Othello, can't agree more on the news being a crapshoot for actual information.

31 now, seems this forums doesnt automatically update our ages, but I will take 29 all day. I have been in the ME for a decade. Started with combat operations in Iraq and went from there. I Married a Saudi 7 years ago and just never left for some strange reason. Maybe its because the ME is very close to Thailand

[wmaousley]

I won't hold my breath, but anything is possible. the credit really goes to the internet where you can see how the world lives in stead of being preached to you.

The GCC is taking a huge stance on extremist, several hundred Muslim Brotherhood members have been arrested in recent weeks, and routinly KSA will release reports about capturing suspected terror suspects.

Problem is you guys arent previewed to this news, but the truth is the ME governments are taking a stance against shit bag religious hijackers.

[austinite]

There are hundreds of Aramco kids in Dahran to this day. I see them a few times a year. Also MENA the little league team that makes it to the little league world series are all Aramco Kids

Wow. I know they used to hit up Bahrain often. I didn't know there's still a ton out there. Last I heard was everyone left Ras Tanura and headed to Dhahran. But with the cities not being a private community anymore, lots have changed and many left. I guess they're still happy if there's a ton of them still there!

Dirt bike heaven out there.

[austinite]

31 now, seems this forums doesnt automatically update our ages, but I will take 29 all day. I have been in the ME for a decade. Started with combat operations in Iraq and went from there. I Married a Saudi 7 years ago and just never left for some strange reason. Maybe its because the ME is very close to Thailand

haha. Very cool man. Good for you and thanks for your service.