Test and Tren lean bulk for 12 weeks at 5% body fat.

[Mp859]

Who's the 12 year old in the pics?

[AlphaMike]

EVERYBODY JUST CALM THE F UCK DOWN! OP'S got it under control didn't you see his pics? 4 lbs on his first test/tren cycle!

[marcus300]

You need to learn how to train properly because you don't have any base, you look like you just started training. I'm not having a go you just need to learn how to train correctly and eat the right foods to build muscle tissue.

Your also way to young if you can gain size now at your age with your hormones your not going to do it with steroids, your wasting your time and money but most of all your health. Do you have any idea what they can do to someone who's HPTA hasn't fully developed yet? I guess not otherwise you wouldn't touch them.

Who ever told you dnp and tren are not as bad as everyone makes out is a retard and doesn't have a clue what he is saying or doing.

You come on here and ask guys who have been doing this for years and some even longer than you have been alive and you wont listen, can you see how stupid that is and dangerous to your health. Why even come on here if your not going to take our advice? why not go and speak to the guy who told you about dnp and tren and 18-19yrs old.




There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

[Capebuffalo]

Which of those pics are you 198 lbs?


Again what was your pct? Or do you not know what I am asking for?

[Reiid13]

Theres no way youve done a cycle , your skin and bones. Theres no way you need to cycle , eat some food ... Dont ask for advice if you cant take critisism , you say your 19 , act like it ... Your too immature to cycle , you have the mental attitude of a 15 year old ...

[Anxnymous]

Cycle Plan:
Pbol(Protein)- 2800g/week
Caloron(Calories): 4500-5000/day
Use safely.

[killer41qc]

I am the same age as you... you must be doing somethin wrong

[OnTheSauce]

You look 160. Are you 6'5?

[imnotnatty]

wow 5% bf, dude you gotta post a pic.

[OnTheSauce]

Won't happen natty. He doesn't have any muscle to cut down to anyway