Phil Robertson being attacked by librals.

[lovbyts]

[Brett N]

I live in the midwest, have to say that every store you go into here has Duck Dynasty stuff. I watch the shows with my kids. I can't say that I agree with everything the show pushes (religious angle) but I see nothing wrong with it either. I know the Robertson family travels around and speaks of their christian views and quote the bible. I am not from where I live and I am a lot more liberal than all the guys I work with. I would have to say that most around the bible belt think along the same lines that he is coming from.

In the end, it doesn't matter what any of them says, it will not have any effect on their ratings because their demographic is not the liberal crowd that disagrees with them. Nothing like when the Dixie Chicks spoke out against President Bush. There will be no negative backlash. Bass Pro Shop and Wal Mart will not quit carrying their share of the 1/2 billion dollar market of the Duck Dynasty merchandise.

[thisAngelBites]

Phil Robertson is not some uneducated idiot from the south, he is a college educated business man that just happens to be a hardcore believer in the old testament. For some reason, he doesn't realize that according to the bible, we are all equal as sinners and unless we choose christ - we're all going to hell. (I'm not a religious person at all, just saying)

You're kidding me! That guy went to uni? He needs to get right back there and get his money back. I read the interview and the guy is either a moron, or he's doing an oustanding job acting like one.

[Bonaparte]

You're kidding me! That guy went to uni? He needs to get right back there and get his money back. I read the interview and the guy is either a moron, or he's doing an oustanding job acting like one.

Agreed.
I was subjected to half an episode once, and I cannot figure out why anyone watches this show.
And don't even get me started on what the History Channel, Discovery Channel, and TLC have become...

[Brett N]

Really, sounds like you guys are a little judgemental. Just because someone has a slow southern draw doesn't make them uneducated. He has a masters in Education if I remember right. 6 year degree. He was a top level football player in college but chose to follow his love of hunting instead of football into the professional level.

You don't have to use big words to prove your educated. A truly intelligent person knows how to express himself so most can understand them. Unfortunately, most in the world are uneducated imbeciles so to get them to relate to you - you need to sound like them.

[ghettoboyd]

Agreed.
I was subjected to half an episode once, and I cannot figure out why anyone watches this show.
And don't even get me started on what the History Channel, Discovery Channel, and TLC have become...

come on man Pawn Stars is gold, and don't even get me started about Ancient Aliens....

[thisAngelBites]

*I'm* judgmental? You assumed my view of his lack of intellect was because of how he speaks? Perhaps you can show me where I said that. If you read the interview and can't figure out that the man is uneducated, in spite of any degrees he has, you might ask what I am talking about instead of presuming that my intellect is of the sort where I think I can guess someone's IQ because of their accent.

Really, sounds like your a little judgemental Angel. Just because someone has a slow southern draw doesn't make them uneducated. He has a masters in Education if I remember right. 6 year degree. He was a top level football player in college but chose to follow his love of hunting instead of football into the professional level.

You don't have to use big words to prove your educated. A truly intelligent person knows how to express himself so most can understand them. Unfortunately, most in the world are uneducated imbeciles so to get them to relate to you - you need to sound like them.

[thisAngelBites]

Agreed.
I was subjected to half an episode once, and I cannot figure out why anyone watches this show.
And don't even get me started on what the History Channel, Discovery Channel, and TLC have become...

I watched an episode of my own free will, sort of wondering about the hubbub about the show. I should have known better as I have been similarly disappointed with books on bestseller lists, but then I have enjoyed big hits like the West Wing. But it does hurt knowing I could have been sleeping instead of watching that episode.

I thought history channel was getting to be a problem (haven't they renamed it the world war II channel? ) , but the discovery channel too?

[Honkey_Kong]

I watched an episode of my own free will, sort of wondering about the hubbub about the show. I should have known better as I have been similarly disappointed with books on bestseller lists, but then I have enjoyed big hits like the West Wing. But it does hurt knowing I could have been sleeping instead of watching that episode.

I thought history channel was getting to be a problem (haven't they renamed it the world war II channel? ) , but the discovery channel too?

Back when they were the WW2 channel they were a few notches up from what they've become.

[Bonaparte]

I thought history channel was getting to be a problem (haven't they renamed it the world war II channel? ) , but the discovery channel too?

History used to be the WWII channel (in its glory days, 10-15 years ago when they played mostly historical documentaries). Now that the network people have decided that "history is made everyday", all bets are off and any show following blue collar idiots toiling and getting in fights is big business.
Discovery has done the same. They help me "discover" things and people that should be shunned and banished to the deepest cave, not put on public display.

[thisAngelBites]

Wow. I hardly watch telly when I am in the US, because I have other stuff to do when I am there, but that does sound like a big change. I haven't lived there in almost 15 years, which is why I remember the WWII channel. It sounds like exactly the same thing as reality tv, which is a shame as there is a legitimate historical perspective of history as people experienced it, but that's along the lines of Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States, and that is nothing like blue collar idiots toiling and getting in fights.

[GirlyGymRat]

Be interesting to see how this plays out. I watched this show ONCE cuz I had no idea what it was about. Seems this family doesn't need A&E.

[>Good Luck<]

Be interesting to see how this plays out. I watched this show ONCE cuz I had no idea what it was about. Seems this family doesn't need A&E.

I believe this family would still enjoy life if they lost all their money. They live quite humbly considering they're millionaires.

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

[Brett N]

Robertson family was well off before the TV show. They had a thriving product line with Duck Commander/ Buck Commander. The show was based on them after the success of their company.

I guess America loves to watch a bunch of rednecks that hunt, fish and burn leaves in their front yard become successful.

[diesel101]

Really, sounds like you guys are a little judgemental. Just because someone has a slow southern draw doesn't make them uneducated. He has a masters in Education if I remember right. 6 year degree. He was a top level football player in college but chose to follow his love of hunting instead of football into the professional level.

You don't have to use big words to prove your educated. A truly intelligent person knows how to express himself so most can understand them. Unfortunately, most in the world are uneducated imbeciles so to get them to relate to you - you need to sound like them.

Phil was actually starting QB ahead of Terry Bradshaw at Louisiana tech.

[Brett N]

Yea, read same thing. And he turned down NFL contract to run his duck call company. Not sure I would of made same move. Duck Commander - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Metalject]

I watched an episode of my own free will, sort of wondering about the hubbub about the show. I should have known better as I have been similarly disappointed with books on bestseller lists, but then I have enjoyed big hits like the West Wing. But it does hurt knowing I could have been sleeping instead of watching that episode.

I thought history channel was getting to be a problem (haven't they renamed it the world war II channel? ) , but the discovery channel too?

I think you inadvertently proved a point that was being made while disagreeing with the point yourself.

I have no idea how you lean in terms of politics, social issues or that sort of thing. However, it's well known (in the states anyway) that people that lean right hated the west wing and people that lean left loved and. And the majority of DD watchers are right leaning and those that hate it lean left.

Left and right, in the U.S. has gone far beyond political divide and into social divide.

And a for the record comment, many of the Robertson family are educated in terms of school....although I place little value on that type of education any more. It means absolutely nothing and I say that as someone that's considered highly educated by what left wing people deem educated. Education, in the U.S. is a joke.

[Metalject]

Yea, read same thing. And he turned down NFL contract to run his duck call company. Not sure I would of made same move. Duck Commander - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Financially he made the right move. He's worth far more now than he would have been if he'd done anything else.

[thisAngelBites]

I thought the West Wing was a fictional story. I liked Martin Sheen's performance, and I'd like to think there is nothing knee-jerk or ideological about my political thoughts, as I tend to think things through carefully and don't shoot my mouth off, and have good reasons for my beliefs. And I don't fit neatly into any political camp that I have ever heard of. I don't even remember the politics of the characters involved on the West Wing, except that they were not doing anything I thought was a violation of human rights or morally repugnant that I would have remembered.

I am aware that things are extremely polarised in the US, and it seems to be getting continually worse. There seems to be lots of knee jerk thinking about things based on litmus tests and state colour affililiations and I see a lot of people whose views, taken as a corpus, are essentially incoherent. It's too bad that people feel so strongly that there is such a strong need to become archenemies in that way.

I don't know anything about Phil Robertson apart from what I read in the article, and the comments I have read here that his family is now wealthy, and the alleged masters of education. I have nothing against him; I hope he finds another job at a company that does not mind him quoting the bible, but he is certainly not well-educated by any basic standard. If you can't be quoted for a few hundred words without making ridiculous factual errors, you either have a serious lack of information in your head or you think the people you are speaking to are idiots and won't notice as you make things up. My money is on the former. It's too bad that education is getting to be such a joke.

He also has not had his rights abridged in any legal way. There is no 1st amendment claim, and no claim under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. I'm not sure under which other auspices he might claim that he was unfairly dismissed, or suspended or whatnot. Only A&E knows the terms of the contact, but I presume they have lawyers who draft them to take advantage of all their legal rights, including the right to fire employees who they think will alienate their viewers (rightly or wrongly), no matter what the basis for the views is. Having said that, I cannot for the life of me work out why any person, gay or straight, would care what this guy's views on homosexuality are.

I have no idea how you lean in terms of politics, social issues or that sort of thing. However, it's well known (in the states anyway) that people that lean right hated the west wing and people that lean left loved and. And the majority of DD watchers are right leaning and those that hate it lean left.

Left and right, in the U.S. has gone far beyond political divide and into social divide.

And a for the record comment, many of the Robertson family are educated in terms of school....although I place little value on that type of education any more. It means absolutely nothing and I say that as someone that's considered highly educated by what left wing people deem educated. Education, in the U.S. is a joke.

[Cuz]

seems to be a big debate over it. you cant do much anymore in America without offending someone somewhere. bunch of pvssies if you ask me...

[Metalject]

I thought the West Wing was a fictional story. I liked Martin Sheen's performance, and I'd like to think there is nothing knee-jerk or ideological about my political thoughts, as I tend to think things through carefully and don't shoot my mouth off, and have good reasons for my beliefs. And I don't fit neatly into any political camp that I have ever heard of. I don't even remember the politics of the characters involved on the West Wing, except that they were not doing anything I thought was a violation of human rights or morally repugnant that I would have remembered.

I am aware that things are extremely polarised in the US, and it seems to be getting continually worse. There seems to be lots of knee jerk thinking about things based on litmus tests and state colour affililiations and I see a lot of people whose views, taken as a corpus, are essentially incoherent. It's too bad that people feel so strongly that there is such a strong need to become archenemies in that way.

I don't know anything about Phil Robertson apart from what I read in the article, and the comments I have read here that his family is now wealthy, and the alleged masters of education. I have nothing against him; I hope he finds another job at a company that does not mind him quoting the bible, but he is certainly not well-educated by any basic standard. If you can't be quoted for a few hundred words without making ridiculous factual errors, you either have a serious lack of information in your head or you think the people you are speaking to are idiots and won't notice as you make things up. My money is on the former. It's too bad that education is getting to be such a joke.

He also has not had his rights abridged in any legal way. There is no 1st amendment claim, and no claim under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. I'm not sure under which other auspices he might claim that he was unfairly dismissed, or suspended or whatnot. Only A&E knows the terms of the contact, but I presume they have lawyers who draft them to take advantage of all their legal rights, including the right to fire employees who they think will alienate their viewers (rightly or wrongly), no matter what the basis for the views is. Having said that, I cannot for the life of me work out why any person, gay or straight, would care what this guy's views on homosexuality are.

The most important point of all, people say Phil's statement was factually wrong, well it wasn't. He was quoting the bible, something he believes in. He was quoting in his own words 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10, which says "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." NIV version

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." NKJ version


Now anyone can say that the above versus from the bible are wrong or have any opinion they want to about them. But that's exactly what the bible says, something Robertson believes in and he did not quote it inaccurately.


The West Wing leaned left. The show was based on liberal ideology, which makes sense since the fictional president and his staff were portrayed as liberals. The show also regularly made republicans and conservatives look foolish. We could make the argument that if the show had been based on a fictional conservative presidency that the opposite would have been true, that it would have been right leaning and they would have made democrats look foolish. However, there's not a chance in this world that such a show would ever exist out of Hollywood.

Robertsons education, views, opinions, etc. Just because someone has a view or opinion that's polarizing or offensive to some does not have anything to do with their educational level. Some of the most offensive and controversial figures in history have been highly educated. A prime example is Bernard Shaw; a Fabian socialist, a highly educated man that offends and infuriates every last thought anyone who leans right could hold. The progressive left praises the man to this day but he's considered one of the worst humans to ever live according to most conservatives and libertarians. There are also plenty of people we could all agree that were inherently evil, held opinions we all disagree with, etc. but that doesn't mean they weren't highly educated, many were by the standards most hold to education.

[lovbyts]

*I'm* judgmental? You assumed my view of his lack of intellect was because of how he speaks? Perhaps you can show me where I said that. If you read the interview and can't figure out that the man is uneducated, in spite of any degrees he has, you might ask what I am talking about instead of presuming that my intellect is of the sort where I think I can guess someone's IQ because of their accent.

You are taking for granted that the interview is accurate and not biases same as the network who is judging him. It's easy to make someone sound like a babbling idiot with a little creative editing. I would not be to quick to judge because of what you read in an interview.

I like to play devils advocate because I have seen both sides of the coin and I know how quick people are to judge someone because of something they have heard, read or presume without a bit of proof or investigation.

[thisAngelBites]

The most important point of all, people say Phil's statement was factually wrong, well it wasn't. He was quoting the bible, something he believes in. He was quoting in his own words 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10, which says "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." NIV version

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." NKJ version


Now anyone can say that the above versus from the bible are wrong or have any opinion they want to about them. But that's exactly what the bible says, something Robertson believes in and he did not quote it inaccurately.

That's all very nice. But I wasn't talking about any bible quote.

[thisAngelBites]

You are taking for granted that the interview is accurate and not biases same as the network who is judging him. It's easy to make someone sound like a babbling idiot with a little creative editing. I would not be to quick to judge because of what you read in an interview.

Fair enough. Although I just read he has made a statement since the furore after the interview and he did not remotely say that he was misquoted.

[thisAngelBites]

The West Wing leaned left. The show was based on liberal ideology, which makes sense since the fictional president and his staff were portrayed as liberals. The show also regularly made republicans and conservatives look foolish. We could make the argument that if the show had been based on a fictional conservative presidency that the opposite would have been true, that it would have been right leaning and they would have made democrats look foolish. However, there's not a chance in this world that such a show would ever exist out of Hollywood.

I said I thought it was a fiction, and you are confirming that you agree. You seemed to be saying that only the left liked The West Wing, and I am telling you, I liked the West Wing, and I have some views that are shared by the left, and some views that are shared by the right, which shows your inference is invalid.

I also like Sons of Anarchy, which I also view as a fiction. Does that mean I support the running of weapons and drugs?

[thisAngelBites]

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Robertsons education, views, opinions, etc. Just because someone has a view or opinion that's polarizing or offensive to some does not have anything to do with their educational level. Some of the most offensive and controversial figures in history have been highly educated. A prime example is Bernard Shaw; a Fabian socialist, a highly educated man that offends and infuriates every last thought anyone who leans right could hold. The progressive left praises the man to this day but he's considered one of the worst humans to ever live according to most conservatives and libertarians. There are also plenty of people we could all agree that were inherently evil, held opinions we all disagree with, etc. but that doesn't mean they weren't highly educated, many were by the standards most hold to education.

Ok, is this the Twilight Zone?

Where did I say that people who are offensive are uneducated?

[thisAngelBites]

I said I thought it was a fiction, and you are confirming that you agree. You seemed to be saying that only the left liked The West Wing, and I am telling you, I liked the West Wing, and I have some views that are shared by the left, and some views that are shared by the right, which shows your inference is invalid.

I also like Sons of Anarchy, which I also view as a fiction. Does that mean I support the running of weapons and drugs?

Oops, I realise I misread your quote - you are saying that only a show that characterised democrats as bad could not exist outside Hollywood, I thought you meant both the real show and hypothetical show could not exist outside Hollywood. I thought it was a statement about the fictional natures of both shows, but now you seem to be saying something about the nature of the real show that aired - is it not fictional? Could it exist outside Hollywood? Could you clarify? I don't understand what you are saying.

[Honkey_Kong]

Yea, read same thing. And he turned down NFL contract to run his duck call company. Not sure I would of made same move. Duck Commander - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It probably was the best move he could've done career-wise. Back when he was young, NFL players were not making what they make today. Besides, he might not have actually had an NFL contract that he turned down. He just told his kids that.

[Brett N]

That's true. Nobody has ever seen a contract that was turned down in writing that I know of. It is a fact that Bradshaw was his backup quarterback ( and self admittedly not as good in college) Everyone knows the career that Bradshaw moved onto. Not saying Phil would of excelled in the same fashion, but I would think he could of made the draft. Not sure if you ever watch the show, but Phil is the least likely of the whole family to brag on himself. Maybe it is his TV personality...maybe not. (wiki says he was offered a contract with redskins - can't believe everything on wiki though) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Robertson

@AngelBites, I apologize for jumping the gun on the whole judgemental thing. Maybe I just took it the wrong way or whatever. I was the one being judgemental in that response and I am sorry.

On a sidenote from one of the responses you also had earlier. The Robertson family has a job without the show. They don't need the show to make a living. Their duck call corp. made 40 million USD last year. They were doing very well before they had a reality show. Honestly, I think they do the show because it keeps them from being bored. Phil is the president of a multi million dollar organization who (the company) netted 20 million last year. He chooses to live in a double wide trailer on a huge plot of land. I am not so sure he cares much about anything except for being out in nature.

[thisAngelBites]

@AngelBites, I apologize for jumping the gun on the whole judgemental thing. Maybe I just took it the wrong way or whatever. I was the one being judgemental in that response and I am sorry.

On a sidenote from one of the responses you also had earlier. The Robertson family has a job without the show. They don't need the show to make a living. Their duck call corp. made 40 million USD last year. They were doing very well before they had a reality show. Honestly, I think they do the show because it keeps them from being bored. Phil is the president of a multi million dollar organization who (the company) netted 20 million last year. He chooses to live in a double wide trailer on a huge plot of land. I am not so sure he cares much about anything except for being out in nature.

I appreciate you saying that, Brett. I know you don't know me, but I really do not judge people's intellects on their accents.

I do understand that he had a successful business prior to the show. My instincts are that Phil and the rest of the family are mostly marketing concoctions, like pretty much everything I have ever seen on "reality" tv, but I certainly don't wish them any harm. I presume they will use their brand to its fullest advantage, whether it's on A&E or another network. I don't have any problem with that.

[Hazard]

[Hazard]

[JimR]

Methinks this all to do about nothing and it is the conservatives who are the hysterical ones. Phil said his peace and A&E responded. If I said those things to millions of people I wouldn't be surprised if my employer fired me. People get fired for far less everyday. All good.

[Metalject]

That's all very nice. But I wasn't talking about any bible quote.

The entire controversy revolves around his biblical quote. And a large portion of your argument is based on him making claims that weren't factual. Again, how is quoting something in bible that you believe in and hold to not factual when that's exactly what it says? That doesn't mean you have to believe in the bible. And I understand he said more than that quote, but everything he said revolves around that quote. Maybe I'm not understanding your point...I've never claimed to be brilliant the the ultimate in perception, lol!

I said I thought it was a fiction, and you are confirming that you agree. You seemed to be saying that only the left liked The West Wing, and I am telling you, I liked the West Wing, and I have some views that are shared by the left, and some views that are shared by the right, which shows your inference is invalid.

I also like Sons of Anarchy, which I also view as a fiction. Does that mean I support the running of weapons and drugs?

I understand what you're saying, but plenty of shows have more viewers from one side of the spectrum than the other. All networks and programs follow this and try to make their show more appealing to the particular audience that likes it. Here's a link from Entertainment Weekly that shows what I'm talking about:

Republican vs. Democrat survey: Who watches the best TV shows? | Inside TV | EW.com

[>Good Luck<]

That's all very nice. But I wasn't talking about any bible quote.

If you werent talking about a bible quote, you must be in the wrong conversation because the entire topic of phil robertson stems from a quote from the book of god that phil robertson adhears to strictly. How much more about a bible quote can this be than exclusively about a mans quote of the script in a book tilted "holy bible"

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

[thisAngelBites]

I think maybe I should repeat what I said earlier, since it seems it was overlooked.

I read the interview and the guy is either a moron, or he's doing an oustanding job acting like one.

I'd say the entire controversy revolves around his GQ interview, but maybe you disagree. I'm sorry if you have some preconception in your mind that I was talking about the bible quote, but I didn't say anything about any bible quotes. I'm sorry you didn't understand what I wrote. He says plenty of factually inaccurate stuff in that interview.

[thisAngelBites]

I understand what you're saying, but plenty of shows have more viewers from one side of the spectrum than the other. All networks and programs follow this and try to make their show more appealing to the particular audience that likes it. Here's a link from Entertainment Weekly that shows what I'm talking about:

Republican vs. Democrat survey: Who watches the best TV shows? | Inside TV | EW.com

You just conceded my point. Yes, perhaps there are more viewers of one side than the other, but so what? I don't care if West Wing has 99% viewers who identify as liberal and 1% who identify as conservative. What that means to you is that you cannot conclusively know the politics of any West Wing viewer by the fact that they watch the West Wing alone.

But more to the point, it's unclear why my politics are remotely relevant to this discussion. I don't understand how alleging that I am a liberal helps your case that Phil Robertson is well educated.

I'm really not interested in getting entangled in these crude american dichotomies of conservative and liberal, right and left, Phil Robertson lover or hater and insisting that people fall into one category or the other. People and situations are infinitely more complex than that, and it only serves to reinforce the polarisation that is occurring when we pretend it is otherwise in order to perpetrate the us vs them mentality. You've said that you don't think much of US education, and at the same time, you appear to be arguing against my claim that Phil Robertson is not well educated. So if you really do want to argue that Phil Robertson is well educated, I respectfully suggest you stick to things that have some bearing on his alleged education, and leave irrelevant things like the television shows I watch, and my politics aside.

[JD250]

Claims of Phil being uneducated are unsubstantiated and actually fly directly in the face of facts. You DO judge him..... we all do, we have to, that's how we make decisions not only about people but about everything in life as we don't always have every FACT we need. Honesty with ourselves is a better platform to entertain a debate from.

My take is this..... Phil could've and should've been smarter in a portion of what he said, he was a little crude with personal interjections and interpretations of the Bible. The LBGT community seems to be split, some stand behind Phils right to free speach, these are the smart ones in my opinion, and some scream and spew the same hate that they claim is aimed at them.

Christians are also split, the smart ones(in my opinion) shake their heads and cringe at his personal rants during the interview while many scream and antagonize the LBGTers about payback....blah blah blah

For me it is simple and YES it is about title VII.... religious freedom, I say this because the reasoning behind the whole debacle was that gays were offended by being called sinners and blah blah blah,..... but lets stop talking legally and hypothetically for a minute and be honest........ NOTHING will happen, both Duck Commander and A&E are multi million dollar companies and neither are going to waste money on an expensive drawn out mess in the courts, that would be stupid! So in the end they will work something out, there will be no civil rights issues and life will go on. But in my mind I see a huge double standard coming from the left side of this country and a huge problem with the right side being their inability to play hard ball with the screaming whiney liberals...... what a mess..... but I will continue to stand up for peoples rights regardless of who they are and whether or not I like them, we MUST!!! The only true intolerance I have is when ignorant people abuse and/or sacrifice our rights for any reason.

Merry Christmas all you juicers!!!

[thisAngelBites]

You DO judge him..... we all do, we have to, that's how we make decisions not only about people but about everything in life as we don't always have every FACT we need. Honesty with ourselves is a better platform to entertain a debate from.

There seems to be a repeated reading impairment on this thread. And I am struggling to hold my tongue, but I am getting frustrated with person after person responding and arguing against things I DID NOT actually say instead of engaging with what I did say. I never said I don't judge Phil, I clearly and obviously do, since I have read things he says, and have judged that he is uneducated. What I did actually say was that I don't judge him based on his accent, which I was also erroneously accused of. I would appreciate if you would finish reading the sentence I wrote before lecturing me about honesty with myself.

For me it is simple and YES it is about title VII

No, it is not. Title VII requires employers to reasonably accommodate religious practices. It requires employers to make accommodation for religiously required dress or prayer, none of which is remotely happening here. But hey, take a page out of Phil's book and don't let facts get in your way.

NOTHING will happen, both Duck Commander and A&E are multi million dollar companies and neither are going to waste money on an expensive drawn out mess in the courts, that would be stupid!

Yeah, well, probably; I don't particularly care one way or the other. But that might also be because Phil has no cause of action.

but I will continue to stand up for peoples rights regardless of who they are and whether or not I like them, we MUST!!! The only true intolerance I have is when ignorant people abuse and/or sacrifice our rights for any reason.

I don't know which rights you think you are standing up for in this instance. There are no civil rights issues, period. I think that was a myth invented by people who like Phil and don't know anything about law.

[JD250]

Are you a lawyer? I've listened to several interviews with those in the legal field and most contend that there IS at least some civil rights concern in this case. It would seem that if Phil would be of the communist party this would all be good (the only noted exception)

or if A&E were
1. The federal Govt.
2. A native american tribe
3. A religious group performing work connected to the group's activities
4. A bona fide nonprofit private membership organization

Also...

There's no reading impairment, you said ........ "You're kidding me! That guy went to uni? He needs to get right back there and get his money back. I read the interview and the guy is either a moron, or he's doing an oustanding job acting like one."
I really don't care either way, just responding, not trying to upset you or put words in your mouth.