PsyBorg will bulk... on fat

[Reiid13]

Ima sub when I get on laptop , interesting thread cant wait too see results !

Best of luck !

[GirlyGymRat]

Ima sub when I get on laptop , interesting thread cant wait too see results !

Best of luck !

REID U can sub from phone or at least i do. Upr right corner is forward arrow. 2nd selection down for subscribe to thread.

[Reiid13]

REID U can sub from phone or at least i do. Upr right corner is forward arrow. 2nd selection down for subscribe to thread.

Cheers chick , mine says 'report ' 'quote' 'select' 'send private message'

But ill delete app and reinstall , maybe im running a out of date version :/

[GirlyGymRat]

Cheers chick , mine says 'report ' 'quote' 'select' 'send private message'

But ill delete app and reinstall , maybe im running a out of date version :/

I am using steroid.com app thru iTunes for ip5 and I have never thought to update the app :/

[Reiid13]

I am using steroid.com app thru iTunes for ip5 and I have never thought to update the app :/

Im just on the app on mobile , would look a bit insane if I went on website in work

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

OK psyBorg Have you asimulated yet ? Are you part of the Hive ?

Post up a detail of your weekend training routine as in body parts/ muscles and your theory behind short routine ?, exercises and reps and set ? PLEASE ?ALso nutrition and how tight you are able to stay to your goals ? Please ?

LAY IT OUT THERE GIRLY ?

forum/113010-unoffical-how-bulk-thread-sample-diet.html

[psyBorg]

I'm alive and I still poop!

First trainings were good, saturday was my pull day (back day). I did deadlifts, lat pull downs, then dumbbell rows.
Then today was push day and I did squats, bench press and jerking push press.

I didn't train sunday because I thought doing deadlifts and squats on consecutive days was going to be counterproductive... So I think I'll be doing 1 on 1 off most of the time except when that doesn't fit my schedule.

For every exercise I do 3-4 sets of warmup sets.
For squats, DL and push press I do 3 sets of 5 reps with 5RM weight.
For bench press and dumbell row I aim for 6RM.
For the lateral pull downs I choose a higher rep range like 8-10 because when I go too heavy I tend to compensate with my biceps instead of hitting my back.

Rest time between the real sets is 4-5 min. No circuit training or supersets as I'm not training for endurance and I'm trying to save glycogen to give my best at each set. I only do 3 different exercises during each session for that same reason... high volume methods such as german volume training would force me to either carb up or throw up! Hope my method makes sense BuzzMarine!

I'm super happy today because I benched 100lb x 7reps for 3sets and push pressed 70lb. These are my personal best for now.

[dusted411]

I just want to chime in real quick and say it's great to see a female or anyone for that matter who still understands the importance of compound movements, especially trying to bulk. I feel like I see the same people in my gym every night and unless they are doing squats and deadlifts at a different gym they just don't do them for some reason and not just squats but legs in general. I understand deadlifts aren't for everyone but come on, going to the gym every night and not doing legs is uncivilized.
Good luck, I hope you reach your goal you definitely seem like you have a solid plan and i'm definitely interested in your progress, thanks for taking the time to log all this stuff. I'd have my girl log her anavar cycle she's currently doing but I don't think people would be to interested in hearing about her drinking every night and thinking I gave her magic pills that just get you jacked, the only thing getting jacked on her is her liver, I'm going to find them tonight and switch them to asprins or something before she seriously screws herself up.

[psyBorg]

going to the gym every night and not doing legs is uncivilized.

I don't think people would be to interested in hearing about her drinking every night and thinking I gave her magic pills that just get you jacked, the only thing getting jacked on her is her liver, I'm going to find them tonight and switch them to asprins or something before she seriously screws herself up.

thanks for chiming in Dust! Workouts are just different without the legs. For some reason my bench is way stronger after doing my squats, like doing legs release energy and let it flow through the whole body. You ever noticed that? And I fall deeper in love with deadlifts everyday.
I think compounds are THE shortest of shortcuts for bulking. Reg Park, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bev Francis <3 .. all powerlifters before getting into bb!

And oh yeah, the way you put it, sounds like she can't handle it rn.. Take care!

[psyBorg]

Now for my food intake: I hit my macro consistently and it's easy because I eat the same things everyday or almost. I already ate 2300 today and I'm about to eat some yogurt right now to reach 2500.

Energy level is optimal and I feel like my focus improved (maybe placebo) not that I had no focus before but I'm thinking maybe my daily caloric intake was too low for my brain before I started this log... or something..

current BG: 3.8 mmol,
BK: 4.0 !

[psyBorg]

The scale says 2 lb heavier than last week, but I can't tell yet if its lean gain or fat. I was feeling grumpy last night, then slept 12 hours straight. I hope the tiredness was because muscles were about to grow...

[psyBorg]

Last night my BG was 2.5 and BK 4.8.
And I felt weird, like I'm hungry but I'm full. Maybe very low levels of blood glucose make me crave food and very high levels of ketones make me feel full?

Anyways it was so weird, in the end I just couldn't identify what foodstuff I was craving for
so I just ate the usual: steak and egg yolks and coconut oil.

[GirlyGymRat]

Seems like the experiment is having some type of results. Did you happen to take body measurements?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Seems like the experiment is having some type of results. Did you happen to take body measurements?

GirlyGymRat

I followed one of your other threads when I 1st jioned back in 2012 and I am courious about this thread also
1) is the high Fat intake ? this would make me as a 54 yr old man IMO look like a ballon ?
2) The limited lifter Routine ?
3) The effects of Testosterone on a young Female 19yrs. old for such a long time ? Over 9 mths and seemingly continuing ? Do you have any info on my questions or concerns ?

Other tham the opinions of the OP ?

[GirlyGymRat]

GirlyGymRat

I followed one of your other threads when I 1st jioned back in 2012 and I am courious about this thread also
1) is the high Fat intake ? this would make me as a 54 yr old man IMO look like a ballon ?
2) The limited lifter Routine ?
3) The effects of Testosterone on a young Female 19yrs. old for such a long time ? Over 9 mths and seemingly continuing ? Do you have any info on my questions or concerns ?

Other tham the opinions of the OP ?

1. Depends on metabolism, but u might get pudgy. Good luck did a dirty bulk and he's young and last I recall he wouldn't recommend.
2. Have no thoughts on this
3. Op states under doctors care.

Give her a month and she can post up some new pics and measurements.

[psyBorg]

BuzzardMarine, females can tolerate chronic low doses of testosterone, because they don't have to worry about shutting down their own production, plus various other reasons my doctor told me that I forgot, haha.

And contrary to common beliefs, eating fat doesn't make you fat. What makes you fat is things that spike your blood-sugar levels, simple sugar, fructose, any carbs if you have any kind of metabolic syndrome, and also foods which you're allergic to will also raise blood sugar.

So yes if you eat sugary things along with fat your body has too much energy to deal with at the same time and will store some as fat, but eating fat alone will likely not make anyone fat at all.

Measurements, all converted from cm to inches,(as of today):
Neck: 13.4
Chest: 34.6
rib cage: 30.7
waist : 26.4 (27.5 was with loose tshirt) (difference between waist and abdomen is..?)
Buttocks: 35
Upper arms: R 11.6, L 11.4
Upper thighs: R 21, L 21
Upper knees: R 14.5, L 14.2
Calves: R 14, L 13.4

Give her a month and she can post up some new pics and measurements.

I will for sure! Lets hope I'll look good.

And hey, are you still cutting right now? I know you have a cutting log, but I'm not done reading the whole thing yet(so many pages!) so I'm not up to date in your progress.

[psyBorg]

thanks GGR, I hope so!

My waist is 27 1/2 " (my gym teacher made us measure it 2 weeks ago).
As for the rest of my body I have no idea. What body part should I measure besides arms and thigh?

[GirlyGymRat]

thanks GGR, I hope so!

My waist is 27 1/2 " (my gym teacher made us measure it 2 weeks ago).
As for the rest of my body I have no idea. What body part should I measure besides arms and thigh?

I measure these
Neck
Chest
Rib cage
Waist
Abdomen
Buttocks
Upper arm right and left
Upper thigh r and l
Upper knee r and l
Calf r/l

Measurements, pics and feel of clothes.

[psyBorg]

I don't know why you just assume that I didn't count my protein from yogurt, egg yolks, cheese, butter and the likes? How would you even know?

anyways..
LOL you're keeping both carbs and fat low. Have you ever heard of gluconeogenesis? All that excess protein gets converted to glucose in your body man, so that is a high carb diet you're doing. Well if that's what you like, it's your body, but I'm just saying.

So your only arguments are:
-supposedly I don't know how to count macro and that's why I need guidance?
-that I need dried beans and fresh vegetables?

Well have you actually read any of my posts... I'm trying to find out if the animal-based diet is more appropriate for me, and my current hypothesis is that it is. And to clarify, the goal of the experiment is to bulk, but my goal is the experiment itself. So don't tell me this is not the best way to bulk because glucose is king and all that, because I'm not even interested: all I need to know is how much is it possible to bulk on keto.

-you also say that, again, supposedly I haven't done my research.
=>I think your main argument is actually my age: all you do is assume that I lack experience therefore don't know what I'm doing. Thanks for underestimating my intelligence, it's very constructive.

Let me assure you, I'm not good at everything in life, but the things I do, I do them right. I'm shit serious about nutrition, and I'm tired of the so-called "balanced-diet" that I find is very unbalanced, so you eat whatever you like but I do my own thing. Sit back, relax, enjoy the show.
BTW please keep your posts more concise.

[Reiid13]

Hows your diet going / training

Im still a bit clueless on how to do this diet , but still interesting lol

[GirlyGymRat]

Hows your diet going / training

Im still a bit clueless on how to do this diet , but still interesting lol

I am equally interested! Not that I am interested in bulking now but always like to see different approaches.

[psyBorg]

Hows your diet going / training

Im still a bit clueless on how to do this diet , but still interesting lol

lol I like ppl like you.

Training and diet were going really good, until today.
First I didn't eat before going to school, so I'm missing all my macros. I was feeling really good tho, so I decided to train fasted, but then when I got to do gym I had a very mild asthma attack. It must be the air outside that's too cold for my lungs...
I still trained but it was crap, especially with bench I felt weak in my arms. couldn't even push a 100 lb bar..

I was pissed!
Oh but I jumped on this occasion(?) to practice front squat with light weight. I've been thinking about switching from back squat to front squat so I can sit lower. And what a difference it makes!

Anw I failed miserably at both eating and training well today, but I'll get right back on track

[tarmyg]

Hi psyBorg,

Found my blog entry where I went sort of Keto Extreme. Posting what I ate for 2 weeks here. One of the fun things I ate was: Cold Hamburger cut in half with 50g sliced butter in between. Butter and Cheese sandwich. Was fun as **** to try it.

Here is what I had:

Breakfast	Servings	Calories	Fat	Carbohydrate	Protein
Snack
Bacon (grams)	50.0	251.0	22.8	0.8	9.9
Eggs	3.0	231.0	15.9	1.8	18.9
Lunch
Protein shake (gram)	50.0	198.5	0.2	0.3	11.5
Snack
Dinner
Chicken (grams)	300.0	330.0	3.6	0.0	69.3
Butter (grams)	30.0	217.8	24.5	0.2	0.2
Snack
Chicken (grams)	300.0	330.0	3.6	0.0	69.3
Butter (grams)	40.0	290.4	32.6	0.2	0.2
Total		1,848.7	103.1	3.3	179.3	285.6	grams
Percentage			36.08%	1.14%	62.77%

Never did manage to get Carbs to Absolute Zero unfortunately :-)

Enjoy and Good Luck!
~T

[psyBorg]

Tarmyg!!! I love what you do

oh yes the weird stuff I ate when I went on keto last year. Like, unsalted butter rolled in smoked salmon and coffee with unsalted butter in it (which I'm still drinking).

Did you make that sheet yourself or is it a program?

[tarmyg]

Tarmyg!!! I love what you do

oh yes the weird stuff I ate when I went on keto last year. Like, unsalted butter rolled in smoked salmon and coffee with unsalted butter in it (which I'm still drinking).

Did you make that sheet yourself or is it a program?

Thank you!

Just using Google Docs, sort of anal about documenting stuff which I am sure I am not alone about on this site

~T

[Reiid13]

I am equally interested! Not that I am interested in bulking now but always like to see different approaches.

Yeah same , it makes a difference to see a new approach , but its also interesting to follow someone who seems to know what there doing in this new kind of maddness

lol I like ppl like you.

I was feeling really good tho, so I decided to train fasted,

Haha thanks ^^

Ive only really trained fasted a handfull of times , makes me feel good , cardio is good , but when I do weight training I suck when fasted makes me feel sick - especially abdomen

[psyBorg]

Ive only really trained fasted a handfull of times , makes me feel good , cardio is good , but when I do weight training I suck when fasted makes me feel sick - especially abdomen

Interesting.

you ever thought maybe you feel good when you run fasted because your glycogen is not as full as usual, making you use more fat(ketone bodies) for fuel, earlier? (lol sorry for always bringing everything back to fat)

There are not only anecdotal evidence, but actual studies that point out that brain cells love using ketones. For example, alzheimer patients who use MCT oil (yes, the same mct oil some bodybuilders drink before workouts to increase their performance) show significant recovery in memory and cognition. This is likely because in people with alzheimers, neurons have trouble using glucose for fuel, and since mct oil is a very quick source of ketone bodies, this alternative fuel prevents the neurons death.
What this means is, brain cells can be insulin resistant just like any other cells. That's why recently some doctors have been coining the term "type III diabetes" for alzheimers disease.
It would be no surprise then that providing ketones to the brain from time to time could indeed make some people feel good.

I also suspect the "marathon-high" every runner talk about is actually not only due to dopamine production, but also ketone production that kicks in when their glycogen is getting low. Surely dopamine and other hormones play a larger role, but I'm sure ketone production, or more generally, the catabolic state induced by running/lifting weight have something to do with improved health and cognition in those who exercise.

Geeky insight to take with a big grain of salt haha. By now you should know I got too much time on my hands

[tarmyg]

Interesting.

you ever thought maybe you feel good when you run fasted because your glycogen is not as full as usual, making you use more fat(ketone bodies) for fuel, earlier? (lol sorry for always bringing everything back to fat)

I do not think this is the case but it is an interesting idea. Much to short time for the body to switch and start using Fat for fuel. They ran a pretty good study on (Men only) doing fasted Cardio during Ramadan (Nothing like a bunch of religious fanatics sticking to protocol) and it showed no difference compared to people who ate before hand.

Thanks
~T

[GirlyGymRat]

Dusted. I glanced at weigh area and only one guy doing legs / 20 doing upper body. Hahahahaha. Thought of your post. Lol

[psyBorg]

^^Always. I go to a huge gym and there's only one squat rack because owners know nobody ever do legs.

[psyBorg]

^^aww my theory shall rest in peace
Thanks for the insight!

[Reiid13]

^^Always. I go to a huge gym and there's only one squat rack because owners know nobody ever do legs.

I love doing legs ! Nothing like trying to climb the stairs after a good leg workout !

[psyBorg]

^or even going DOWN the stairs for that matter.


Okay I made a macro tracker yesterday (was about time lol) so I don't have to calculate by hand anymore.
Yesterday: 2760 cal (I kinda compensated for the day before) 132p 17c 236f
Today: 2,582 cal 119p 18c 223f.

I ate 14 egg yolks today. It's hard to believe I was allergic to the stuff for 18 years of my life.. Keto is possible without dairy, but I don't know where I'd be at without egg yolks.

[GirlyGymRat]

I use myfitnesspal

[psyBorg]

wow I'm actally impressed by myfitnesspals extensive database. Last time I checked they didn't have arroy-d coconut milk.


OKAY FOLKS. Today officially marks one month of my lack of relationship with fiber (started 20/01/14).
Believe it or not, I had no GI issues at all during this one month, except when I increased my calories too quick. For now I cannot claim with confidence that the quick fat adaptation and overall success I experienced this time around on carb restriction is due to the exclusion of fiber from my diet. For that we'll see when I add some back after the bulking experiment.
As some of you might have already noticed, I eat around 18g carb/day now instead of 25. This is because the first few weeks into the diet I had night sweats sometimes and needed to "carb up" with a very small amount of honey before bed. As my body adapted, I no longer have trouble sleeping without carb. So I simply quit using honey, hence the reduced daily carb intake.
Health-wise, physical performance is great, and constant mental clarity&energy really helps before exams.
The one downside of nutritional ketosis that I share with other dieters is reduced visual acuity/blurred vision. This tends to happen when I look at things that are close to me(sheets of paper, screens) for too long, but otherwise I'm not affected.

~BULKING PROGRESS~:
the scale says 123.5lb.
My anterior delts are separate from lateral delts now! I couldn't really tell they were there before, so either they are pumped up or there is less fat over them, or both
My brother in law looked at my arms today and said he gotta go lift some weight, haha. ofc I took it as a compliment.

Things are going so well, too well even, that I shouldn't complain.
But after a month into this, my tastebuds start to reject anything sweet... 2 grams of carb in 125ml of coconut milk kinda makes me feel sick, like I can feel the sugar in my throat after drinking it.
I think I shouldn't be forcing myself to drink sugary things if my body is rejecting them; in my experience it always means something when that happens!
Soo if anyone have suggestions for a very low carb, low protein, high fat food that's minimally processed, please share!

Thanks everyone for following the log, lets keep it fun!

[psyBorg]

The delt thing I described above is only when I tense my arms. haha obviously, but just to be clear

Today : 2502cal, 130p, 14c, 209p.

[GirlyGymRat]

The delt thing I described above is only when I tense my arms. haha obviously, but just to be clear

Today : 2502cal, 130p, 14c, 209p.

Other then delts/arms r u noticing any gains elsewhere? 3.5 # in one month. Happy for u!!!

[tarmyg]

http://s771.photobucket.com/user/cav...8f8ee.mp4.html

Enjoy my creation!

~T

[psyBorg]

that's a lot of hot sauce
I prefer my meat barely cooked now, so I haven't bought any ground meat for a while, but I'll give your idea a shot just once for the hell of it.

[psyBorg]

Ty~
I'd say my chest are def bigger, and lats as well, can't say anything about quads for now.

And to be precise, 3.5lb in 3 weeks
I started the new routine 2 weeks ago, and I've been eating calorie surplus only since just before I started this thread.