Hcg

[The_Crawfish]

Anybody else have any issues getting insurance to cover hcg? My cost at Walgreens is $219, all of my other scripts are covered with a $10 copay. They say it's listed as a personal choice drug. Dr office is currently trying to see what they need to do to get it covered.

[2Sox]

Overseas pharmacies are the way to go. $20+ for 5000 iu vial.

[The_Crawfish]

Overseas pharmacies are the way to go. $20+ for 5000 iu vial.

I knew that was an option, but was trying to get it covered...oh well, I ordered 5 5000iu vials from "that place" for almost half what the pharmacy wanted for one.

[Score]

I reconstituted my 5,000iu vile of HCG with 3ML of bac water today and took my first injection.

Please review my plan.

5,000/3 = 1666.67
1666.67/10 = 166.67 (10 is the # of main lines on my 1ml syringes.
166.67 x 1.5 = 250

So I'm doing 1-1/2 of the first line on my 1ml syringes.

I took my 1st injection today after reading up thinking I would take 1 today, 1 tomorrow then inject my T Monday morning. I overlooked this protocol is for 1 injection of T per week I believe, I take twice weekly.

I would like to take HCG twice weekly, when would be best to do that and is my amount correct?

[BallSak]

I take my 2 hcg injections either the day before or day of my T injection. It doesn't really make much difference on a twice weekly protocol.

[ppwc1985]

I just read this in testosterone a mans guide and from what I gather study's have shown its best to do your hcg two days before test pin. I was doing Day before but changed to two before. Didn't really feel no difference, go figure.

[2Sox]

I just read this in testosterone a mans guide and from what I gather study's have shown its best to do your hcg two days before test pin. I was doing Day before but changed to two before. Didn't really feel no difference, go figure.

What you describe probably helps if you dose once per week. Many are now injecting twice per week and some more often than that. Then it really doesn't matter when you inject hCG. I inject hCG daily and T daily at a low dose. Love it.

[Rusty11]

I reconstituted my 5,000iu vile of HCG with 3ML of bac water today and took my first injection.

Please review my plan.

5,000/3 = 1666.67
1666.67/10 = 166.67 (10 is the # of main lines on my 1ml syringes.
166.67 x 1.5 = 250

So I'm doing 1-1/2 of the first line on my 1ml syringes.

I took my 1st injection today after reading up thinking I would take 1 today, 1 tomorrow then inject my T Monday morning. I overlooked this protocol is for 1 injection of T per week I believe, I take twice weekly.

I would like to take HCG twice weekly, when would be best to do that and is my amount correct?

Yes. Your math and dosing is correct. Check out the hCG sticky at the top of the trt page. It has some injection protocols. Sorry, but I can't link you to it.

[Score]

Yes. Your math and dosing is correct. Check out the hCG sticky at the top of the trt page. It has some injection protocols. Sorry, but I can't link you to it.

Thank you!! My math was my biggest concern : )..

I was happy to squeeze 3ml into the vial (though the math got trickier), if I stopped at 2 I would have been wasting (in neck of needle) as much as I was injecting.

[noteven]

That is the most beautiful ass I have ever seen! Referring to KelKel's Avatar!

[ebstein]

Seeing how HCG will raise your T, do you have to adjust your dosage?

[2Sox]

Seeing how HCG will raise your T, do you have to adjust your dosage?

You may or may not. Each individual is different. See how your BW goes.

[theheat]

Anybody else have any issues getting insurance to cover hcg? My cost at Walgreens is $219, all of my other scripts are covered with a $10 copay. They say it's listed as a personal choice drug. Dr office is currently trying to see what they need to do to get it covered.

$219? I pay just about $300 for a 10,000 IU vial, never mind the cost of my BW and office visits. I spent over $3k in 4 months just to raise my bioavailable T from 130 to 140...and I still feel like crap.

[The_Crawfish]

$219? I pay just about $300 for a 10,000 IU vial, never mind the cost of my BW and office visits. I spent over $3k in 4 months just to raise my bioavailable T from 130 to 140...and I still feel like crap.

you win...pretty sure I would've made a visit to lowt dot com by now.

[Score]

Mixed the HCG with the t this morning and it went to total hell quickly. The HCG did not stay on the bottom as I had hoped, it spread throughout the t and I ended up getting an air bubble trapped in the syringe.

I through the entire syringe in the fridge to mess with at a later date and doses separately.

I fear I wasted a couple doses

[Score]

Read a few threads on another forum and was surprised to learn they are totally against HCG due to the rise in estrogen it causes and long term sides. They state you will need an AI with HCG.

Can anyone explain how it affects estrogen levels?

[2Sox]

Read a few threads on another forum and was surprised to learn they are totally against HCG due to the rise in estrogen it causes and long term sides. They state you will need an AI with HCG.

Can anyone explain how it affects estrogen levels?

I've read those posts too. Higher E2 with hCG is a tradeoff, as I see it. The benefits FAR outweigh the costs, IMO. It's my understanding, what you want to avoid is a spike in your T level which has the aromatase enzyme rush to convert T to E2. (For those more knowledgeable, please correct me if I'm wrong.)

This is precisely why many on this forum advocate frequent, low dosing of both T and hCG. From what I understand, Dr. John Crisler advocates this as well.

Re: You post above about the "mess" in your syringe. You didn't have a mess at all and nothing will go to waste. There is no need to keep the T and hCG separate. They're both going into your body so it doesn't matter how you get it there and where you inject. And it's a GOOD thing that you have an air bubble inside. Tap the barrel a few times with your finger to drive the bubble up and then inject. The air will force all the injectables in without any waste. I always pull air into the syringe before I inject for this very purpose.

Regarding long term side effects of hCG: I never heard of any. Let us know about those posts regarding this.

[Score]

I've read those posts too. Higher E2 with hCG is a tradeoff, as I see it. The benefits FAR outweigh the costs, IMO. It's my understanding, what you want to avoid is a spike in your T level which has the aromatase enzyme rush to convert T to E2. (For those more knowledgeable, please correct me if I'm wrong.) This is precisely why many on this forum advocate frequent, low dosing of both T and hCG. From what I understand, Dr. John Crisler advocates this as well. Re: You post above about the "mess" in your syringe. You didn't have a mess at all and nothing will go to waste. There is no need to keep the T and hCG separate. They're both going into your body so it doesn't matter how you get it there and where you inject. And it's a GOOD thing that you have an air bubble inside. Tap the barrel a few times with your finger to drive the bubble up and then inject. The air will force all the injectables in without any waste. I always pull air into the syringe before I inject for this very purpose. Regarding long term side effects of hCG: I never heard of any. Let us know about those posts regarding this.

I was finally smart enough to do the math and see that what I thought was a bubble was in fact HCG. It's very clear and fooled me.

I don't inject perpendicular with the earth so I've yet to keep a bubble at the plunger side successfully.

[2Sox]

I was finally smart enough to do the math and see that what I thought was a bubble was in fact HCG. It's very clear and fooled me.

I don't inject perpendicular with the earth so I've yet to keep a bubble at the plunger side successfully.

Absolutely perpendicular is not necessary. You'll see that as long as the bubble is behind everything (at a diagonal is okay), you're GTG. Meanwhile I think all this might be overthinking the whole thing. Bubble or no bubble, you'll essentially get the dose you'll need. Measurement as a rule is always inexact. That's a principle in science.

[Score]

Just had a freak out moment, it's okay to inject HCG via IM right?

[BallSak]

Yes.

[The_Crawfish]

Says on the box for im or subq

[Score]

10-4, thanks for the reassurance! Reading a lot and it was all speaking in regards to Subq.

Also seeing a lot of conflicting stuff regarding dosing. No more than 500iu per week says Crisler yet many are doing 250iu 3x per week.

I'm doing 250 2x per with with t injections, on week 3 now and truly can't feel any difference.

If I'm using HCH from overseas do I need to up the dose like you would with t from a ugl?

[Score]

Bump

[BallSak]

No need to overdose it. The only thing I feel from hcg is better quality orgasms. But the fact it is an LH analog makes it important as I believe it keeps things more balanced.

[2Sox]

10-4, thanks for the reassurance! Reading a lot and it was all speaking in regards to Subq.

Also seeing a lot of conflicting stuff regarding dosing. No more than 500iu per week says Crisler yet many are doing 250iu 3x per week.

I'm doing 250 2x per with with t injections, on week 3 now and truly can't feel any difference.

If I'm using HCH from overseas do I need to up the dose like you would with t from a ugl?

If you are purchasing hCG from overseas and have any doubt about it - DON'T USE IT. For what it's worth, the FDA does inspections of Indian pharmacies that American companies purchase from and you can find out easily online which ones are no good. Look at the reviews. For example, I will not purchase Tadalifil from Ranbaxy pharma. The stuff is under dosed. To me their 20mg feels like 10mg. They have had trouble with the FDA.

And what you say about Crisler's recommendations is incorrect. From what I remember, he says more than 500iu PER DAY - long term - is not recommended. I take 700iu (100iu/day) per week with great results.

Look at the vial you have and what you see is what you get. That has been my experience. If you are dissatisfied with any product from a reputable overseas supplier, they will give a refund when you return the unused product. Simple. If they give you a hard time, you don't buy from them again. Plenty others out there and they are well aware of that. Your business and recommendation is worth gold to a good supplier.

Many here know I always recommend a particular overseas supplier because their stuff is legit and their customer service is top of the line.

[Score]

I have followed you recommendation 2sox so I'm sure it's legit. Due to my misreading I'm likely under dosing, thanks for catching that and your patience with me.

[Score]

No need to overdose it. The only thing I feel from hcg is better quality orgasms. But the fact it is an LH analog makes it important as I believe it keeps things more balanced.

Thanks!

[ebstein]

10-4, thanks for the reassurance! Reading a lot and it was all speaking in regards to Subq.

Also seeing a lot of conflicting stuff regarding dosing. No more than 500iu per week says Crisler yet many are doing 250iu 3x per week.

I'm doing 250 2x per with with t injections, on week 3 now and truly can't feel any difference.

If I'm using HCH from overseas do I need to up the dose like you would with t from a ugl?

Any different at 4 weeks?

[Score]

Any different at 4 weeks?

I have noticed some of the benefits! I have some reversed atrophy, more volume, and better orgasms.

Main thing I think I feel is a slight bridge between shots. I inject both t and HCG together on Sundays and wednesdays, I inject 250iu of HCG alone on Fridays and I feel it helps keep my energy and labido high through the weekend. Now I'm totally aware this may be a placebo effect but regardless it's working for now.

More kids are a possibility for me still so that Also helps me in regards to my choice to spend the money on HCG.

Thanks for asking

[The_Crawfish]

Anybody get headaches while on HCG?? I started about 3 weeks ago now with my protocol (250iu w/ my test every 3.5days), and it seems since then I've been getting headaches off and on, more on than off. I almost never got them before, and HCG is the only thing that's recently changed.

[2Sox]

Never. Sometimes I get headaches when I work my traps to hard. Change anything in your workout routine?

You can see this with some humor: Keep taking hCG to prevent your nuts from shrinking and to feel good. Start taking Tylenol for your headaches.

[The_Crawfish]

No change in the routine. I'll just nut up on the headaches, not planning on giving up on the HCG. Anxious to see the BW in a few more weeks...reckon 6 weeks would be a good time to see the change??

[ebstein]

How's the HCG going Score?
Any blood draws since starting?